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Also I have no idea what he's talking about with Aerosols. Since that's largely constant.
http://greyfalcon.net/lean2005.png
http://greyfalcon.net/volcanic

Granted, SULFUR content in those aerosols has an influence. However if anything developed countries have drastically been cutting back on sulfur emissions. (5000ppm used to be the standard. Now it's down to less than 15ppm. Some places down to 5ppm in diesel)
http://greyfalcon.net/forcing.png

However then again, unmitigated air pollution also produces large quantities of O3 and NO3.

Also I'd have to check, but I'm pretty sure sulfur molecules don't last very long in the troposphere.

Where as the CO2 and NO3 produced in parallel lasts for a long time.

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In a strange way, Chinese coal plants are actually keeping the climate cooler than it otherwise would be.

Also I have no idea what he's talking about with Aerosols. Since that's largely constant.
http://greyfalcon.net/lean2005.png
http://greyfalcon.net/volcanic

Granted, SULFUR content in those aerosols has an influence. However if anything developed countries have drastically been cutting back on sulfur emissions. (5000ppm used to be the standard. Now it's down to less than 15ppm. Some places down to 5ppm in diesel)
http://greyfalcon.net/forcing.png

However then again, unmitigated air pollution also produces large quantities of O3 and NO3.

Also I'd have to check, but I'm pretty sure sulfur molecules don't last very long in the troposphere.

Where as the CO2 and NO3 produced in parallel lasts for a long time.

__

In a strange way, Chinese coal plants are actually keeping the climate cooler than it otherwise would be.

Also I have no idea what he's talking about with Aerosols. Since that's largely constant.
http://greyfalcon.net/lean2005.png
http://greyfalcon.net/volcanic

Granted, SULFUR content in those aerosols has an influence. However if anything developed countries have drastically been cutting back on sulfur emissions. (5000ppm used to be the standard. Now it's down to less than 15ppm. Some places down to 5ppm in diesel)
http://greyfalcon.net/forcing.png

However then again, unmitigated air pollution also produces large quantities of O3 and NO3.

Also I'd have to check, but I'm pretty sure sulfur molecules don't last very long in the troposphere.

Where as the CO2 and NO3 produced in parallel lasts for a long time.

__

In a strange way, Chinese coal plants are actually keeping the climate cooler than it otherwise would be.

Well also it's just a difference in sheer volume.
http://greyfalcon.net/forcing3.png

However methane is the big scary beast to look out for. But indirectly.

Main reason you have people with their hair on fire over all this isn't the gradual increase in temperature because of manmade actions.

It's because that has the potential to trigger the release of massive natural stockpiles of methane. Which would cause more warming. Then more methane stockpiles. Into a positive feedback death spiral.

In that way, you could look at CO2 as the fuse for a "Methane Bomb".
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=methane+bomb

Strange how all those temperature records, despite very slight variations, are all in agreement.
http://greyfalcon.net/forcing2.png

Almost as if there was only 1 version of reality. (Or some worldwide CONSPIRACY!!!1)
http://greyfalcon.net/ideology.png

Strange how all those temperature records, despite very slight variations, are all in agreement.
http://greyfalcon.net/forcing2.png

Almost as if there was only 1 version of reality. (Or some worldwide CONSPIRACY!!!1)
http://greyfalcon.net/ideology.png

How much data would you prefer?
How about a couple billion years?

Although at that range, everything besides CO2 and changes in Orbit don't matter.

http://greyfalcon.net/climate2

Actually
Both Climate Change and Global Warming are unique terms that have specific meanings.

To put it simply:
Cause: Global Warming
Effect: Climate Change
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/climate_by_any_other_name.html

If anything, we should be talking about Global Warming more.
Because it's amazingly simple when you boil it down to it's bare constuients.

**"Is it the sun?"** Sometimes but definently not for the past half century.
http://greyfalcon.net/solar0.png

**"Are we certain that less and less infrared radiation is exiting out into space, almost entirely in the wavelength we'd expect CO2 and CH4 to block?"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/greenhouse

**Is the rate of warming significant?**
Yeah, I'd say 100x faster than you'd expect from changes in earth's orbit alone is significant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bftcWQiZPPg
http://www.skepticalscience.com/How-to-explain-Milankovitch-cycles-to-a-hostile-Congressman-in-30-seconds.html
http://greyfalcon.net/climate2
(^^ I need a better source for this comment)

**"Do we know that the CO2 is from fossil fuels. i.e. "Manmade CO2"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon3
http://greyfalcon.net/c14
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon2

DONE. That's all you need to know.

With absolute certainty "manmade CO2" is the main cause global warming.

Actually
Both Climate Change and Global Warming are unique terms that have specific meanings.

