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New TLDs Proposed To ICANN
MemeRot writes: "ICANN has a list here of the new TLDs that have been proposed, along with the companies that have proposed them. The applications haven't been checked to be complete, and ICANN still has to decide whether they're going to allow multiple proposals by a single applicant. Still, this is the list of all possible new TLDs and you will be happy to notice that many people are proposing common sense ideas whose time seems to have come - .sex, .xxx, .kids, and .wap. The current target date for completing any negotiations with registry sponsors and registrars is 31 December 2000." I don't see ".dot"! C'mon!
Tim Berners-Lee, when asked what he would do differently if he had his time again, said: "I would make http://www.whatever.com into http:/com/whatever."
The second version is certainly quicker to type and to pronounce, as well as resembling to the good 'ol Unix directory syntax (despite the differences behind the scenes).
For those of you who'd like to see free for all tld's (e.g. .microsoft or .nicebacon)... .com domain name registrants do you think will register their .com name as a tld? About all of them? Probably. .com name space.
How many
And how many seconds will that take? Probably around 10.
So where would we stand after that? Right where we are now with the
So what's the point? Every bloody marketing moron will register every tld he can think of and the remaining will be taken by people running dodgy xxx sites or cybersquatters.
Hell, even upthearse.com is taken nowadays!
Law 1: Any combination of letters and numbers and the dash (-) may be used as a TLD. (dash may not be the first or last character).
Law 2: Only second level domains may be registered. i.e., ***ALL*** domain registrations must still consist of two parts. Domain + TLD are both required to constitute a single registration action.
Law 3: The TLD itself is registered to no one and remains free for anyone to use. (like is currently done with .com, .net, .org, etc.)
This would accomplish the follwing:
(1) An end to domain hogging. e.g., not even Microsoft, could "buy up all of microsoft.*" since there is for all practical purposes, infinite combinations of microsoft.* to say nothing of m1crosoft.*, m1cr0soft.*, m1cr0s0ft.*, etc.
(2) An end to squatting/domain-brokering. Anyone wanting a FOO domain name need not worry if FOO.{com|net|org} is already taken. Even the domain auctioneers/resellers can't "get 'em all" so there will always be something available.
(3) Allows sharing of domains among same named companies and individuals. e.g., Apple Computer Inc. can have apple.computers or apple.inc or apple.comp while Apple Records can have apple.records or apple.music and a farmer can have apple.farms or apple.growers and John Q. Apple can have john.apple or apple.family. The possibilities are endless and there is room for everyone.
Of course the root DNS servers will need some adjusting to handle this, but could distribute the load based of the first few letters of the TLD. And *only* the root servers need their DNS software rewritten. Ordinary users needn't upgrade anything unless they have software that expects domains to come from some hardcoded list or be exactly 2 or 3 characters long.
However, limited domain names make them porfitable and prevents corps from "fully protecting our trademark" so this sensible idea will probably not be implemented since it ruffles too many political feathers and doesn't make as much money for domain registrars and resellers.
Another thing ... even if the creation of .xxx or .sex came about ... I see no reason why a commercial sex site would do that ... automatically gets into blockers and such ...
Then there's the wonderful idea of regulating the domains ... ahh yes ... .org is for non-profit orginizations only ... right? Whoa hold on there what's slashdot.org ... ohhh yeah ... commercial news site.
So here's my proposal ... I say GOODBYE ICANN ... and hello FREECANN ... I have no idea how to get something like this off the ground, but imagine a distributed database that linked domains for ... let's hear it ... FREE ... and anyone could add them ... we'll call it First Come ... First Serve ... and screw 3 letter limit I say we make .news .stuff .linux ... it will be like USENET And IRC And FREENET combined into one ...
Lost ya? okay IRC ... There's regulation services that hold channels for you ... but it's still first come first serve ... if they decide to not use the channel the service is ended ... then theres USENET ... a bunch of alt.whatever.sex and everyone knows by the name what the newsgroup has. Then theres FREENET the unregulatory shared filesystem that anyone can join and view ...
I say we make it happen ... FREE THE NET!
Ignore the "p2p is theft" trolls, they're just uninformed
Yeah, that .three33 stuff is strange since they
have it again in Chinese (Japanese too?) as .sansansan. I wonder if three has any significance, as do, say four (death) and eight (luck/fortune, though that seems to be more the case in guangdonghua, aka Cantonese).
Why are some of the proposals simply just references to protocols? I'm speaking of things like *.wap, & *.web. Why can't a company live with ftp.companyname.shoes, www.companyname.shoes & wap.companyname.shoes?
It also seems to me that 95% of the tlds on this list are purely for vanity & not for organization purposes. Like RegistryPro, Ltd proposing the *.pro TLD & Dubai Technology proposing *.dubai. Shouldn't we be discussing the merits of *.apparel vs. *.shirts and not sillyness like *.i, *.pro & *.cool
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What company has more rights on cvs.wap: cvs.com, cvs.org or cvs.net? I don't know the answer.
I haven't had time to research this more, so I may be incorrect, but what part do the companies proposing these TLDs have if their TLDs are selected? Do they get to be the root servers for those particular TLDs, or do they just get credit for coming up with the name?
If they do happen to get to be root servers for their TLDs, do they get control over what's registered under their TLDs? If so, wouldn't they be regulating it?
I realize there are a lot more questions than comments in this post, so please feel free to fill me in on what i don't know (which is a lot)!
As for enforcing the use of these TLDs, someone will probably have to figure out what would and wouldn't be allowed in a .kids kind of TLD, and all of this will take time and money, but those costs could just be passed on to people who keep complaining that the web isn't perfectly sterile and empty of thought - in other words, let them deal with it. An occasional check-up to make sure a .kids site hasn't turned into kiddie porn is all it would take to enforce this (and there are probably lots of people who would do this for free). If things get too restrictive, people might just realize how silly this nonsense really is.
There is no need to force any adult site to move to a special TLD. Many would probably do so voluntarily, just like many take precautions to keep people from "accidentally" viewing porn. It's good PR to look like you care about protecting underage people from nakedness, just like how beer and cigarette companies pretend to discourage children from using their products (although they are probably under pressure to do that). I'm sure a .sex TLD would be quite popular with adult sites anyway - everyone would want a domain with their favorite type of sex. The added bonus is that people could finally use the internet as it was intended by blocking all but the .sex sites.
.dot .info .site .spot .surf .web
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Actually, someone suggests just that here. But trademarks conflict sometimes... the same name in different industries or different countries. So it'd either have to be hierachical (company.industry.country.tm) or it would have to include its full address (company.road.zipcode.country.tm).
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First, I'm glad to see only a few entries that may be subject to trademark status. I would prefer that none of the tld's be trademarks.
.comp, .rec, .sci, .alt, etc. Those seem like naturals to me.
Second, no one took
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Bottom line is that TLDs should be for categorizing content, not restricting content which is what the proposed .SEX, .XXX, and .KIDS TLDs would do.
