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OpenOffice.org in the cloud?
Ballmer seems to be hinted about OpenOffice.org entering the cloud with GravityZoo.
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Reaction from GravityZoo
GravityZoo just posted a reaction on their blog regarding the OOo porting project.
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Re:people hate web appsGravityZoo is not about web apps [GZF_techoverview_2_1_rc2.pdf]. There are many ways to start applications, even from a webpage. "4.1. Web applications Web applications are essentially interactive web sites, supposed to implement the functionality of applications. Some early examples of web applications are ecommerce applications and web mail applications (think of Hotmail and more recently Gmail).The advantages of bringing applications to the Web are plenty: Web applications don't need to be installed on the computers. Users only need a compatible Web browser to use the application, there is usually no need to install extra software for a specific application. The Web application can easily be shared over the Internet, so it can be available worldwide at relatively low costs. However, there are also quite some limitations. Limitations, which have prevented the transformation of many of the most-commonly used productivity applications (like common Office Applications). What are these limitations?: web applications use a client-pull technology. The server-side can only wait for a request. Tools like JavaScript can ease the pain, but don't solve the deficiency entirely.Remark: the huge amount of Java Scripting is very tedious, time consuming and often exposes vital business logic to the client. web applications cannot act out of the context of the browser. This of course is a security measure, but at the same time a mayor limitation rendering web applications unsuiteable for direct communication with most peripherals of the common computer. web applications only support a small subset of commonly used user-interface functionality. Many advanced features are either not available or are nonrealizable."
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Re:people hate web appsGravityZoo is not about web apps [GZF_techoverview_2_1_rc2.pdf]. There are many ways to start applications, even from a webpage. "4.1. Web applications Web applications are essentially interactive web sites, supposed to implement the functionality of applications. Some early examples of web applications are ecommerce applications and web mail applications (think of Hotmail and more recently Gmail).The advantages of bringing applications to the Web are plenty: Web applications don't need to be installed on the computers. Users only need a compatible Web browser to use the application, there is usually no need to install extra software for a specific application. The Web application can easily be shared over the Internet, so it can be available worldwide at relatively low costs. However, there are also quite some limitations. Limitations, which have prevented the transformation of many of the most-commonly used productivity applications (like common Office Applications). What are these limitations?: web applications use a client-pull technology. The server-side can only wait for a request. Tools like JavaScript can ease the pain, but don't solve the deficiency entirely.Remark: the huge amount of Java Scripting is very tedious, time consuming and often exposes vital business logic to the client. web applications cannot act out of the context of the browser. This of course is a security measure, but at the same time a mayor limitation rendering web applications unsuiteable for direct communication with most peripherals of the common computer. web applications only support a small subset of commonly used user-interface functionality. Many advanced features are either not available or are nonrealizable."
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The market is there, how about the players?
There is absolutely a big market for this. That is what 37signals and Google, among others, are proving with their web apps.
The benefits of web office apps are many and great. I do not intend to discuss them here, since it is too long a topic. For instance, the same site links to a very interesting article on the subject.
What is holding this evolution of the systems right now are the genuine security and confidentiality concerns from managers and sysadmins. As many stated, most companies will not trust their data to servers that leave a minimum possibility for security breaches. That is what makes Google Apps (and the likes) not a viable option for many.
I do not yet clearly understand the goals of this project, but I hope they intend to make the resulting applications open source, and easy to install.
One project with that goal in mind is OpenGoo, with which I am involved. What the project intends is to form a community from existing open source project members to leverage their work in the pursuit of this ambitious goal that we believe can not be achieved by one single OS project alone.
Please contact me if you want to get involved or have any ideas or suggestions for the project.
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Licensing Unclear
As per "Open Source" at the GravityZoo website, [...]"this requires the involvement of a global community of Information Analysts, IT architects and Engineers from both the Open Source and Commercial environment. Open Source because to achieve an egalitarian development of tomorrow's information society requires the free flow of Data Information and Intelligence to those in need. Commercial because certain developments require upfront investments and thus risktaking, a step the Open Source community is not always willing or capable to take. In the latter case the risktaking should be rewarded by limiting the access on a for Pay basis.
It is therefore that The GravityZoo Company from day one decide to implement a Dual Licensing model.
More information about our Open Source projects and activities will be available at this page soon."Until they clarify their licensing, I refuse to be interested, let alone excited.
There is also so far only a Windows client. They don't even have a beta for other platforms. So I'm not interested in that way, also.
Also: if it requires a special client, it is not (repeat not) a web-based app. I don't fucking care how it's delivered. The web is browsed with a web browser - see how that works?
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Licensing Unclear
As per "Open Source" at the GravityZoo website, [...]"this requires the involvement of a global community of Information Analysts, IT architects and Engineers from both the Open Source and Commercial environment. Open Source because to achieve an egalitarian development of tomorrow's information society requires the free flow of Data Information and Intelligence to those in need. Commercial because certain developments require upfront investments and thus risktaking, a step the Open Source community is not always willing or capable to take. In the latter case the risktaking should be rewarded by limiting the access on a for Pay basis.
It is therefore that The GravityZoo Company from day one decide to implement a Dual Licensing model.
More information about our Open Source projects and activities will be available at this page soon."Until they clarify their licensing, I refuse to be interested, let alone excited.
There is also so far only a Windows client. They don't even have a beta for other platforms. So I'm not interested in that way, also.
Also: if it requires a special client, it is not (repeat not) a web-based app. I don't fucking care how it's delivered. The web is browsed with a web browser - see how that works?
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ick sp!
These guys seem cool and all, but dude, get a proofreader
"distributing Data, Information and Intelligence. A development that should not be dependent upon the whimp of a few very affluant and powerfull entities."
http://www.gravityzoo.com/developers/openSource.py -
Re:The future is in the Stack
What you actually are looking for is something like this:
http://www.gravityzoo.com/support/TheGravityZooFra mework_1_12.pdf
A back-to-frontend solution which fixes both your UI problems, but also the state problems arising from such a rich UI.