To put it simply:
Cause: Global Warming
Effect: Climate Change
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/climate_by_any_other_name.html

If anything, we should be talking about Global Warming more.
Because it's amazingly simple when you boil it down to it's bare constuients.

**"Is it the sun?"** Sometimes but definently not for the past half century.
http://greyfalcon.net/solar0.png

**"Are we certain that less and less infrared radiation is exiting out into space, almost entirely in the wavelength we'd expect CO2 and CH4 to block?"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/greenhouse

**Is the rate of warming significant?**
Yeah, I'd say 100x faster than you'd expect from changes in earth's orbit alone is significant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bftcWQiZPPg
http://www.skepticalscience.com/How-to-explain-Milankovitch-cycles-to-a-hostile-Congressman-in-30-seconds.html
http://greyfalcon.net/climate2
(^^ I need a better source for this comment)

**"Do we know that the CO2 is from fossil fuels. i.e. "Manmade CO2"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon3
http://greyfalcon.net/c14
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon2

DONE. That's all you need to know.

With absolute certainty "manmade CO2" is the main cause global warming.

Actually
Both Climate Change and Global Warming are unique terms that have specific meanings.

To put it simply:
Cause: Global Warming
Effect: Climate Change
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/climate_by_any_other_name.html

If anything, we should be talking about Global Warming more.
Because it's amazingly simple when you boil it down to it's bare constuients.

**"Is it the sun?"** Sometimes but definently not for the past half century.
http://greyfalcon.net/solar0.png

**"Are we certain that less and less infrared radiation is exiting out into space, almost entirely in the wavelength we'd expect CO2 and CH4 to block?"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/greenhouse

**Is the rate of warming significant?**
Yeah, I'd say 100x faster than you'd expect from changes in earth's orbit alone is significant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bftcWQiZPPg
http://www.skepticalscience.com/How-to-explain-Milankovitch-cycles-to-a-hostile-Congressman-in-30-seconds.html
http://greyfalcon.net/climate2
(^^ I need a better source for this comment)

**"Do we know that the CO2 is from fossil fuels. i.e. "Manmade CO2"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon3
http://greyfalcon.net/c14
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon2

DONE. That's all you need to know.

With absolute certainty "manmade CO2" is the main cause global warming.

Actually
Both Climate Change and Global Warming are unique terms that have specific meanings.

To put it simply:
Cause: Global Warming
Effect: Climate Change
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/climate_by_any_other_name.html

If anything, we should be talking about Global Warming more.
Because it's amazingly simple when you boil it down to it's bare constuients.

**"Is it the sun?"** Sometimes but definently not for the past half century.
http://greyfalcon.net/solar0.png

**"Are we certain that less and less infrared radiation is exiting out into space, almost entirely in the wavelength we'd expect CO2 and CH4 to block?"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/greenhouse

**Is the rate of warming significant?**
Yeah, I'd say 100x faster than you'd expect from changes in earth's orbit alone is significant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bftcWQiZPPg
http://www.skepticalscience.com/How-to-explain-Milankovitch-cycles-to-a-hostile-Congressman-in-30-seconds.html
http://greyfalcon.net/climate2
(^^ I need a better source for this comment)

**"Do we know that the CO2 is from fossil fuels. i.e. "Manmade CO2"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon3
http://greyfalcon.net/c14
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon2

DONE. That's all you need to know.

With absolute certainty "manmade CO2" is the main cause global warming.

Actually
Both Climate Change and Global Warming are unique terms that have specific meanings.

To put it simply:
Cause: Global Warming
Effect: Climate Change
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/climate_by_any_other_name.html

If anything, we should be talking about Global Warming more.
Because it's amazingly simple when you boil it down to it's bare constuients.

**"Is it the sun?"** Sometimes but definently not for the past half century.
http://greyfalcon.net/solar0.png

**"Are we certain that less and less infrared radiation is exiting out into space, almost entirely in the wavelength we'd expect CO2 and CH4 to block?"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/greenhouse

**Is the rate of warming significant?**
Yeah, I'd say 100x faster than you'd expect from changes in earth's orbit alone is significant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bftcWQiZPPg
http://www.skepticalscience.com/How-to-explain-Milankovitch-cycles-to-a-hostile-Congressman-in-30-seconds.html
http://greyfalcon.net/climate2
(^^ I need a better source for this comment)

**"Do we know that the CO2 is from fossil fuels. i.e. "Manmade CO2"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon3
http://greyfalcon.net/c14
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon2

DONE. That's all you need to know.

With absolute certainty "manmade CO2" is the main cause global warming.

Actually
Both Climate Change and Global Warming are unique terms that have specific meanings.

To put it simply:
Cause: Global Warming
Effect: Climate Change
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/climate_by_any_other_name.html

If anything, we should be talking about Global Warming more.
Because it's amazingly simple when you boil it down to it's bare constuients.