.sex, or .xxx. There will always be flash-in-the-pan Geocities-type adult content. Then the big censorship monster rears its head as to who decides what is adult content when we try to fit all those grey areas into the new TLD's. At this point we are back to the political and capricious decisions of "what is" and "what isn't" as is evidenced by current filtering software.
Well said. Most commercial adult sites ALREADY require some type of adult verification (AVS). Those sites which do not are not likely to abide by the new TLD's
First the problems with the proposed .SEX & .XXX TLDs:
.SEX and .XXX seem well intentioned as a way of partitioning off adult oriented materials from minors, etc.
.SEX and .XXX only.
.SEX and .XXX will probably result in ICANN dictating content too.
.KIDS TLD:
.KIDS too...
.KIDS will probably result in ICANN dictating content too.
.SEX, .XXX, and .KIDS TLDs are well intentioned, all three of these TLDs are all primarily intended to restrict content as opposed to merely categorizing it. It's very important to keep this distinction in mind when considering new .TLDs.
.SEX, .XXX, and .KIDS TLDs would do.
The proposed TLDs
Seems sensible, but how does one exactly define adult oriented materials? -especially considering the internet is an international medium. What is considered adult oriented here in the United States isn't elsewhere and vice-versa.
And what happens when ICANN or whoever decides to go the next step and restricts adult oriented materials to only certain TLDs - for example
And how would such content restrictions be enforced?
In the end TLDs such as
In regards to problems with the proposed
Many of the same points above apply to
How does one exactly define kid oriented materials? -especially considering the internet is an international medium. What is considered adult oriented here in the United States isn't elsewhere and vice-versa. For example, nudity in many parts of the world such as parts of Europe and Japan is not considered harmful to children. On the other hand, violence aimed at children is widely tolerated in the United States, but not content containing nudity.
And how would such content restrictions be enforced?
And as I said above, in the end TLDs such as
TLDs should be used to better categorize content, but not to restrict it. While
Bottom line is that TLDs should be for categorizing content, not restricting content which is what the proposed
Personaly I think TLDs sould be limited to 3 chacters. Anyways here's a list of TLDs that I think should be implemented and why.
.per for personal sites like this. (no it's not mine)
.sex for p0rn
.xxx for p0rn
.shp for online stores.
.crp corprate information.
.ent entertainment.
.web whatever
.inc alternative to .com
.uni university sites
.k12 sites for K-12 schools
anything more is too much and will confuse the crap out of newbies
my mistake, don't know where I saw that we were the 2nd...
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You know it makes sense.
All claims to other tlds should be thrown in the bin.
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The list is not complete as one of the submitters list says "other portions of application claimed confidential"
That company also asked for .sex and .xxx, so perhaps the TLDs are "rude words" that ICANN didn't want to publish.
Haven't they heard of IP addresses?
.314159
Guess I will get
Those who open their minds too far often let their brains fall out.
You can configure BIND to think it has authority for a TLD, just like you would for a regular domain. This would effectively block out any TLD you don't want to service.
I just scanned some comments and didn't see this yet, but how about a .gnu TLD? This way, most open source projects can get their own domain easily, and companies are less likely to squat on it.
.gnu may be limiting to GPL, etc.. .oss? Just a few thoughts that sprang to mind
I know.. I know..
when the time comes that you cant even register bigfathairychickswholoveskinnydudes.com .... its a sign that more tld's are needed
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Glad to see that lots of TLDs were included in the list, although it's enough that it makes you think about whether we should just open up .whatever and have any TLD that's possible? Just an idea, I know it's been thought of before and has it's downsides, but it does have it's benefits also.
Someday I'll make devildog.org into something.
Someday I'll make
I don't see ".dot"! C'mon!
He is using "see" in the common vernacular sense of substituting for 'don't understand'... as in saying 'I don't understand why someone proposed 'dot-dot'!
It does sound like it could lead to more than a bit of confusion, as people end the 'dot-dot' addresses with "www.slashdot.." for example.
it's just going to be a mad scramble for dot.dot as a domain name.. that's all anyone is interested in.. you can then have .dot or whatever you want then
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Expand the current system which allows .com .org and .net to allow any 3 letter top level domain (except a few reserved for special use e.g. .edu .mil .gov).
:)
Of course this might cost amazon.com a bit of money if it has to register amazon.*** for around 17000 different TLDs
you halfway get it, genius.
READ before you post Mr Taco :P
.dot .info .site .spot .surf .web
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The list is not complete as one of the submitters list says "other portions of application claimed confidential"
.eviloverlord, .takeovertheworld, & .resistanceisfutile, and they don't want to spoil their "surprise" for us just yet. But they could have saved everyone the hassle and just used .microsoft :)
I was wondering about that. If their business plan revolves around secret tlds--well, that's even more stupid that the cuecat nonsense.
Or perhaps it's
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Is that for Italians?
I am a big believer in the need for the .xxx or .sex TLD. I think that could allow parents to easily control what there kids view(like it or not that is the parents responsibility), without needing undue 'censorware'. It would be trivial to block everything of a specific domain. .kids. Are they going to monitor that TLD to be sure it only has content for kids? .xxx domain, they will need to put on paper exactly what constitutes a adult entertainment site. Using words like inappropriet, immoral, risqu(sp)etc... needs to be avoided, they must explicitly name the acts that would be involved. I would also like to see the adult entertainment industry push for a specific domain for there sites. It would be great marketing, and fantastic PR opportunity. As long as there is a place where adults can easily get to there sites, I would find it difficult to call this censorship.
If they don't force adult entertainment sites to use those TLD, it will be useless.
Same goes for
I think that the people submitting these ideas have the right idea, but they really need to find away to impliment these ideas thats fair for all parties involved.
as for the
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I just use google's "I'm feeling lucky" for everything... Then you don't have to remember a TLD and you don't end up going to a pron site when you meant to go to the real white house. I think there were unlimited TLDs then people would be forced to use a search engine for everything and names would have less value. Still there is so much marketing and demand out there for ".com" that it will likely always remain a tight space.
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What does that mean? Any ideas?
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These new TLD's are a bad idea, imo. As if it isn't hard enough to remember any given url, this will now make it a good bit harder, given the essentially unlimited number of new TLD's. Perhaps a few new ones, like say .xxx to easily denote porn sites, might be nice to increase the name space, but really, most of the proposed tld's are way too long to easily remember, and the rest are obviously centered on one company's web site. Oh yeah, and I DID see .dot.
Interesting Coincidence that today is the day Taco chose to finally reset the karma of everyone over 50 back down to 50.
Maybe he is finally removing the cap, and is just making it fair by giving anyone previously held to the 50 cap a level playing field with those that had previously gotten past 50. Regardless of the reason, there is finally a point to clicking the 'No Score +1 Bonus box again.'
