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You really don't want to joke about IPv8.... Read this, it's INSANE.... http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/06944.html

About nothing? IANA as the long term manager of TLD's and DNS was going to allow essentially unlimited new TLD's. I applied for .lottery. Then....... ICANN came with no real input from either you or I and where are the new TLD's?

http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/ 00990.html

Is this important to a starving child in Pakistan? No.

But to the goverence and health of the net it is. Why should you or I have to pay ICANN 50K USD to apply to run a new TLD?

With IANA one professor and some little staff ran this function. Now ICANN sucks money into it's black hole and we have no way to see what happens or how decision are made.

Say ICANN refused to allow the new .EU TLD. What then? How did this get decided? Who decided? Why decided?

Say ICANN refused .XXX..........wait......hang on a minute......

Duh. Fight about nothing?

Secondly, Other countries already have their version of ".com", though many believe that we should follow their lead as well (.co.uk, .co.fr; why not replace .com with .co.us?).

...because, although .com has a large number of US companies in it, it is not solely composed of US companies. The only statistic that I can readily locate is from late 1997, and only shows 71.6% being owned by US companies.

http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/ 00990.html is an interesting document. I feel like quoting a section of it, from the very top:

Here is a preliminary summary of the file of messages, including domain name registration forms, received by the IANA since Septermber 1995.

Can you please point out to me the part of that email that says when they were planning on granting these TLDs, and which entity was being granted the TLDs in the case of TLDs that had multiple applications?

Oh, that's right, you can't... because this email is just a list of messages they'd received from September 14, 1995 through November 26, 1996. Perhaps you have another source that backs up your statement, but until then, this argument falls flat.

http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/ 00990.html is an interesting document. I feel like quoting a section of it, from the very top:

Here is a preliminary summary of the file of messages, including domain name registration forms, received by the IANA since Septermber 1995.

Can you please point out to me the part of that email that says when they were planning on granting these TLDs, and which entity was being granted the TLDs in the case of TLDs that had multiple applications?

Oh, that's right, you can't... because this email is just a list of messages they'd received from September 14, 1995 through November 26, 1996. Perhaps you have another source that backs up your statement, but until then, this argument falls flat.

No problems? Hmmmm. What you meant to say is nor problems YOU are aware of. Dig a bit deeper. Be daring. Read a little. Maybe start with one of the last PUBLICLY elected directors : http://www.cavebear.com/cbblog/ or maybe this: http://www.gtld-mou.org/

The fact that ICANN has foreign directors does not change that most internet stakeholders have no say in new TLD's. Did you bid on running .com? No? Oh I forgot there was no public tender to run .com. Just yet another backroom deal.

These directors have what power?

As usual everyone keeps confusing the "Internet" with the DNS.

Common Quote - We invented it, we want to keep it.

This of course is a stupid argument - the Internet is many things - WWW being the most obvious. And the Web was invented where?

Common misconception - repressive countries need to control DNS root servers to repress......not so.

Cisco and other vendors sell products that today succeed in blocking site not allowed. Most Arab countries filter the internet behind proxy servers and cisco firewalls.

The real issue at stake is that ICANN is an opaque organization that was handed control of the root file with no REAL input from ALL internet stakeholders. ICANN today holds the power to drop any country off the DNS system. The EU itself had to apply for permission to ICANN for the .EU domain. ICANN could have refused, as they did for .XXX. ICANN decides who in a country get delegated control of that TLD management function of a country.

The real issue is that prior to 1998, IANA had plans to open up hundreds of top level domains......which plans were then shelved with no open process by ICANN. http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/ 00990.html

The reality? Most Americans have no idea where ICANN came from or how it works or how it is not really beneficial for them, but they invoke this maddening knee jerk blind patriotism - it's ours and we run it. Sad that they have no idea who "we" is. ICANN is not "we". ICANN is undemocratic even for Americans, and is secretive. ICANN is in bed with WIPRO and seems to have a policy that supports big business. ICANN has no idea of trademark law. in short ICANN is NOT the answer for DNS governance.

I find it amusing that the UN - with the ITU, has controlled the telephone system and standards associated with telephony for a long tome now, with no complaints or issues. Amusing that no one here seems to understand how the UN actually works. It is doubly amusing that by demanding the Status Quo with ICANN they fail to see how unaccountable ICANN is.