**"Is it the sun?"** Sometimes but definently not for the past half century.
http://greyfalcon.net/solar0.png

**"Are we certain that less and less infrared radiation is exiting out into space, almost entirely in the wavelength we'd expect CO2 and CH4 to block?"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/greenhouse

**Is the rate of warming significant?**
Yeah, I'd say 100x faster than you'd expect from changes in earth's orbit alone is significant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bftcWQiZPPg
http://www.skepticalscience.com/How-to-explain-Milankovitch-cycles-to-a-hostile-Congressman-in-30-seconds.html
http://greyfalcon.net/climate2
(^^ I need a better source for this comment)

**"Do we know that the CO2 is from fossil fuels. i.e. "Manmade CO2"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon3
http://greyfalcon.net/c14
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon2

DONE. That's all you need to know.

With absolute certainty "manmade CO2" is the main cause global warming.

Actually
Both Climate Change and Global Warming are unique terms that have specific meanings.

To put it simply:
Cause: Global Warming
Effect: Climate Change
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/climate_by_any_other_name.html

If anything, we should be talking about Global Warming more.
Because it's amazingly simple when you boil it down to it's bare constuients.

**"Is it the sun?"** Sometimes but definently not for the past half century.
http://greyfalcon.net/solar0.png

**"Are we certain that less and less infrared radiation is exiting out into space, almost entirely in the wavelength we'd expect CO2 and CH4 to block?"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/greenhouse

**Is the rate of warming significant?**
Yeah, I'd say 100x faster than you'd expect from changes in earth's orbit alone is significant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bftcWQiZPPg
http://www.skepticalscience.com/How-to-explain-Milankovitch-cycles-to-a-hostile-Congressman-in-30-seconds.html
http://greyfalcon.net/climate2
(^^ I need a better source for this comment)

**"Do we know that the CO2 is from fossil fuels. i.e. "Manmade CO2"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon3
http://greyfalcon.net/c14
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon2

DONE. That's all you need to know.

With absolute "manmade CO2" is the main cause global warming.

Actually
Both Climate Change and Global Warming are unique terms that have specific meanings.

To put it simply:
Cause: Global Warming
Effect: Climate Change
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/climate_by_any_other_name.html

If anything, we should be talking about Global Warming more.
Because it's amazingly simple when you boil it down to it's bare constuients.

**"Is it the sun?"** Sometimes but definently not for the past half century.
http://greyfalcon.net/solar0.png

**"Are we certain that less and less infrared radiation is exiting out into space, almost entirely in the wavelength we'd expect CO2 and CH4 to block?"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/greenhouse

**Is the rate of warming significant?**
Yeah, I'd say 100x faster than you'd expect from changes in earth's orbit alone is significant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bftcWQiZPPg
http://www.skepticalscience.com/How-to-explain-Milankovitch-cycles-to-a-hostile-Congressman-in-30-seconds.html
http://greyfalcon.net/climate2
(^^ I need a better source for this comment)

**"Do we know that the CO2 is from fossil fuels. i.e. "Manmade CO2"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon3
http://greyfalcon.net/c14
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon2

DONE. That's all you need to know.

With absolute "manmade CO2" is the main cause global warming.

Actually
Both Climate Change and Global Warming are unique terms that have specific meanings.

To put it simply:
Cause: Global Warming
Effect: Climate Change
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/climate_by_any_other_name.html

If anything, we should be talking about Global Warming more.
Because it's amazingly simple when you boil it down to it's bare constuients.

**"Is it the sun?"** Sometimes but definently not for the past half century.
http://greyfalcon.net/solar0.png

**"Are we certain that less and less infrared radiation is exiting out into space, almost entirely in the wavelength we'd expect CO2 and CH4 to block?"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/greenhouse

**Is the rate of warming significant?**
Yeah, I'd say 100x faster than you'd expect from changes in earth's orbit alone is significant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bftcWQiZPPg
http://www.skepticalscience.com/How-to-explain-Milankovitch-cycles-to-a-hostile-Congressman-in-30-seconds.html
http://greyfalcon.net/climate2
(^^ I need a better source for this comment)

**"Do we know that the CO2 is from fossil fuels. i.e. "Manmade CO2"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon3
http://greyfalcon.net/c14
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon2

DONE. That's all you need to know.

With absolute "manmade CO2" is the main cause global warming.

Actually
Both Climate Change and Global Warming are unique terms that have specific meanings.

To put it simply:
Cause: Global Warming
Effect: Climate Change
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/climate_by_any_other_name.html

If anything, we should be talking about Global Warming more.
Because it's amazingly simple when you boil it down to it's bare constuients.