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I'm surprised to see very little mention of the fact that you can choose your registry. With projects like OPENNIC available to us, we have much more choice than we think. Of course the great challenge is getting an "alternative" domain name system accepted, but this can be done on a server-by-server basis. Alternative DNS systems can co-exist with the mainstream and gain influence until we can overturn the current, corrupt, and f**ked up system.
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But when you add many more TLDs, it becomes much more difficult to get people to remember both a TLD and a 2nd level domain. How are they supposed to know whether to go to mybiz.com, mybiz.biz, mybiz.ebiz, etc.?
Unfortunately, I aside from a select few new TLDs, I don't see many new ones that will actually enter the consumer conscience and become well known.
That's just my opinion, I could be wrong...
three times fast:
.dot was released as a TLD, since it's going to get it many tongues' way...
slashdot.dot
Doesn't that get annoying at one point or another? "Slash-dot-dot-dot"... Honestly I'm surprised that
steal the Usenet ones?
linux.comp
fermilab.sci
slashdot.misc
trolls.rec
etc...
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You're really comparing whatever.com to com/whatever. I don't see the benefits.
Am I the only one seeing this? We have a whole tld allocated for a foodtype? chunky.soup, creamy.soup, crappy.soup?!?!?!?!? It just doesn't fit to me. But .sucks is perfect, I just wonder what'll happen to suck.com.
I think that they should ease up on .int instead. Int is for international organizations formed by a treaty, that's OK, but then, what is meant by an internation organization is then defined to mean only inter-governmental organizations. I'll claim however, that it was never the intention of those who wrote the international law on treatises to come up with a general definition for "international organization". Now, the reason why I'm whining is that YMCA and ESA are not inter-governmental organizations, but yet they've got .int domains. Ain't fair. :-)
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Just so you know, all he'd register is the slashdot.dot domain. Once he has that, he can tack whatever the hell he wants on the beginning. A lookup would first ask the .dot server for who knows about slashdot.dot and then that server, which would be run by the slashteam, could have slash.slashdot.dot, beta.slashdot.dot, goatsex.slashdot.dot, or whatever. You only register the second level name. Microsoft owns all server names that end it microsoft.com. My college can have whatever names they want within wpi.edu.
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
Why should a company only get one TLD? It doesn't need to be three letters long... Let's just open it up and register it the way the domain registrars are set up.
While I like this idea (a lot), I'm concerned that it wouldn't necessarily end abuse, just reshape it.
.alt domain, where anything goes, just like on usenet.
For example, it provides more opportunity for typosquatting, white.house has additional typos of whit.ehouse and whiteh.ouse.
In some sense, you've made the "whitehouse" domain even more scarce, since now it's just "white.house", not "whitehouse.{com,org,net,gov}"... You say they'd be "worthless except as a functional identifier of your enterprise", but this may be the whole problem - now there's essentially only one domain which represents you as "acme.ebusiness". If "acme.e.business" is also gone, and your company's name is "ACME eBusiness", then you're pretty fucked.
Hmmm and you could have wierd things like "w.h.i.t.e.h.o.u.s.e"... Definately needs quite a bit more thought, I think.
I do however love the idea of a
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On a more humorus note, I am surprised that no one recommended .tld for a TLD.
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While the hierarchy for domain names may look like a file system to us most people don't make that connection. As for fitting with Java's name space, who gives a rat's arse?
1) Leave the domain structure as it is; it's heirarchial; anyone is free to expan beneath their current domain as much as they want.
2) Come up with a NEW lookup service for the WWW. DNS was *NOT* invented for the WWW. IT was not designed with this kind of use in mind.
You forgot .beer.
Allowing an of wide variety of names to be used as tld's makes them no longer than useful for figuring out what kind of site you're going to, so why not eliminate them all together? People who are intimidated by the internet would find an address like microsoft much more friendly than microsoft.com.
Care about freedom?
I'd rather be lucky than good.
.home (ianbicking.home -- only registration by individuals of their own name or variation on their name... maybe a different TLD, though... .person)
What about all those John Smiths? Peter Muellers? You'd have to append a number as 4th level domain, which will look ugly:
344.john.smith.home
Yuck! Lots of people want homepages with their nicks in the name:
1.cmdrtaco.home
Those names make a fine hierarchy, but they look butt-ugly... (IMHO) And if you want to visit a person's homepage, you would again have something that you cannot memorize: a number (given that you have no problems with the name itself).
It's a winner.
Who wouldn't surf over to www.slashdot.likeItUsedToBe, www.kuro5hin.likeItUsedToBe, www.deja-news.likeItUsedToBe, or even www.theWholeDamnWeb.likeItUsedToBe?150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for slashdot.sig (129323052 bytes).
What you seem to want is better WAP support from sites. That's a different issue and making wap a TLD won't help that issue as no one will force companies to register *.wap or to use it even if they do register it.
I think the ICANN would do well bringing some order in the current 'Domain Chaos' before adding new Domains. I'll give you some samples. In Germany every Domain has the ending '.de'. In England or Israel you have endings like '.co.uk' or '.co.il' for companies and other endings for other Institutions, which is actually the best Solution and should be used in every country. The U.S. don't even have an own Domain (okay, there is '.us', but there is hardly somebody using it), so they use '.gov' for Government and '.edu' for educational Instituions, which is unfair as compared to other countries. '.gov' should be available for the UNO, NATO and other similar institutions. The ICANN must invent a fair system for Domains toface the Future.
Make the number of TLDs unlimited.
You could register under any TLD you wanted.
The catch: you can't own the TLD and can't stop someone else from using it.
So if I registered "FUJINON.BINOCULARS", somebody else could register "KOWA.BINOCULARS".
The reason people register more domains than they need is that second level domains under ".COM" are a very limited resource and therefore much more valuable than the registration fee. Talk to any business consultant and you'll find strategic cybersquatting is standard business practice.
If second level domains where many thousands of times more numerous then the value of any one is that much less. Thus while a domain like "ebusiness.com" is valuable under the current system, the name "acme.ebusiness" would be worthless except as functionally as an identifier for your enterprise.
While the root servers may have to be rearchitected, this solution would be transparent to all domain clients.
The biggest problem I could see is with TLDs that are synonymous with a company (e.g. ".IBM"). I'd say those folks could stay under "IBM.COM", or could register several second level domains under ".IBM", such as "computers.ibm" and "services.ibm".
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Nom is French for name, so you could have johnsmith.nom and 5551212.tel as your personal domains. Of course, there would be a lot of other John Smith's who want the johnsmith.nom domain, so I think the .tel is a better idea.
On a related note, the US post office is creating a email address for every mail recipient in the US. it will consist of your 9-digit zip, followed by the last two digits of your street address or apartment number, and your first and last initial. So Bill Clinton's is bc20502000100@usps.gov
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WTF is wrong with wap.slashdot.org? WAP is a protocol - it belongs at the front.
...I dunno what it is. It certainly isn't unbiased.
.dubai, as recommended by "Dubai Technologies"? .kids, suggested by both "DotKids, Inc." and ".KIDS Domains, Inc.", among others? .africa?
