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I'd like to see a clause that says Microsoft may not make a splitt :)
I don't care about everyone else. But what if FreeBSD had all the Open
Source community support. Then after it took over the market as the
dominate OS, Microsoft comes along, takes it and adds hundreds of
developers to it to make a WindowsOS/X. Suddenly, everyone says, "Wow,
Unix with Microsoft backing it!" and we are back to square one.
Granted, tech people like us would not pay for it when we have the
normal BSD version, but it'd still bother me. On the bright side, we
would have the same API so all the apps would be compatible for a
while. That is until they add their new API and suddenly the orginal
OS can't run the new games that use this new API. I'd love to hear a
counter arguement but I think that's how it would turn out. If corel
or someone had it, they'd make an OS that would continue to have open
standards. The first thing micros~1 will do is turn it into a
propritary OS
so that you have to have it to run the apps.


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I had 2 semesters of data structures. I had a semester of software engineering and programing language theory. I thought language theory would be a joke but after you can see how they are implemented it really helps in picking the right tool for the right job.

As the comment above yours that delt with college making good programmers worse, that is completely not true. I went into college programming with GW basic and using gotos in the most reckless code you'll ever see. Looking back, I don't see how I understood it. There wasn't even a single comment.

My first semester of college got me away from bad habits such as the before mentioned GOTO, GLOBAL variables, lack of comments, etc

Also, we started with C++ so only our first semester was procedural programming. After that, we went strait into structs(not OO but needed for intro), pointers, classes, encapsulation, polymorphism, overriding inherited functions, overloading opperators, templates, linked lists, binary trees, AVL trees, Red Black Trees, 2-3 trees, B trees, heaps, stacks, queues, circular linked lists, doubley linked lists, recursion,
big O computations.

That was just data structures, we then hit software engineering where we went through 3 different paradigms for development. It's amazing how many times you want to change you design. I'm so glad I don't rush in and start writting code the second I want to make something. I used to do that and would spend hours re-writting it after my revelation in the middle of the night.

Sure, I learn a lot from reading books and practice makes perfect of course....
But I AGREE totally. I would not trade my B.S.
in Computer Science for anything. Plus, college was just plain fun. The experience was so well worth it.


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I do not need anything further.

I'm sick of all this cert stuff anyway.

If you can do it; do it. If not, buy a book, read it, then code until you get decent at it.

Let your skills speak for themselves.

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I need a good wav to mp3 encoder & a program to record wav as it comes in via line-in on the soundcard.

I don't think SOX can do that can it?



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I am about to invest. What is the best card to get?
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I'm going to try and learn Dvorak. My wrists ache all the time. It's annoying. Especially when I notice that my hands are moving all over this keyboard for no reason.

How long did it take ya to switch? I figure if I learn 3 keys a day I'll have it pretty quick. I just hope I don't mix em up. I'm sure I will as I go form computer to computer all the time.

Unforutnately, we can't change em all. I guess it's going to end up like the metric system.


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I hate the Motif look and feel. Let me know if they ever get theme support.

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I've been debating this issue a lot myself. I like the LGPL of GTK. I also like the fact that it will probably become the standard toolkit for unix if it is not already. However, I adore OO programming even more. So I want a true C++ OO toolkit. I don't want a wrapper that lets you do 'some' C++ while eliminating templates, overloading, overriding, etc

I've looked on LinuxBerg and found FOX. It looks like pure C++. That is cool since you don't have to deal with a pre processor like in QT. However, it isn't a standard and therefore the learning curve will be harder without having a large support group.

Another user here pointed out FLTK to me. It also looks nice. However, it isn't finished yet and seems to also lack a large audience.

So, I decided to 'get over' the preprocessor issue and use QT. Maybe Harmony will be completely finished some day :)

I'd love some feedback if anyone has any suggestings or critisim even :-)
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Trying to do to much for me hinders me more than not doing anything at all. I spend no telling how much time trying to get lines on a columned page to line up on the horizontal axis. This is true of lining up rows on a vertical axis as well. As you said, you have to convince it that "I meant to indent where I said to indent."
Granted, those features could be good. If you knew that someone either didn't know what they were doing or had some disability to where it would save them work... it'd be practical.