**"Is it the sun?"** Sometimes but definently not for the past half century.
http://greyfalcon.net/solar0.png

**"Are we certain that less and less infrared radiation is exiting out into space, almost entirely in the wavelength we'd expect CO2 and CH4 to block?"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/greenhouse

**Is the rate of warming significant?**
Yeah, I'd say 100x faster than you'd expect from changes in earth's orbit alone is significant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bftcWQiZPPg
http://www.skepticalscience.com/How-to-explain-Milankovitch-cycles-to-a-hostile-Congressman-in-30-seconds.html
http://greyfalcon.net/climate2
(^^ I need a better source for this comment)

**"Do we know that the CO2 is from fossil fuels. i.e. "Manmade CO2"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon3
http://greyfalcon.net/c14
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon2

DONE. That's all you need to know.

With absolute "manmade CO2" is the main cause global warming.

Actually
Both Climate Change and Global Warming are unique terms that have specific meanings.

To put it simply:
Cause: Global Warming
Effect: Climate Change
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/climate_by_any_other_name.html

If anything, we should be talking about Global Warming more.
Because it's amazingly simple when you boil it down to it's bare constuients.

**"Is it the sun?"** Sometimes but definently not for the past half century.
http://greyfalcon.net/solar0.png

**"Are we certain that less and less infrared radiation is exiting out into space, almost entirely in the wavelength we'd expect CO2 and CH4 to block?"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/greenhouse

**Is the rate of warming significant?**
Yeah, I'd say 100x faster than you'd expect from changes in earth's orbit alone is significant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bftcWQiZPPg
http://www.skepticalscience.com/How-to-explain-Milankovitch-cycles-to-a-hostile-Congressman-in-30-seconds.html
http://greyfalcon.net/climate2
(^^ I need a better source for this comment)

**"Do we know that the CO2 is from fossil fuels. i.e. "Manmade CO2"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon3
http://greyfalcon.net/c14
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon2

DONE. That's all you need to know.

With absolute "manmade CO2" is the main cause global warming.

Actually
Both Climate Change and Global Warming are unique terms that have specific meanings.

To put it simply:
Cause: Global Warming
Effect: Climate Change
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/climate_by_any_other_name.html

If anything, we should be talking about Global Warming more.
Because it's amazingly simple when you boil it down to it's bare constuients.

**"Is it the sun?"** Sometimes but definently not for the past half century.
http://greyfalcon.net/solar0.png

**"Are we certain that less and less infrared radiation is exiting out into space, almost entirely in the wavelength we'd expect CO2 and CH4 to block?"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/greenhouse

**Is the rate of warming significant?**
Yeah, I'd say 100x faster than you'd expect from changes in earth's orbit alone is significant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bftcWQiZPPg
http://www.skepticalscience.com/How-to-explain-Milankovitch-cycles-to-a-hostile-Congressman-in-30-seconds.html
http://greyfalcon.net/climate2
(^^ I need a better source for this comment)

**"Do we know that the CO2 is from fossil fuels. i.e. "Manmade CO2"**
Yes
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon3
http://greyfalcon.net/c14
http://greyfalcon.net/carbon2

DONE. That's all you need to know.

With absolute "manmade CO2" is the main cause global warming.

For instance

Atmospheric temperature records
http://greyfalcon.net/rsstemps2.png

Surface temperature records
http://greyfalcon.net/globaltemps.png

All the temperature records compared.
http://greyfalcon.net/forcing2.png

But I guess if you want to play games with surface temperatures. HadCRU said 1998 was warmer than 2005, by the tiniest fraction. GISS said 2005 was warmer than 1998 by the tiniest fraction.

Either way, 2010 is basically tied for the hottest it's ever been this past iceage.

For instance

Atmospheric temperature records
http://greyfalcon.net/rsstemps2.png

Surface temperature records
http://greyfalcon.net/globaltemps.png

All the temperature records compared.
http://greyfalcon.net/forcing2.png

But I guess if you want to play games with surface temperatures. HadCRU said 1998 was warmer than 2005, by the tiniest fraction. GISS said 2005 was warmer than 1998 by the tiniest fraction.

Either way, 2010 is basically tied for the hottest it's ever been this past iceage.

For instance

Atmospheric temperature records
http://greyfalcon.net/rsstemps2.png

Surface temperature records
http://greyfalcon.net/globaltemps.png

All the temperature records compared.
http://greyfalcon.net/forcing2.png

But I guess if you want to play games with surface temperatures. HadCRU said 1998 was warmer than 2005, by the tiniest fraction. GISS said 2005 was warmer than 1998 by the tiniest fraction.

Either way, 2010 is basically tied for the hottest it's ever been this past iceage.

Would you mind cutting it out with those science-free strawman arguments?

And I know exactly where you got them from, since that volcano bit is unique to that science-free documentrary.