This is just the same old tired crowd of cybersquatters, speculators and egotists waiting for ICANN to fire its gun into the air.
And, I would really like to get my hands on such a domain....
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Proposed by none other than Dubai Technology, Electronic Commerce and Media Free Zone Authority, whatever the hell that is supposed to be. Where is the .conceited? I want .russleonard! Even the best suggestions on the list are questionable (I kinda liked .home for a few seconds). Hardly any are reasonable suggestions for TOP LEVEL domains. I just can't get over it: .dubai! Do they propose to host a massive amount of different sites that require special "Dubai" distinction? I have never even heard of Dubai Technology and [blah blah blah] company! Gee why not .netcom or .aol or .earthlink? /rant
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Solely so Malda could have a URL of slash dot dot dot.
What do I do, when it seems I relate to Judas more than You?
Still not dead.
And if he did, why isn't it on this list?
.inc gave me the idea that they should add corp, gmbh, ltd, tm, etc. and restrict those domains to corporations whose name contains the relevant tld, then kick all the trademark lawyers out of the rest of the domains (like com, org, net)
That and have some sort of mechanism to prevent registration of both foo.inc and foo.sucks by the same company (or wholly owned subsidiaries)
Seriously, we already have a bunch of people in my fairly small extended family with affleck.com, affleck.org, and affleck.net, which is not fair, if you think about it. Adding .per just gives us one more to squabble over.
.home - I know two John Affleck's in my immeadiate family, are they supposed to be john.affleck.home and john2.affleck.home and even then it's not fair.
.per, it has to be a workable string, like john.affleck.wa2.per and john.affleck.fla.per, but with the domain resolvable only at the discrete level, so noone owns affleck.per or john.affleck.per, since they are multiples.
And don't get me started on
if we're going to implement
Luckily for me I've got a hyphen in my name, so I can discretely own my last name as a domain, even if the rest of my relatives are SOL.
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.sex is lame. .adult would be way more "professional".
I saw Jim at the sex bookstore!
I saw Jim at the adult bookstore!
Er... you forgot "slash." Who says a TLD can't be 0x00?
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1. protocol
4. subdomain (...)
3. domain
2. TLD
5. root
6. subdirectories
etc.
How more ass-backwards can you get? Somebody please tell me there was some reason for this other than crack?
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i think a max of 3 characters should be set...i mean, c'mon! if not things will get out of control... i can see possibly 4, but really...3 makes more sense...
.comonyawannalayme TLD some day if things dont get under wraps...
i can see a
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While we'd appreciate the free book, I think you may be the one who needs to be brought up to speed if you think that there is a technical barrier to running several new TLDs. Name.Space has been operating a registry for 500+ new TLDs for 4 years now with no complaints from BIND. The FUD that we used to see from the likes of NSI about new TLDs breaking the internet is just that: FUD. There are thousands of domains operating in these new TLDs without a hiccup. You can see them for yourself by pointing your DNS servers to 209.48.2.11, 206.86.247.30, or one of Name.Space's 7 other globally diverse nameservers. Several ISPs have made the switch. Name.Space _IS_ the sort of alternative root system that people have been asking for on Slashdot everytime this pops up. If enough people express interest in a new domain which is generic and useful, then Name.Space will add it to the root. It's that simple.
Name.Space does not assert exclusive 'ownership' of the new TLDs, only a right to publish under them. It may look like a land grab when placed on a list of land-grabbers on that ICANN site, but it most certainly is not.
As for your point about domain-squatting vultures,
Name.Space doesn't support domain squatting or registrations on famous names. Name.Space will not allow a domain to be resold. Which domains are Name.Space squatting on?
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There's already a .at (Austria), go to town...
where's .web?
With new TLDs, every company is going to register in any TLD they can. This will lead to exactly the same problem.
This is exactly what will happen if TLDs are brought in 1, 2, or 3 at a time, with totally meaningless three-letter names. This is one of the strongest reasons why Name.Space has pushed to open up hundreds of new TLDs, with meaningful extensions. If you decide to make TLDs which are actually specific enough to do their job of segmenting the domain space, then you need lots of them.. The more specific, the more you need.. And there is no reason not to add hundreds of them. No reason at all... This is probably the only way will avert a landgrab and a goldrush in the new domain space.
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If you just drop the TLD, then whoever gets "FOO" has a value commodity that puts us all in the same mess we're in now. Worse even, since there would be only one FOO. And only the owner of .FOO could creste subdomains in foo. Unlimited TLDs, while still requiring registrations to consist of DOMAIN+TLD, keeps choices open by devaluing the inherent worth of any particular TLD.
is .wap the new domain for Italy? They must
have run out of the .it names already.
.movie (since every movie wants its own domain name... cell.movie, excorcist.movie, etc.
buy.movie would be dumb, though, and I'd hope they'd keep them out. Maybe .film, definately not both) .museum (field.museum) .law (kurneysmithjones.law or something) .sex (obviously) .game (starcraft.game, etc... only actual games, not sites about games) .coop (wedge.coop) .home (ianbicking.home -- only registration by individuals of their own name or variation on their name... maybe a different TLD, though... .person) .alt (free for all! But it can't mirror any other TLD)
Ones that might be good are:But .web, .dvd, .pro, .biz, .wap, etc., are simply dumb. They are totally ambiguous -- how do you know if something should be a .com, .biz, .ecom, etc? I would be rightfully concerned if I had mybusiness.com and someone else registered mybusiness.ecom. The other TLDs have to actually mean something, and be exclusive of the generic online-business/zine/community/whatever that is .com/.org/.net. If someone registered mybusiness.hotel, it wouldn't really matter to me.
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Then the big corporations like microsoft.FUD and sun.FUD would have their own play space.
Now that's an interesting bet.
Does anyone know what power the company will have over their TLD?
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Actually i'm kinda worried that might really happen. Could lead to nasty censorship. imagine if all adult sites had to be in .sex...i think shortly after we'd see some isps blocking that whole tld. .kids would be good, b/c i doubt an isp would block that, and parents could know for sure if the site was kid friendly.
They don't even mean anything anymore. .GOV and .EDU are the only correct TLDs anymore.
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Uhm, who would stop me from registering all kinds of .kids domains and starting porn sites on them? ...
No-one, that's the whole problem with blocking TLDs, it only works when people play by the rules, wake up call: they don't
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I'd like a couple of "meta-tld's"; .biz and .free (say). All commercial URI's under the former and non-profit sites under the other. And have it enforced.
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I was struck by a whacky idea yesterday - how about a '.lan', used to designate a 'local area network' domain (essentially the .tld counterpart to the 192.168.x.x, etc. non-routable IP addresses). In practice, software would be set up to treat any .lan names as 'if it's not in /etc/hosts or on a dns with a non-routable (i.e. on the lan) IP address, don't bother querying any further'.
Potentially useful, or am I an idiot? :-) )
(And, yes, perhaps that's not an 'or' question
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Companies who wanted to farm TLDs would just spin off many microcompanies. It's cheap to be a microcompany.