But they need to have a check box for "We already know what you want so were going to do it for you"

If that could be turned off, it'd be a lot better.
I personally like the Linux office suits I've tried. I don't care for StarOffice's personal start menu. I think that is overkill. But the apps themselves are ok. WordPerfect 8 is nice.
It seems a lot less bloated than StarOffice's Word. I've not tried Applixware but the Motif look just frightens me :) Finally, I'd like to try Koffice but I've yet to get around to it.

Opinions?


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The way M$ doc referes to client/server is the internals of the OS. For instance, the posix layer would pass infomation to the kernel layer.

In this case, posix is client and kernel is server.

Sorry, I forgot to specify before.
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This summer I worked with some MCSEs. They think NT is the greatest thing in the world. When I told them about Linux and critized NT they gave me a book to read. The whole thing was written such that anyone who had not used it would sell their soul to it. It gave the whole background of how Microsoft hired the guys from Digital that made VAX. They had OS experience before so they could learn from their mistakes and make a new OS from the ground up. They talked about the client server based approach and how the kernel follows this design.. blah blah. And of course, they use the scallable, reliable, portable 'It runs on alpha ;)', buzzwords. In fact, those buzzwords are a lot of the NT cert exam. But to get back to the point, they believe it all. "98 is a peice of crap but not NT, here.. read this and you'll see" It's really really sad but sooooo very true.

I do wish all Linuk was mkLinux though. I think the microkernel design is a cool way to do it even if having everything pipelined is a bit faster.


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When I worked in an NT shop this summer, those MSCEs thought NT was the best thing since sliced bread. They laughed and couldn't believe it when I formatted my drive and installed Linux. They would believe this FUD without ever questing it.

That is unless some mainstream mags like PC Week published a counter explaining it was bogus. I don't think they have...

Anyone know?
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I am one user and I have ran Linux since 94 on at least 5 different machines. Now, figure how many users there are world wide. Now, figure how many machines each of these users have ran Linux on. Now, figure the 212% this last year and the exponential growth that will surely continue.

How many tests are we too now? Go figure :)
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They are releasing Windows last. That juts makes my day :-)
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But this is where a lot of folks will start to look into FreeBSD. It has the gains of Linux without the constrictions of the GPL. I personally hate that because I am afraid that a lot of companies won't give back after they take.

However, IBM has proven faithful so far with apatche.
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I saw that before on tucows (LinuxBerg)

http://charter.linuxberg.com/x11html/dev_librari es.html

There seem to be a lot of cool toolkits such as one called FOX. The problem with these are that I've not seen them before and suspect that no one uses them. If I can get a program that uses the libs I already have on my system, I tend to do so. In all honesty, that is why I was leaning toward GTK-- or QT. Well, and themes are cool.

I'd like to hear any opinion on the toolkits/libs that are listed in this link.

I am going to read up on that fltk btw.
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I agree with some of what you say but wanted to ask slashdot readers in general about addressing some of them. First, I agree that java is soooo completely slow. I started writting a ICQ clone in it for a learning hobby. So far, the writting the code has been a breeze. Yet, it is really too slow to enjoy. I would love to use QT. I figure by the time I need to write commercial apps that Harmony will be finished. So the license is not a problem for me. If I could ever write anything that would be big enough to sell, I'd buy a license so don't go there :) Anyway, I have read their tutorials but I cannot find enough doc to get the ball rolling. For instance, the SLOT() stuff. Other than the examples in the tutorials, I cannot find anything. Do you know of a good source for learning such things? My language of choice is C++ and I looked into GTK--, but it looked like a horrible wrapper. Java will still be my choice for web interfaces (obviously) but for normal (everyday) apps, it just isn't cutting it. I've got the QT book on order but I dont' want to wait. Help anyone?
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Yes, I had this similar discussion not long ago with reguard to Emacs. It seems to be a web brouser, e-mail client, news reader, word processing, programmer's editor, that adds up to about 12Megs I think?