Cliffnotes debunk
http://greyfalcon.net/swindle3

Cross referenced list debunk
http://greyfalcon.net/climate

Line by line debunk (If you are some sort of sadist for detail)
http://greyfalcon.net/swindle

Would you mind cutting it out with those science-free strawman arguments?

And I know exactly where you got them from, since that volcano bit is unique to that science-free documentrary.

Cliffnotes debunk
http://greyfalcon.net/swindle3

Cross referenced list debunk
http://greyfalcon.net/climate

Line by line debunk (If you are some sort of sadist for detail)
http://greyfalcon.net/swindle

Would you mind cutting it out with those science-free strawman arguments?

And I know exactly where you got them from, since that volcano bit is unique to that science-free documentrary.

Cliffnotes debunk
http://greyfalcon.net/swindle3

Cross referenced list debunk
http://greyfalcon.net/climate

Line by line debunk (If you are some sort of sadist for detail)
http://greyfalcon.net/swindle

Well that's not always the case.
Ethanol is a horrible idea sure, however Oil receives gigantic amounts of direct and indirect subsidies as well.
Namely military usage.

This is more electricity for instance, however compare Geothermal and Solar, to Coal and Nuclear
http://greyfalcon.net/subs.png

Actually Canada and Saudi Arabia are about the same on imports.

However the real thing to be said, is that since oil is a fungible commodity, what he really thinks he's supposed to be accomplishing.
http://greyfalcon.net/dilbert2.png

Only way to cut profits from oil, is to make oil less valuable.

______

Oh and incidentally, Canadian oil is environmentally kind of a disaster.
http://greyfalcon.net/tarsands.png

Actually Canada and Saudi Arabia are about the same on imports.

However the real thing to be said, is that since oil is a fungible commodity, what he really thinks he's supposed to be accomplishing.
http://greyfalcon.net/dilbert2.png

Only way to cut profits from oil, is to make oil less valuable.

______

Oh and incidentally, Canadian oil is environmentally kind of a disaster.
http://greyfalcon.net/tarsands.png

What did Brazil do?
http://greyfalcon.net/brazil.png

Only a tiny fraction of Brazil's transportion fuel is ethanol.

You're missing out that a huge amount of their fleet is diesel, and natural gas.

And how they produce nearly as much oil domestically as Venezuela (i.e. America's second highest oil importer, higher than Saudi Arabia)

Even if it's powered by the dirtiest Coal plants available, it'd still be cleaner than conventional cars.
http://imgur.com/ODyoB.png
http://www.grist.org/article/new-study-finds-that-plug-in-hybrids-rule-in-all-possible-futures/

As for batteries, both Nickel and Lithium are nontoxic, and easily recyclable.
(Not to mention, Nickel is the 5th most common element on earth. So it's not that "rare".)
_

What's more, if we are going to solve anything with global warming, we would need to upgrade our grid anyways.
And it takes about 20 years to shift over to a new car fleet. So we best get started ASAP.

Luckily, we have options:
http://greyfalcon.net/solarenergy.png
http://greyfalcon.net/geoenergy.png
http://www.esolar.com/our_solution
http://greyfalcon.net/egs

Even if it's powered by the dirtiest Coal plants available, it'd still be cleaner than conventional cars.
http://imgur.com/ODyoB.png
http://www.grist.org/article/new-study-finds-that-plug-in-hybrids-rule-in-all-possible-futures/

As for batteries, both Nickel and Lithium are nontoxic, and easily recyclable.
(Not to mention, Nickel is the 5th most common element on earth. So it's not that "rare".)
_

What's more, if we are going to solve anything with global warming, we would need to upgrade our grid anyways.
And it takes about 20 years to shift over to a new car fleet. So we best get started ASAP.

Luckily, we have options:
http://greyfalcon.net/solarenergy.png
http://greyfalcon.net/geoenergy.png
http://www.esolar.com/our_solution
http://greyfalcon.net/egs

Even if it's powered by the dirtiest Coal plants available, it'd still be cleaner than conventional cars.
http://imgur.com/ODyoB.png
http://www.grist.org/article/new-study-finds-that-plug-in-hybrids-rule-in-all-possible-futures/

As for batteries, both Nickel and Lithium are nontoxic, and easily recyclable.
(Not to mention, Nickel is the 5th most common element on earth. So it's not that "rare".)
_

What's more, if we are going to solve anything with global warming, we would need to upgrade our grid anyways.
And it takes about 20 years to shift over to a new car fleet. So we best get started ASAP.

Luckily, we have options:
http://greyfalcon.net/solarenergy.png
http://greyfalcon.net/geoenergy.png
http://www.esolar.com/our_solution
http://greyfalcon.net/egs

You know, coming from slashdot, I would have thought you'd have an understanding of thermodynamics.
Or at least try to make a look into things before making a kneejerk response.