What definition of a 'company' would you use? SEC "C-Corporation"? LLC? Aunt Gertrude's Bead Jewelry Enterprises? How about international definitions of companies?
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How about .gay? That way we can segregate ourselves into obilvion.
Trolls, it must be cool to be that bored.
Wouldn't dot@atdot.org be more symetrical? especially if atdot@dotat.org isn't an option.
OpenNIC, the Democratic Name System, has a .null TLD that is often compared to alt. of Usenet.
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...the new web browser feature to block out DNS entries with specific TLDs. I don't know about you, but I redirect all the damn ad pages to 127.0.0.1 in my /etc/hosts file (that is, E:\WINNT\System32\drivers\etc\hosts, hehe). Doubleclick should be forced to use the TLD of .ads. That way, we can block them out at will.
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Of course international users are more used to this with all the country code TLDs outthere...
Just my two cents.
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Well, if we let commercial sites use .org, then commercial porn sites should be allowed to use .com or .org too.
Remember that the purpose of names is to make hosts easier to remember, instead of using numbers. It makes it easier to find things, not easier to block things. If I have a not-specifically-sex site, and I post a rant that contains the word "fuck" too many times, or a raytraced picture of a simulated woman with big bouncy hooters, am I going to have to worry about the government telling me to move my site to another domain? I better not.
This TLD stuff is not a replacement for filters and ratings. It is not mneumonic purposes only!
BTW, is it just me, or does .xxx seem stupid? .sex is much better, since it is descriptive. "Sex" refers to reproduction and the enjoyable sensations that mother nature gave us to trick us into reproducing. Whereas "XXX" just refers to an obsolete rating that the MPAA used to assign. My guess is that most people who are looking for porn, are completely uninterested in the MPAA.
"Yeah, everything on this site is XXX. We ran every JPEG by the MPAA, and they said that none of them qualified for an R."
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Heh, org.dot@atdot.org would be even better. :)
Sadly, it's already taken, along with all the other good ones like dot, atdot, atat, etc.
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ICM Registry, Inc. wants both .kids, and .xxx, and nothing else. I am sure congress is going to have a field day with this one.
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Ok, so there is .group and there is .sex but where do I look if I'm interested in group sex?
> having both .sex and .xxx is a bit redundant
.sex implemented. `Sex' is a larger category, and would classify things like sex education, which IMHO should be rated differently from from pornography [which would be the field of endeavor of the .xxx domain].
But not completely redundant. There are some important differences which is why I wouldn't like to see
There a difference between a sex education column for teenagers, and adult products site, a community for hedonists, and a porno site. Though, as with all other TLDs, that distinction is blurry. A fundamentalist christian would perhaps find the sex education column to be pornographic, other fiond the use of marital aids offensive, and sites like nerve.com bl;ur the lines between erotica and porn.
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How about actually reading a story before writing a summary about it next time? But, if someone at /. did that, then it wouldn't be a /. post now would it?
Kinda like that proofreading story a few days ago...
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.xxx is because that way the sites that believe they are pornography [ie, persiankitty type sites] can use their .xxx domain as an advertising tool, and those who'd prefer not to see these sites get the option to ban at least those who label themselves as porn, but not all sex related sites per se [and prevent access to what may be some valuable information]. For example, a high school could ban all .xxx access, but if .sex existed [and they decided to ban it], they would be throwing out info about contraceptives.
The reason why I prefer
.aids? .shoes?
The whole point of the DNS is to create a hierarchial naming system. If the roots of the hierarchy are going to be this numerous, it defeats the point of having a TLD at all.
What is needed is for the people buying domain names *cough*corporations*cough* to stick to the suitable hierarchy. Owning ford.org is perfectly legitimate if I happen to run the Betty Ford center. Try to fix the system before you destroy it altogether.
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I was noticing odd applicant names like:
.pro .TV Corporation International
.nom .TV Corporation International
.nom also suggested .pro ...
.nom for anyhow? Why would Concentric, Lycos and some guys in Korea both all want it?
The dotPRO Consortium
The dotNOM Consortium
so I started looking a little closer and this is what I found:
The dotPRO Consortium
130 W. Union Street
Pasadena, California 91103 USA
+1 626 685-4904
a@www.tv
The
130 W. Union Street
Pasadena, California 91103 USA
+1 626 685-4904
a@www.tv
The dotNOM Consortium
130 W. Union Street
Pasadena, California 91103 USA
+1 626 685-4904
a@www.tv
The
130 W. Union Street
Pasadena, California 91103 USA
+1 626 685-4904
a@www.tv
Two identical Addresses from 2 different "organizations" both suggesting the same exact domains... but that's not all folks. Take a closer look and you'll notice that ALL the people that suggested
Lycos, Inc, SK Telecom, XO Communications, Inc. (formerly Concentric Network, OnlineNIC, Inc., 7DC
Wonder what's up with this? WTF is a
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Yes, but the entry requirements are rather high. You have to be an organization founded/recognized by international treaty.
My dream is to have 31337.int.
Would require a little more pull than I have right now though...
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.XXX is actually a fairly good internation description of merdi of an adult nature, and is used over the world by many more organizations than the MPAA.
the common user who one see to help, would be more confused than ever.
but ok, the searchengine business will flourish..
(by the way if there are any major world leaders reading that would be willing to help me out, please email me)
.katz? Then we could filter him as easily as .sex!
How much of a good idea is creating really long TLD's?
.com v.s. .net v.s. .org v.s. .gov etc. do we really want to throw .heylookatthistld out there?
Maybe I'm lame (*probably*) but I think sticking with 3 characters is a Good Thing(tm). Just when the unwashed masses are getting the hang of
In Soviet Russia...michael would be rotting in Siberia!
This brings up the issue of typo TLD squatting. Maybe I don't like Apple Records so I register apple.recodrs with a bunch of FUD about them. However, there's no advantage to having apple.recodrs over, say, spple.records, so it's not any worse than the current system in terms of typo squatting (though it's not any better either). I haven't been bothered too much (or bothered at all for that matter) by typo squatting so far.
nslookup -list software.open.linux.browsers
and get a listing of all the sites and subcategories under that, e.g.
software.open.linux.browsers.galeon
software.open.linux.browsers.mozilla
...
Possibly adding a brief description (possibly keywords as well, although they tend to get abused) of the site to the DNS record.
And you have a massive distributed directory of all websites (except IP address ones), not just the 30% (?) currently indexed by search engines and directories.
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Well, they put binaries in /etc, don't they :-)
There are a set of what are called "top-level domain names" (TLDs). These are the generic TLDs (EDU, COM, NET, ORG, GOV, MIL, and INT), and the two letter country codes from ISO-3166. ( RFC 1591)
TheAssume, for arguments sake that the Golan Heights declare themselves an independent nation, are internationally accepted, and ISO assign them a ISO 3166-1-Alpha-2 code of GO. Since ICANN assign ccTLDs based on the ISO-3166 list, this would cause an obvious conflict. This is precisely the reason all the gTLDs are three letters long and ccTLDs two letters long. Obviously those people in Dubai didn't have their thinking caps on. Allowing
Oh yeah, and before anyone mentions it, the very next line from RFC 1591 is "It is extremely unlikely that any other TLDs will be created.". Just goes to show...