Amazing that so many posters here decry the corporate pressures to control any and all domain names, yet are silent on the ties betwen WIPRO desires and ICANN actions.

Stupendous that no one seems aware of how the IANA function passed from Postel to ICANN with no stops and with no real consultation and little input from any stakeholder. Bizarre that for so many years the entries into the TLD space and delegations of Country Code TLD's were in the hands on one man (Postel).

Sad that no one here seems to recall the hundreds of pending TLD applications that were sent into "space" once ICANN gave birth to itself (my application was one pending : http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/ 00990.html).

Accountability? None whatsoever with ICANN.

The ITU has done an acceptable job in ensuring that the international phone system and it's required standards tick over nicely.

The ITU should have received the IANA function when Postel agreed it should move. However everyone in government at the time was too ignorent to absorb the implications of ICANN power.

I am also stunned that people actually believe that censorship requires any control of DNS - I am based from time to time in Dubai and remember when they fired up their firewalls and proxy servers running filtering lists.......those that want to control the internet have all the help they need from Cisco and white list vendors in the US to have any need to play games with TLD issues.

I cannot imagine that an ITU type function under the UN is going to block the issuance of .fuck as a TLD. However I would see major US outcy of a UN body allowed .fuck to be intered into the TLD files.

The internet seems to have no history. Certainly 1998 when all the action when down and the debates were lost seems to be too long ago for most posters to remember.

Long and short - ICANN sucks and will continue to suck.

And, I would really like to get my hands on such a domain....

What you're describing isn't infinite domains. What you're describing is similar in concept to the proposal by the gTLD-MoU, where you have such TLDs as .firm and .shop, and NSI's suggestion of .banc. What youre describing is a rigid system where you have to actually be doing a certain thing to get a certain domain (like selling cars in order to be eligible for a .cars) domain.

This is a more acceptable solution, IMHO.

I'm just wondering if anybody knows what happened to Generic Top Level Domain Memorandum of Understanding?

First, http://www.newdom.com/archive has almost-complete archives of the original IIIA list (also at http://www.iiia.org/lists/newdom) and the most important successors (ar.com and vrx.net/newdom.com).

You may also want to read http://www.newdom.com/archive/iana- meeting.html, about the incident that started the whole thing.

If you want to hear more from the "first group," the lists at http://www.open-rsc.org are still open, and people there continue to boldly beat the dead horse.

The gtld-mou ("second group") site is http://www.gtld-mou.org. You can find the archive to their discussion list at http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-disc uss/mail-archive.

The best example of the "third group" can be found at http://www.kenfreed.org. Ken also has a huge collection of useful links (including all of the comments collected by Esther Dyson except mine, for some reason).

The comments to the NTIA are scattered around their website, but start at http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ ntiahome/domainname/domainhome.htm.

The name.space people can be found at http://name.space, but in case you happen to be among the 99.999% of the net that can't resolve that name, they're also http://name.space.xs2.net.

And somewhere, I believe there is an archive of all of the crazy ideas of Jeff Williams.

First, http://www.newdom.com/archive has almost-complete archives of the original IIIA list (also at http://www.iiia.org/lists/newdom) and the most important successors (ar.com and vrx.net/newdom.com).

You may also want to read http://www.newdom.com/archive/iana- meeting.html, about the incident that started the whole thing.

If you want to hear more from the "first group," the lists at http://www.open-rsc.org are still open, and people there continue to boldly beat the dead horse.

The gtld-mou ("second group") site is http://www.gtld-mou.org. You can find the archive to their discussion list at http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-disc uss/mail-archive.

The best example of the "third group" can be found at http://www.kenfreed.org. Ken also has a huge collection of useful links (including all of the comments collected by Esther Dyson except mine, for some reason).

The comments to the NTIA are scattered around their website, but start at http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ ntiahome/domainname/domainhome.htm.

The name.space people can be found at http://name.space, but in case you happen to be among the 99.999% of the net that can't resolve that name, they're also http://name.space.xs2.net.

And somewhere, I believe there is an archive of all of the crazy ideas of Jeff Williams.