Even if it's powered by the dirtiest Coal plants available, it'd still be cleaner than conventional cars.
http://imgur.com/ODyoB.png
http://www.grist.org/article/new-study-finds-that-plug-in-hybrids-rule-in-all-possible-futures/

As for batteries, both Nickel and Lithium are nontoxic, and easily recyclable.
(Not to mention, Nickel is the 5th most common element on earth. So it's not that "rare".)
_

What's more, if we are going to solve anything with global warming, we would need to upgrade our grid anyways.
And it takes about 20 years to shift over to a new car fleet. So we best get started ASAP.

Luckily, we have options:
http://greyfalcon.net/solarenergy.png
http://greyfalcon.net/geoenergy.png
http://www.esolar.com/our_solution
http://greyfalcon.net/egs

You know, coming from slashdot, I would have thought you'd have an understanding of thermodynamics.
Or at least try to make a look into things before making a kneejerk response.

Even if it's powered by the dirtiest Coal plants available, it'd still be cleaner than conventional cars.
http://imgur.com/ODyoB.png
http://www.grist.org/article/new-study-finds-that-plug-in-hybrids-rule-in-all-possible-futures/

As for batteries, both Nickel and Lithium are nontoxic, and easily recyclable.
(Not to mention, Nickel is the 5th most common element on earth. So it's not that "rare".)
_

What's more, if we are going to solve anything with global warming, we would need to upgrade our grid anyways.
And it takes about 20 years to shift over to a new car fleet. So we best get started ASAP.

Luckily, we have options:
http://greyfalcon.net/solarenergy.png
http://greyfalcon.net/geoenergy.png
http://www.esolar.com/our_solution
http://greyfalcon.net/egs

You know, coming from slashdot, I would have thought you'd have an understanding of thermodynamics.
Or at least try to make a look into things before making a kneejerk response.

Even if it's powered by the dirtiest Coal plants available, it'd still be cleaner than conventional cars.
http://imgur.com/ODyoB.png
http://www.grist.org/article/new-study-finds-that-plug-in-hybrids-rule-in-all-possible-futures/

As for batteries, both Nickel and Lithium are nontoxic, and easily recyclable.
(Not to mention, Nickel is the 5th most common element on earth. So it's not that "rare".)
_

What's more, if we are going to solve anything with global warming, we would need to upgrade our grid anyways.
And it takes about 20 years to shift over to a new car fleet. So we best get started ASAP.

Luckily, we have options:
http://greyfalcon.net/solarenergy.png
http://greyfalcon.net/geoenergy.png
http://www.esolar.com/our_solution
http://greyfalcon.net/egs

Whats better than a hybrid?
Building a better hybrid.

In particular a plugin hybrid electric vehicle.
Or in this case a prius with a bigger battery.
(Although a fully electric car, with the bare minimum for a gasoline generator is more ideal)

This study found that in regions where electricity comes primarily from natural gas, a plugin hybrid puts up 3x less CO2 emmisions.
And in the least green region of the United States powered almost entirely by coal.
They found that the CO2 emmisions per mile were practically idential to a normal hybrid.
http://www.aceee.org/pubs/t061.htm

Whats more, we could replace 84% of the US fleet of cars with electric, and not need to build even 1 new power plant by leveraging downtime grid usage. (More fuel use, but no new infrastructure needed)
http://blogs.business2.com/greenwombat/2006/12/plu gin_nation_g.html

Whats more, by having the distributed battery network stabalize the grid capacity.
We could actually make the grid far more reliable than it is today.
http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/17930/
http://news.com.com/2100-11392_3-6174672.html

And there's some pretty sexy electric cars on the way.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/electriccars.png

_

Cool part about all this?
You can get electricity from the grid at a cost similar to 50 cents a gallon.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/plugins

And it's the perfect, "flexible fuel", since electricity can come from practically anything.
Unlike Ethanol for instance, which might be even worse than gasoline in pollution.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/ethanol2
http://www.greyfalcon.net/ethanol3
And biodiesel, which could potentially make Indonesia/Malaysia put up more CO2 than China.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/biofuel

Best part about this from an environmental perspective, is that combines two big problems into one.
So all you have to do is green the grid, to green everything.

And that can readily be provided by printable solar panels
http://www.greyfalcon.net/pv

And geothermal using inexpensive super powered electric drilling motors
http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/?p=1206
http://www.rasertech.com/media/movies/html/well_to _wheels.html
http://www.insidegreentech.com/node/1088

Whats better than a hybrid?
Building a better hybrid.