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Why put any limit on the number of tld's? If a company or organization or whatever is willing to sponsor a tld and act as the database for looking up tld addresses etc then why not let them? Just make it so one company can't own more than one tld.
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If you notice some tv ads don't include the http:// part. People assume if it ends in dot-com its a web site. When i see something that ends in more than three letters, I assume its a news group. At least keep it three letters, I mean can you imagine www.DrSmith.medicaldoctor? I do however like the idea of h-t-t-p-colon-slash-slash-slash-dot-dot-dot (http://slashdot.dot)
Everyone knows that its .cool to have a .com . But whatever happened to 2LDs, and does anyone have an inkling of what this is going to do to them?
Take my home country's .za domain for example. We have the usual .org.za and .co.za 2LDs for orgs and cos in South Africa. Simple. But not so simple, because some people didn't like the existing system, and got hold of .za.org and .za.com and started up a separate registry.
Enter .web, .shop, .bank, .dot, .mother, .sister, .dog, and you have a .mess . The intent of the country domains was to have .com, .net and .org as US or international, and everything else in a country domain. This has already gone to all hell, why let it go further?
More TLDs also screw the little guy - so you have an e-shop proferring your petty wares (no, not warez), and you have a limited budget. Do you get a .shop, .com, .eretailer, .biz, .ebiz, .ecom, or all of the above? First pay your registration fee times 6, then your hosting fee times 6, and if you don't then someone is going to use your name with a different TLD.
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I hereby parent the .patent TLD
Any patents that get any exposure on the web, or involve internet technology must hereby pay me a royalty ;)
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This is probably a moot point by now, but in my opinion allowing new TLDs to vary in length is not a good idea. I'm reminded of when the FCC started expanding area codes, and some PBXes were unable to place calls to those numbers because the second digit of the area code was not a 1 or 0. I can't help but wonder just how much software out there depends on the TLD being exactly 3 letters (or 2 for ccTLDs) and will break with confronted with www.disney.kids or www.barnesandnoble.store.
It'd be cool to create a new country on a little island with a name like that, just to start selling domains..
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You did not look hard enough, its there.
How about .hack?
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As in New York City? What happened to .ny.us.whatever?
For the most part, the pther requests seem even and measured, thoguh I might urge some consolidation (eg, having both .sex and .xxx is a bit redundant; same goes for some of the other categories)
But Name.Space looks like the largest group of domain-squatting vultures I've seen. I'm thinking they should be unilaterally rejected just to prove a point.
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It's about time this happened. If all pornographic sites would move to .xxx or .sex then blocking objectionable content would be simple. All it would take to keep kids away from the stuff is a switch in the browser: "Block .xxx domains."
The question that will inevitably come up is, is it wrong to force adult sites to move to a new TLD?
Look at June 2000: someone's done it.
Yes, I know, but dot@dotat.at is already gone. So is atdotcom@dotcomat.com.
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why not .amazon and .slashdot while we're at it
.c0m and .n3t should do it :)
This is just like television, only you can see much further.
Why should they pay you anything?
It's your silly broken software..
The world changes.. Deal with it.
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.sansansan
Nice TLDs, indeed
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.three33? .sansansan?
I thought TLD's are supposed to be categorical, for general use applications. I'd like to know what the crackheads at Rathbawn Computers Limited are thinking of doing with these...
Someone should tell them to go register a couple of SLD and quit wasting their $50k.
Instead, let's use names like http://wap.slashdot.org.
So let me get this straight- some company in New York or San Diego gets to decide how to classify content on the web? That's nuts! IFLA or the Library of Congress should be the ones deciding new categories of information, not "Name.Space, Incorporated". .shoes? C'mon!
.dot is there -- it's under the section proposed by JVTeam, LLC. So if .dot becomes a TLD, how do you register slashdot? Is it slashdot.dot or slash.dot? I prefer the former, then you can register dot.slashdot.dot and slash.slashdot.dot. Too bad no one's proposed a .slash TLD; then you could have slashdot.slash and dot.slashdot.slash.
.god domain hasn't made it into the proposed lists. Anybody know what gives there?
BTW, I notice that Joe Baptista's
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Perhaps .dotdot
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See, a person is left hanging, waiting for the punch line, the ending threat, but on the sly, you find it's an actual website...
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What we've aparently got now is ICANN creating a horde of mega-squatters who can afford it. And now that we've finally gotten control of the registry away from NSI, we're going to have a whole bunch of little registrar monopolies shooting up offering domains under their space. (Excepting those that just want it to have their own TLD just for them). You can bet that they aren't going to be as competitive as the ones offering .[net|org|com] are right now.
The big companies will just buy company.*, which defeats the point. If you actually manage to buy Microsoft.sux before they do, they'll just sue you into oblivion anyway.
Lastly, there's alot of software out there that validates hostnames by some pretty specific rules. 4+ character TLDs with dashes and numbers are going to break all that. Are the companies that just bought .my1st-tld going to pay me for the time it takes to fix those checks in my company's software?
This
Some of .uk is still something other than a cesspit. A given company gets exactly one .ltd.uk - the name of the limited company, as registered at Companies House. (Likewise for .plc/PLCs) .ltd.uk deserves more recognition as a nice, well-regulated part of the namespace.
.it also to some degree.
.se is similarly tightly controlled, and
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Making .kids and .sex TLD's is a great idea, but is there any proposed way to enforce that a site like young.kids doesn't become an under aged porn site?
how would you tell someone that your URL is dot.dot.dot without spelling it out?
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There is no reasonable defense against an idiot with an agenda
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Does it frighten anyone else that a few applicants applied for *both* [.kids|.fam] and .xxx ?
What about .orama?
Some of these just seem silly. Actually, a lot do...
.org isn't big enough for 'em?
.com. I'm not sure what that would be, short of legislative action, however, and that'd have to be done through treaties or agreements between all registrars...
".three33" ?
".air" -- what, now industry-specific domains?
".cool" -- Um, right.
".museum" -- why, oh why, would they need an entire TLD ? What,
A lot just seemed aimed at grabbing a piece of the pie -- especially coming from those corps that appear to be registrars, and choose a TLD named after themselves. And the folks at Name.Space, well, my thoughts on them aren't exactly polite...
But some are interesting.
".global" -- makes sense for multinats orgs/corps.
".mobile" -- Hrm. Perhaps.
".kids" -- Hm. If they have a decent TOS/AUP requirement to allow booting the obvious kiddie-porn domains...
".xxx" -- if there's an incentive for porn operators to use it, rather than just
Only the dead have seen the end of war.