I'm not trying to start the "VI" vs "Emacs" war up, so please don't flame. But what are you opinions on all these features in a single app?

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I can't believe anyone would publish this book.
This author needs to be educated.
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This is the first version of Mozilla I have actually tried. I'm impressed. It is quite stable and fast considering it has soooo much bebug code in it. Good work guys!


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FreeBSD (most x86 optimized)
NetBSD (most portable)
OpenBSD (most secure)

http://www.bsd.org

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> Why do we have to end up anywhere? And if we
> can't simply be destroyed, an omnipotent god
> could certainly make something besides Heaven or
> Hell, couldn't he?

Sure, he could. But then why? Reward those who obey him, punish those who don't...makes sense to me.

> As I said before, I'm not sure anyone, however
> evil, deserves Hell.

Your definition of evil is different from what God sees as evil. To Him, it is totally unbearable. Think of something totally unbearable to you. That's what God thinks when somebody sins--any sin.

> Perfect => sinless, right? The Bible records a
> couple places where Jesus sinned - Luke (?)
> records an instance where as a child he wandered
> off at church, and when his parents came back
> looking for him, he gave a smart-alek responce.

The child you're referring to was actually Jesus, who went to the temple because it was where he could be with God. His exact response was, "Didn't you know I had to be in my Father's house?" This isn't a "smart-alek" response, imho. It was neither sarcastic nor in contempt of his parents. You can find this passage in the second chapter of Luke if you want to see for yourself

> He is also recorded as having told his disciples
> to take (i.e. steal) a donkey.

He didn't steal the donkey. If you're referring to the beginning of Matthew 21 then you'll see that there is nothing that said the disciples stole the donkey. The disciples could've asked permissions, or not. It just doesn't say.

> I hate to say this, but I'm in this just to kill
> time and becuase I enjoy taking part in
> religious arguments.

Hey, I'm in this for the "debate" factor too. Don't worry, I'm not here to convert you. Just inform you to make more accurate judgements about what christianity really is. As long as you don't take it personally, then I won't either.

Cheers,

<tim><

> Why do we have to end up anywhere? And if we
> can't simply be destroyed, an omnipotent god
> could certainly make something besides Heaven or
> Hell, couldn't he?

Sure, he could. But then why? Reward those who obey him, punish those who don't...makes sense to me.

> As I said before, I'm not sure anyone, however
> evil, deserves Hell.

Your definition of evil is different from what God sees as evil. To Him, it is totally unbearable. Think of something totally unbearable to you. That's what God thinks when somebody sins--any sin.

> Perfect => sinless, right? The Bible records a
> couple places where Jesus sinned - Luke (?)
> records an instance where as a child he wandered
> off at church, and when his parents came back
> looking for him, he gave a smart-alek responce.

The child you're referring to was actually Jesus, who went to the temple because it was where he could be with God. His exact response was, "Didn't you know I had to be in my Father's house?" This isn't a "smart-alek" response, imho. It was neither sarcastic nor in contempt of his parents. You can find this passage in the second chapter of Luke if you want to see for yourself

> He is also recorded as having told his disciples
> to take (i.e. steal) a donkey.

He didn't steal the donkey. If you're referring to the beginning of Matthew 21 then you'll see that there is nothing that said the disciples stole the donkey. The disciples could've asked permissions, or not. It just doesn't say.

> I hate to say this, but I'm in this just to kill
> time and becuase I enjoy taking part in
> religious arguments.

Hey, I'm in this for the "debate" factor too. Don't worry, I'm not here to convert you. Just inform you to make more accurate judgements about what christianity really is. As long as you don't take it personally, then I won't either.

Cheers,

<tim><