In particular a plugin hybrid electric vehicle.
Or in this case a prius with a bigger battery.
(Although a fully electric car, with the bare minimum for a gasoline generator is more ideal)

This study found that in regions where electricity comes primarily from natural gas, a plugin hybrid puts up 3x less CO2 emmisions.
And in the least green region of the United States powered almost entirely by coal.
They found that the CO2 emmisions per mile were practically idential to a normal hybrid.
http://www.aceee.org/pubs/t061.htm

Whats more, we could replace 84% of the US fleet of cars with electric, and not need to build even 1 new power plant by leveraging downtime grid usage. (More fuel use, but no new infrastructure needed)
http://blogs.business2.com/greenwombat/2006/12/plu gin_nation_g.html

Whats more, by having the distributed battery network stabalize the grid capacity.
We could actually make the grid far more reliable than it is today.
http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/17930/
http://news.com.com/2100-11392_3-6174672.html

And there's some pretty sexy electric cars on the way.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/electriccars.png

_

Cool part about all this?
You can get electricity from the grid at a cost similar to 50 cents a gallon.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/plugins

And it's the perfect, "flexible fuel", since electricity can come from practically anything.
Unlike Ethanol for instance, which might be even worse than gasoline in pollution.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/ethanol2
http://www.greyfalcon.net/ethanol3
And biodiesel, which could potentially make Indonesia/Malaysia put up more CO2 than China.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/biofuel

Best part about this from an environmental perspective, is that combines two big problems into one.
So all you have to do is green the grid, to green everything.

And that can readily be provided by printable solar panels
http://www.greyfalcon.net/pv

And geothermal using inexpensive super powered electric drilling motors
http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/?p=1206
http://www.rasertech.com/media/movies/html/well_to _wheels.html
http://www.insidegreentech.com/node/1088

Whats better than a hybrid?
Building a better hybrid.

In particular a plugin hybrid electric vehicle.
Or in this case a prius with a bigger battery.
(Although a fully electric car, with the bare minimum for a gasoline generator is more ideal)

This study found that in regions where electricity comes primarily from natural gas, a plugin hybrid puts up 3x less CO2 emmisions.
And in the least green region of the United States powered almost entirely by coal.
They found that the CO2 emmisions per mile were practically idential to a normal hybrid.
http://www.aceee.org/pubs/t061.htm

Whats more, we could replace 84% of the US fleet of cars with electric, and not need to build even 1 new power plant by leveraging downtime grid usage. (More fuel use, but no new infrastructure needed)
http://blogs.business2.com/greenwombat/2006/12/plu gin_nation_g.html

Whats more, by having the distributed battery network stabalize the grid capacity.
We could actually make the grid far more reliable than it is today.
http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/17930/
http://news.com.com/2100-11392_3-6174672.html

And there's some pretty sexy electric cars on the way.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/electriccars.png

_

Cool part about all this?
You can get electricity from the grid at a cost similar to 50 cents a gallon.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/plugins

And it's the perfect, "flexible fuel", since electricity can come from practically anything.
Unlike Ethanol for instance, which might be even worse than gasoline in pollution.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/ethanol2
http://www.greyfalcon.net/ethanol3
And biodiesel, which could potentially make Indonesia/Malaysia put up more CO2 than China.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/biofuel

Best part about this from an environmental perspective, is that combines two big problems into one.
So all you have to do is green the grid, to green everything.

And that can readily be provided by printable solar panels
http://www.greyfalcon.net/pv

And geothermal using inexpensive super powered electric drilling motors
http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/?p=1206
http://www.rasertech.com/media/movies/html/well_to _wheels.html
http://www.insidegreentech.com/node/1088

Whats better than a hybrid?
Building a better hybrid.

In particular a plugin hybrid electric vehicle.
Or in this case a prius with a bigger battery.
(Although a fully electric car, with the bare minimum for a gasoline generator is more ideal)

This study found that in regions where electricity comes primarily from natural gas, a plugin hybrid puts up 3x less CO2 emmisions.
And in the least green region of the United States powered almost entirely by coal.
They found that the CO2 emmisions per mile were practically idential to a normal hybrid.
http://www.aceee.org/pubs/t061.htm

Whats more, we could replace 84% of the US fleet of cars with electric, and not need to build even 1 new power plant by leveraging downtime grid usage. (More fuel use, but no new infrastructure needed)
http://blogs.business2.com/greenwombat/2006/12/plu gin_nation_g.html

Whats more, by having the distributed battery network stabalize the grid capacity.
We could actually make the grid far more reliable than it is today.
http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/17930/
http://news.com.com/2100-11392_3-6174672.html

And there's some pretty sexy electric cars on the way.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/electriccars.png

_

Cool part about all this?
You can get electricity from the grid at a cost similar to 50 cents a gallon.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/plugins

And it's the perfect, "flexible fuel", since electricity can come from practically anything.
Unlike Ethanol for instance, which might be even worse than gasoline in pollution.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/ethanol2
http://www.greyfalcon.net/ethanol3
And biodiesel, which could potentially make Indonesia/Malaysia put up more CO2 than China.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/biofuel

Best part about this from an environmental perspective, is that combines two big problems into one.
So all you have to do is green the grid, to green everything.