Let's stop talking about this, and let's get it done. This process is taking MUCH too long. We should have had new .tlds a LONG time ago.
-cfm
Just wondering: why are TLDs limited? Why can't I buy a TLD like I can buy any other domain? Having your own TLD would no longer force you to buy domain names under TLDs in order to prevent abuse of your name and the like. Sure, giving away a new TLD from time to time is a nice revenue source.
At the beginning was at.
There's some very good suggestions in here, but some downright silly ones. I'm surprised that ".ego", ".l33t" and ".patented" didn't rate a mention.
.net and .org commercial sites.)
I'm amused by "other portions of application claimed confidential" - a confidential TLD kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it? (And what the heck are ".sansansan" and ".three33" supposed to be?)
Being able to filter out all ".ad" sites would be nice, but I doubt you'll ever keep the TLDs focused enough for that (just look at the
".nyc" is rather narrow focused, but was suggested a number of times. Perhaps ".(three letter airport code)" would be a more useful set of international TLDs.
e.g. "Theater" and "Center".
Sorry, but I can't help but wonder if the British spellings of these words aren't in more widespread use.
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Some of those companies will have to change their names if they don't get the TLDs... DotKids, Inc, and dotlaw come to mind.
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What about a new TLD .id for all id software games? :) .id, ICANN would see we really needed it. =)
There are TLDs for countries like Liechtenstein (.li) or Luxemburg (.lu)...
countries that are so small that they have, like, 10 servers using the TLDs... (no offense
But if we moved all sites about id software games to
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Where the hell is .linux?
Or .hacker or something??
Us hackers (geeks???) should have our own TLD.
What do YOU think?
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With new TLDs, every company is going to register in any TLD they can. This will lead to exactly the same problem.
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I had to respond to at least one of these comments like this.. .art domains
It will not solve domain problems like penicillin used to solve many infections, but that doesn't mean it isn't going help.
There are big differences in how things work now and how they could (and to some degree will without question) work with this system.
Right now, with very few TLD's (except for the almost unusable country codes), a company could more easily make the argument that their organization on the net is also a commercial business.. : P
With many more TLD, it would be much harder to make those arguments. So for example in your example, if Amazon contests a native held amazon.tribes, their argument would hold no water. In any case, the basis of ownership is exclusivity.. The basis of capitalism is invention.. Companies have shown lots of in recent years coming up with names that are catchy and easy to remember, even while the dictionary names disappeared.. Are you worried about amazon.sex, even though you were there and they had none.. Anyway, I could ramble about that for a while, but I don't see that squatting is going to happen nearly as much as today (relative amounts that is)
Yes it would be great if companies and people who had nothing to do with commerce, networks or non-profits didn't buy them, but it is also much easier to do now with only 3 major TLDs to horde.
Why don't we put together a blue ribbon panel.. no an Inquisition.. and we'll put you as the head and you will check each application to make sure that porn shops aren't trying to buy
Good enough for government work........
Sectioning off of the web by content concerns you? You mean like with internet providers having sites that end in .net? And companies having sites that end in .com?
.ads tld and the porn sites had to end with .xxx then I would be able to control my browser, which is something I should be able to do now, by blocking those extensions. What sucks more than what you're afraid of is the current system whereby you a) personally review every cookie, which is a pain in the ass and a job better done by a machine or b) let doubleclick track your movements across their affiliate sites. Cookies were only supposed to be accepted from the site you are at. Not from doubleclicks remote servers. This was not enforced or built into the system. Well here's a possible way to fix that. I don't mind looking at doubleclick's ads. But i don't want to be tracked by them, period. I'm in favor of anything that empowers the user to control their experience, and i think this does that.
I do see your point about censorware. But really, I am personally sick of being redirected to porn sites, having them pop up a billion ads etc. Also sick of sites that host doubleclick or whatever sneaking their cookies onto my machine. If the ad companies had to serve up ads from a
Don't they realize that no matter how many TLDs they add, companies are still going to buy them. Amazon will buy amazon.stupidfuckingtld if they have to just so that nobody else has it.
.ORGs and only ISPs could have .NETs, but that won't happen any time soon.
The real solution would be to limit the number of domains that people can have, but we know that won't happen, and if it did it would only hurt smaller people and the big companies would find a loophole in it.
I wish we could make it so that companies couldn't have
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while we're thinking about this, '. ' [ie dot, or dot space] seems to be a well formed TLD, so we could have slash.
.....well it works for me
.sex, .xxx domains seem to be a good idea, and should avaoid all those 'accidental' visits to porn sites
On a more serious note the
If I choose to not go to any site ending in .xxx or .sex, why shouldn't i be allowed to implement that decision? There will probably be some kids who find themselves censored. But personally i'm more concerned about the darned involuntary redirects and 200 extra opening windows that i really really don't ever want to experience again. As someone said earlier - if someone else tells me i can't see it, it's censorship. If I choose it, it's a preferences menu.
It's a hard job, but someone's got to do it... My karma's already at the 50 cap, so I think I'm qualified. I'm your man.
.kids, .sex, .dot, .biz, .dvd..., instead of just timewarner.com, .net, and .org. Kind of defeats the purpose. Should there be limits on how many domains any one company can own? That would also help do something about those Domain Whores out there.
Signal 11, we salute you!
OK, just so this isn't totally OT, will anybody be enforcing the new TLDs better than the ones we have now? If not, it just means that Time Warner will take timewarner.tv,
Maybe I should start a new nickname as the successor to Signal 11. How about Kill -9?
Woohoo. Now I can firewall off an entire TLD!
Are domains this specific any use? Amazon aren't going to make it their default, since they do more than books. Nobody is going to guess "do they sell product <foobar>" by guessing TLDs now, are they?
Mmm... good, wholesome marketese. Or do they mean people who don't want to do homework should search here?
As in sugar?
Bagsy "is" :)
Seriously though. TLDs like these aren't useful. Being able to see what sites are in a category is useful. That's why the open directory works, it helps you find stuff. Being able to see what categories a site is in is of questionable value, seeing as you could just go to that site and find out.
I like the "a", "2", and "d" from Home Alone, myself. Yours had class, though, I'll give it that.
Someone was concerned that this could create more confusion if a particular site is a .com, .org, or .net. It won't. Why? If enough new TLD's are created then the meaning of TLD will be destroyed. For example if things were setup right you could visit 'coke' instead of 'coca-cola.com'. If you look at the list you will see several TLDs for specific companies, not general categories (.dubai, .yp, etc). Of couse this might take some client hacking to make it work.
Oh come on, you are all such a bunch of weenies (whoops, -1, flamebait, can't accuse me of being a karma whore).
.dot" it's quite obvious he's saying "I don't get why someone would want to sponser a lame tld like .dot".
When he said "I don't see
Of course, all the weenies and whiners want to immediately jump up and prove how superior they are by pointing out "doh... it's right there" thus proving their own weenieness.
