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The DNA is one small part of a much wider problem, while there has been a small victory for these men on the dna records kept it doesn't address the records which will be kept till their 100th birthday of the original incident.

It's rather depressing to read the following link

http://gizmonaut.net/bits/suspect.html

but perhaps not anywhere near as bad as

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/3548795/Jean-Charles-de-Menezes-inquest-Family-protest-as-jury-sent-out-to-consider-verdict.html

"Sir Michael Wright, the coroner, has already withdrawn from the jury the option of a verdict of unlawful killing. The 11 jurors will consider two outcomes: either that Mr de Menezes was lawfully killed or an open verdict. "

Is it better in your country?

A lot of people are complaining about this law. Why do you hate our country so much? Why do you want to make things easy for scumbag terrorists who want to kill us all in our beds or on our world class public transport?

There will be checks and balances in place for this to make sure that the police do not abuse these powers and that no innocent people suffer from the outcomes. I mean, lets be honest here - why would you want to WALK on a cycle path? (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article579334.ece) That's just dodgy!

As for the bloke who kept all of his belongings close to him on the tube, he did look a little odd and he had far too much techy stuff on him. (http://gizmonaut.net/bits/suspect.html).

The 82 year old who got arrested under the terrorism act at the labour conference (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4293502.stm) was a known trouble maker having already evaded one lawful regime's attempts to bring him to justice under their current laws back in the 40's, so he probably deserved what happened.

And the bloke who recently spent 6 days in a cell (http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/news/story/0,,2282045,00.html) for trying to print a document freely available on the Internet should have known better - why do you REALLY need to print stuff these days?
That's killing trees, that is, and deserves this kind of punishment!

In all of the above cases, these people were set free. And it's not like just being arrested can fuck up your life or anything. Or end up with your DNA on file for life. And I'm sure that most of the MPs voting for this bill know what it's like to spend a night or 6 in prison, so they'd never do that to an innocent person, knowing how badly you can come out of that experience.

We actually NAILED on terroristwith this law already - that uppity bitch won't go writing any more bad poetry in the near future, now will she!?

I mean, you have to understand that in a post 9/11 world, things are _different_ now. Al Kayeeda is really really really scary! Ok, sure, there have been fewer attacks than during the IRA years, but that's not the point here! We need this law so that... uhm...

Hang on a sec... This is the UK right, not Iran? Fuck :(

"Not unless you had showed some sign of intent."

In the UK these days, "some sign of intent" (at least enough to get arrested for terrorism) involves:

a) Not looking at police officers:

"I went into the station without looking at the police officers at the entrance or by the gates" - from http://gizmonaut.net/bits/suspect.html)

or

b) Looking at police officers:

"On Michael's stop and search form they said they wanted to speak to him, under the Terrorism Act, because he had been looking at a police officer" - from http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/latestnews/display.var.1717690.0.seized_by_the_police.php

So that pretty much covers it...

Look at what happened to David Mery. (http://gizmonaut.net/bits/suspect.html)

The government were pushing the 90-day detention-without-charge limit with the supposed safeguard that a judge would have to approve their continued detention every seven days.

You can bet that when the barrister for the police service shows up at court, that he will claim to have sensitive intelligence which he is not allowed to share with the detainee's legal team. Whether he is permitted to share this with the judge is another matter, but if the detainee cannot challenge the material, it remains a one-sided fight. Unless therefore the judge exhibits the same degree of independent thinking as our MPs thankfully exhibited this week, there is unlikely to be any effective oversight of the continued detention.

As SteveAyre pointed out above, this story and the unlucky detainee's continued account (which makes for frightening reading) show that the police and government in the UK just will not admit that they are wrong. I cannot foresee them rushing to release anyone, even if they were as obviously innocent as a newborn child. I can, however, foresee them ruining an individual's life and then refusing to admit that they were wrong. There are plenty of examples of entrenchment by the establishment in the face of obvious wrongdoing: Gulf War Syndrome, Iraq WMD and Deepcut are some that come to mind.

That then the Sun ran a headline screaming "Traitors" which denounced the MPs which held true to our liberal traditions, is nothing short of scandallous. That same newspaper's editor was arrested last week for assaulting her husband and held for nine hours and it was not even mentioned. I would have loved it dearly if that woman was subjected to the type of media harrassment that she dishes out on a daily basis.

Tony Blair almost lost his rag in the House of Commons on Wednesday when he was heckled that Britain was developing into a "Police State". Unfortunately, I believe that this is where we are inevitably headed.

I bet this guy is also glad the period wasn't 90 days when he was picked up. (Short synopsis - (this was probably reported here before) the guy was picked up by UK police under anti-terror legislation because he a) didn't look at the police officers outside the station b) checked his mobile for messages and c) had a rucsac which he kept on his back).
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I'm not politically incorrect, I'm just differently articulate

You'd have hoped so, huh? http://gizmonaut.net/bits/suspect.html

Well...

Here he is wearing sunglasses at an anti-war protest in 2001.

And here he is again at the same protest.

Here he is with the past editors of .EXE magazine

and here he is weilding a very large knife in an obviously threatening manner.

Does he look dangerous enough to stop? You be the judge.

Well...

Here he is wearing sunglasses at an anti-war protest in 2001.

And here he is again at the same protest.

Here he is with the past editors of .EXE magazine

and here he is weilding a very large knife in an obviously threatening manner.

Does he look dangerous enough to stop? You be the judge.

Well...

Here he is wearing sunglasses at an anti-war protest in 2001.

And here he is again at the same protest.

Here he is with the past editors of .EXE magazine

and here he is weilding a very large knife in an obviously threatening manner.

Does he look dangerous enough to stop? You be the judge.

Well...

Here he is wearing sunglasses at an anti-war protest in 2001.

And here he is again at the same protest.

Here he is with the past editors of .EXE magazine

and here he is weilding a very large knife in an obviously threatening manner.

Does he look dangerous enough to stop? You be the judge.

I think this analysis from David Mery's site is more likely:
http://gizmonaut.net/bits/profiling.html

after July 7th a particular profile was given to the police of which many geeks would likely fit:
- looks down a lot and fidgets
- pulls religious looking paper (wikipedia logo perhaps) from pockets and maybe mumbles or moves lips while reading
- wears a lot of black .. maybe tries to hide [figure] in clothing
- carries a lot of stuff in backpack
- is pre-occupied with gadgets

we already know that bobbies aren't the brightest (erm .. i was relieving myself in the bushes when the suspect emerged from somewhere close to the house we were monitoring) .. so the real problem seems to lie with the notion that profiling as a technique does more good than harm. Just like pattern matching, or virus scanning all you'll really succeed in stopping is the equally mindless copy-cats for a while until the extra cost or burden of doing the profiling along with the negative societal effect is exposed.

This is also published on the victim's website. Also on there is a description of the suicide bomber profile the police use - which many geeks will also fit.

This is also published on the victim's website. Also on there is a description of the suicide bomber profile the police use - which many geeks will also fit.