And that can readily be provided by printable solar panels
http://www.greyfalcon.net/pv

And geothermal using inexpensive super powered electric drilling motors
http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/?p=1206
http://www.rasertech.com/media/movies/html/well_to _wheels.html
http://www.insidegreentech.com/node/1088

Whats better than a hybrid?
Building a better hybrid.

In particular a plugin hybrid electric vehicle.
Or in this case a prius with a bigger battery.
(Although a fully electric car, with the bare minimum for a gasoline generator is more ideal)

This study found that in regions where electricity comes primarily from natural gas, a plugin hybrid puts up 3x less CO2 emmisions.
And in the least green region of the United States powered almost entirely by coal.
They found that the CO2 emmisions per mile were practically idential to a normal hybrid.
http://www.aceee.org/pubs/t061.htm

Whats more, we could replace 84% of the US fleet of cars with electric, and not need to build even 1 new power plant by leveraging downtime grid usage. (More fuel use, but no new infrastructure needed)
http://blogs.business2.com/greenwombat/2006/12/plu gin_nation_g.html

Whats more, by having the distributed battery network stabalize the grid capacity.
We could actually make the grid far more reliable than it is today.
http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/17930/
http://news.com.com/2100-11392_3-6174672.html

And there's some pretty sexy electric cars on the way.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/electriccars.png

_

Cool part about all this?
You can get electricity from the grid at a cost similar to 50 cents a gallon.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/plugins

And it's the perfect, "flexible fuel", since electricity can come from practically anything.
Unlike Ethanol for instance, which might be even worse than gasoline in pollution.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/ethanol2
http://www.greyfalcon.net/ethanol3
And biodiesel, which could potentially make Indonesia/Malaysia put up more CO2 than China.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/biofuel

Best part about this from an environmental perspective, is that combines two big problems into one.
So all you have to do is green the grid, to green everything.

And that can readily be provided by printable solar panels
http://www.greyfalcon.net/pv

And geothermal using inexpensive super powered electric drilling motors
http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/?p=1206
http://www.rasertech.com/media/movies/html/well_to _wheels.html
http://www.insidegreentech.com/node/1088

Whats better than a hybrid?
Building a better hybrid.

In particular a plugin hybrid electric vehicle.
Or in this case a prius with a bigger battery.
(Although a fully electric car, with the bare minimum for a gasoline generator is more ideal)

This study found that in regions where electricity comes primarily from natural gas, a plugin hybrid puts up 3x less CO2 emmisions.
And in the least green region of the United States powered almost entirely by coal.
They found that the CO2 emmisions per mile were practically idential to a normal hybrid.
http://www.aceee.org/pubs/t061.htm

Whats more, we could replace 84% of the US fleet of cars with electric, and not need to build even 1 new power plant by leveraging downtime grid usage. (More fuel use, but no new infrastructure needed)
http://blogs.business2.com/greenwombat/2006/12/plu gin_nation_g.html

Whats more, by having the distributed battery network stabalize the grid capacity.
We could actually make the grid far more reliable than it is today.
http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/17930/
http://news.com.com/2100-11392_3-6174672.html

And there's some pretty sexy electric cars on the way.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/electriccars.png

_

Cool part about all this?
You can get electricity from the grid at a cost similar to 50 cents a gallon.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/plugins

And it's the perfect, "flexible fuel", since electricity can come from practically anything.
Unlike Ethanol for instance, which might be even worse than gasoline in pollution.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/ethanol2
http://www.greyfalcon.net/ethanol3
And biodiesel, which could potentially make Indonesia/Malaysia put up more CO2 than China.
http://www.greyfalcon.net/biofuel

Best part about this from an environmental perspective, is that combines two big problems into one.
So all you have to do is green the grid, to green everything.

And that can readily be provided by printable solar panels
http://www.greyfalcon.net/pv

And geothermal using inexpensive super powered electric drilling motors
http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/?p=1206
http://www.rasertech.com/media/movies/html/well_to _wheels.html
http://www.insidegreentech.com/node/1088

Doh!

Click link:
http://www.greyfalcon.net/psinstall.zip

Well, I've done my best to polish up my installer over the weekend.
Put in about every detail I can think of for the trial.

It's a 1MB web installer.

Completely simple, compatable, and just about perfect in every way :)
http://www.greyfalcon.net/psinstall.zip


I'm also the guy who ran the installer last year when we had only 7 day trial keys.
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/05/ 1713229
Got about 7,000 downloads off that marketing push

As for the Devs, we've got a new Producer, really capable guy.
Last two patches have been fantastic.
And the next one looks pretty sweet as well.

Join the Fight :)

Alternatively use the 1 mb installer.

http://www.greyfalcon.net/psinstall.zip