Haven't you ever heard of giving people the benefit of the doubt? Sheesh, people, get a clue. They're on sale right now, a whole box of clues for a buck ninety-five, so you'd better stock up.
S I T E
great comedy company.
a TLD specifically for Sysadmins... .god would be awesome...
It could be used for religous sites too...maybe.
The anti-salmon
So, is CmdrTaco going to grab slashdot.dot? Or slash.dot?
Dracos
"Time flies when you're procrastinating."
.FUD
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Chief Frog Inspector
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Which of the United States' 50 "big government bodies" known as the Dept. of Transportation would get the TLD? I think the Commandante is hoping for the "Domain of Tacos."
Eloi are stupid, throw morlocks at them!
It's a TLA.....
Ok, lame joke...
Most folks seem to think it stands for Wireless Application Protocol.
I think there should be a
Y?
If administration of TLDs is delegated to 1 commercial entity for each of these new TLDs, as is the case with most country TLDs, we will be taking a step backwards. There should be 1 international group, ICANN, which manages TLDs. Extend upon that an 'open' method of domain registration for accredited registrars and we have ourselves a very nice open system not owned in any way by commercial organisations. Does anyone else have any insights on how this will be done/should be done?
Regards
then you have to worry about the pronounciation. slash dot dot (sounds like colon slash slash, yes?)
.dot, it would be http://slashdot.dot as in:
That's the whole point. When slashdot was first around you couldn't go to www.slashdot.org (well... it redirected you to remove the www). The whole point of the name "slashdot" is the annoying pronounciation. Say the whole URL out loud:
H T T P SLASH SLASH SLASH DOT DOT ORG
If he had
H T T P COLON SLASH SLASH SLASH DOT DOT DOT
I think its a great idea! I think it would be great for everyone with a device that uses wap to have a place that they can definately go.
Will these companies have exclusive rights to those TLDs? If not, this seems kinda stupid. Not that having exclusive rights to a TLD makes much practical sense, either.
.net, .com. and .org at the same time. If we add more TLDs, then these same people will buy up as many names as they can.
Right now, people who are aggressive in their pursuit of domain namespace will grab
If they don't you can bet that whoever grabs disney.sex or microsoft.sucks will get slapped with a suit.
We'll see even more namespace squabbling, even more lawsuits, even more domain grabs, and the only ones to really benefit will be marketdroids pitching TLDs to clients.
Bah!
If we're going this far, why not just hand the whole thing over to RealNames and do away with TLDs altogether.
Humbug!
-dwd-
along with:
.info (that's helpful!)
.site (oh, and I thought it was a domain?)
.spot (every dog has it's domain)
.surf (what about the hydophobic?)
.web (spiders are insects too!)
.kids and .xxx (hmmmm, makes you wonder what kind of sites they want to put up).
Applied for by: JVTeam, LLC
The funniest to me is the Canadian who wants there to be a
Going on means going far
Going on means going far
Going far means returning
Has anyone else noticed that most of these TLDs are really short-sighted and are of far more limited use than the current ones? ie are things like .radio and .dvd really going to make sense in a few years? And how wide is their true range of use? It seems to me that only generic, widely usable TLDs should be allowed, otherwise the whole thing gets confusing (people have a hard enough time remember whether something is .com, .org, or .net now, imagine trying to work out whether it's .free, .radio, .dvd, .kids, or .men!) Plus so many people assume everything ends with ".com" now that they are going to misunderstand and think you mean "playground.kids.com" rather than "playground.kids" which by the way just sounds really weird.
who suggest their own name as a tld.
.dubai domain!!
I've always wanted a
(actually im holding out for insi.pid)
wisconsin does not exist.
DNS servers, well BIND at least, must forward all requests to a forwarding server or a root server regarding domains for which they do not have authority. To block whole TLDs would require a custom named.
It's STD0013, section 5.3.3.
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
If I remember right, .nom is supposed to be for personal sites. Why was this chosen?
.sum (Latin for "I am") would be a more appropriate choice; IANALS (I Am Not A Latin Student), but unless I'm mistaken, something like "millennium.sum" is even gramatically correct, the dot notwithstanding.
Seems to me,
Just a nit to pick...
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This will be cool. It will change the face of the internet big time. Not everyone will want a .com anymore. Although it will make finding things more difficult. No more picking a random word dealing with the topic you're interested in and putting .com after it to get a site. I'll have to actually use search engines...Noooooo!
But then again, we all know what happened to .org ;)
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Note: On 3 October 2000, we revised this list to add two mistakenly omitted applications and to make minor corrections to some TLD and applicant data.
Is the date now becoming another ICANN assigned number??
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Guillaume
give me all your garmonbozia
What conclusions can be drawn from the fact that one registrar wanted both .kids and .xxx?
.teens too...
I guess they want to clearly delineate websites for adults and those for children, but howlong before we see someone registering nude.kids?
At least they didn't ask for
Z.
-- Under/Overrated is meta-moderation, and therefore is Redundant.
I cannot imagine any company or organization using exclusively .wap
Here are some useful new domain names. dot.dot and dash.dot
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: domains should be regulated so the only entities capable of getting .com, .org, and .net should be global entities--90% of the current ones should be moved to .co.us, .org.us, .net.us, .mil.us, .gov.us, etc. There shouldn't even be the OPTION of having momscookiesofindiana.com. We should stop wasting the namespace and translate all the existing wastes of namespace into nation-based domains to save room for truly global things (ie, you would have ibm.com, but whitehouse.gov.us)
No, I believe that .wap stands for Wireless Application Protocol. Which makes no sense, considering that alot of web pages that can be accessed by your cell phone or palm forgo the www. for .wap
For example wap.slashdot.org, speaking of wap.slashdot...when will /. be available to WAP browsers Taco?(or is it already?)
--Chris
That'd be 187.64.230.78
Well, Pi * 10^9, anyway.
...if every Tom, Dick and Harry didn't want to have their own domain for their web pages. In the good old days only the major hosts had their own domains and everyone else just had a home page off it. (eg. http://www.ic.ac.uk/~abc99) Now companies like www.freenetname.co.uk give domains away for free (as in with catches) and everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon. I think that naming domains along the same lines as newsgroups is good. Yes - I know it's not compatible with the current DNS system - but you could easily implement an alternative mechanism.
Shouldn't we be getting ready for an intergalactic network? After all, /usr/src/linux/net/ipv4/tcp_timer.c has this to say:
* PAWS allows us longer timeouts and large windows, so once
* implemented ftp to mars will work nicely. We will have to fix
* the 120 second clamps though!
Any comments?
Philip
Do not underestimate the value of print statements for debugging.
Seems a little dumb to stick with the Ascii charater set, why not expand DNS/Domain names to support unicode so that people/organisations in various countries can devise address schemes to suit them and their target audience?
There allready exists a naming scheme for classification based on subject. We use it in Usenet.
.comp for computer related
.soc for societal
.rec for recreation
ect...
The system could be modified, to make it more relavant, but why not start with something everyone knows?
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