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GET YOUR SOURCE CODE HERE! by Lurking+Grue · 2000-01-24 11:05 · Score: 1 · on Jon Johansen Indicted by the MPA(A)

FIGHT NOW, OR DON'T COMPLAIN LATER!!!

NOTE: For the uninitiated, this program is used for legally viewing dvd movies which you have purchased.

That does it by m0nkyman · 2000-01-21 11:53 · Score: 1 · on RIAA Sues MP3.com

Although a Canadian citizen, and not in a good position to fight this, I am absolutely infuriated at the RIAA et al. The DeCSS is now the only item on my web page and I now have absolutely zero qualms about illegal MP3 trading. I will for the rest of my life do my best to make sure that not one penny of my money will go to those greedy bastards. I have been involved in promoting live music since 1981, and am in utmost sympathy with actual artists creating work. I have NO sympathy for corporate leeches stealing their money and mine.

Mirrors part 1 by Anonymous Coward · 2000-01-19 02:42 · Score: 0 · on Corel Draw 9 for Linux Needs Beta Testers

Visit Humpin! (No, it's not what you think!)

Temporary restraining order DENIED!

Thanks to the efforts of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the organization and support provided by a few of our fellow defendants we are still here! Another hearing is scheduled for January 14th.

We would like to point out to all of the mirror sites with things like "fuck the lawyers" on them that it is because of a generous group of lawyers that we are still here. These lawyers are working for free (or much less than they could get by going over to the Dark Side) and don't deserve this kind of abuse.

Here is the EFF's stance on this case.

Save a copy of this web page now!

We have just been informed that the DVD Copy Control Association is seeking a restraining order against us (named as "Doe 28") for distributing DeCSS and linking to pages that distribute it and linking to pages that link to pages that distribute it.

Section 48 of this request states that we supposedly "have received notice through the MPA and refused to remove the information at issue". This is absolutely false! We have never received any such request (from the MPA or anybody else for that matter) and we obviously were not given the opportunity to refuse! Either Jared Bobrow needs to go back to law school or the DVD CCA needs to get a new firm. This is the kind of sloppy work that could get an important document thrown out.

Here is a 2600 story on this.

Explanation on legality of this information

The software (source as well as binaries) offered on this site can be freely redistributed because it was published under the GNU General Public License. The purpose of this software is not illegal copying of DVD disks. It is meant to provide information necessary to be able to program a DVD player for Linux. To do this, the CSS system needs to be incorporated in the player. Recently the (very weak) DVD content scrambling system was deciphered, freeing the way for a Linux DVD player. The CSS system is not a copy protection system, since it does not prevent copying of the disk. Writing information about the way an encryption scheme functions is completely legal. The source code and binaries on this site are completely legal too, since they contain no code from the DVD consortium or its members. The sources and programs on this site were written by third parties using clean-room reverse engineering methods which are (ready?) completly legal.

Attention www.rhythm.cx was hosting a list of mirrors for these files. That list of mirrors has been replaced with a page reading "This site has been taken down for legal reasons." Here's what the maintainer put on the site the day it was shut down:

NOTE (Thu, Nov 11, 12:17pm EST): I've recently been informed that a law firm which is likely to be one that would try get these mirrors taken down has been visiting this mirror site as well as others. With that said, there is a possibility that I may have to remove this site in the near future because like everyone else, I can't afford to go to court to fight it. Luckly, it seems fairly unlikely that any law firm will ever be able to get rid of all these mirrors at this point (there are currently 41 in 8 different countries and this list is growing every day). However, I have only seen very few mirror _lists_ like this one anyplace. If anyone has the resources, it might be wise to mirror this list of mirrors as well so that the right people will still know that these mirrors exist.

Here is a 2600 story with more details on how rhythm.cx was shut down.

Current Mirrors Last updated: Wed, Jan 19, 12:13am EST
Numbers are only for the maintainer's convenience

We apologize for the length of time between updates. This list has gotten quite large and thus more difficult to maintain.

Much thanks to this site for listing mirrors of the mirror lists.

Mirrors part 1 by Anonymous Coward · 2000-01-16 07:10 · Score: 0 · on New DVD Lawsuits Filed by the MPAA (UPDATED)

Note: This mirror list has been copied from http://www.humpin.org/decss/, on January 2nd 2000 13:13 GMT

Mirrors since 28-Dec-99 added by me.
To my main DVD page (containing list of lists of mirrors) Visit Humpin! (No, it's not what you think!)

Temporary restraining order DENIED!

Thanks to the efforts of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the organization and support provided by a few of our fellow defendants we are still here! Another hearing is scheduled for January 14th.

We would like to point out to all of the mirror sites with things like "fuck the lawyers" on them that it is because of a generous group of lawyers that we are still here. These lawyers are working for free (or much less than they could get by going over to the Dark Side) and don't deserve this kind of abuse.

Here is the EFF's stance on this case.
If you need a REAL reason to host these files, try reading this. Truth has never been more purely distilled.

Save a copy of this web page now!

We have just been informed that the DVD Copy Control Association is seeking a restraining order against us (named as "Doe 28") for distributing DeCSS and linking to pages that distribute it and linking to pages that link to pages that distribute it.

Section 48 of this request states that we supposedly "have received notice through the MPA and refused to remove the information at issue". This is absolutely false! We have never received any such request (from the MPA or anybody else for that matter) and we obviously were not given the opportunity to refuse! Either Jared Bobrow needs to go back to law school or the DVD CCA needs to get a new firm. This is the kind of sloppy work that could get an important document thrown out.

Here is a 2600 story on this.

Explanation on legality of this information

The software (source as well as binaries) offered on this site can be freely redistributed because it was published under the GNU General Public License. The purpose of this software is not illegal copying of DVD disks. It is meant to provide information necessary to be able to program a DVD player for Linux. To do this, the CSS system needs to be incorporated in the player. Recently the (very weak) DVD content scrambling system was deciphered, freeing the way for a Linux DVD player. The CSS system is not a copy protection system, since it does not prevent copying of the disk. Writing information about the way an encryption scheme functions is completely legal. The source code and binaries on this site are completely legal too, since they contain no code from the DVD consortium or its members. The sources and programs on this site were written by third parties using clean-room reverse engineering methods which are (ready?) completly legal.

Attention www.rhythm.cx was hosting a list of mirrors for these files. That list of mirrors has been replaced with a page reading "This site has been taken down for legal reasons." Here's what the maintainer put on the site the day it was shut down:

NOTE (Thu, Nov 11, 12:17pm EST): I've recently been informed that a law firm which is likely to be one that would try get these mirrors taken down has been visiting this mirror site as well as others. With that said, there is a possibility that I may have to remove this site in the near future because like everyone else, I can't afford to go to court to fight it. Luckly, it seems fairly unlikely that any law firm will ever be able to get rid of all these mirrors at this point (there are currently 41 in 8 different countries and this list is growing every day). However, I have only seen very few mirror _lists_ like this one anyplace. If anyone has the resources, it might be wise to mirror this list of mirrors as well so that the right people will still know that these mirrors exist.

Here is a 2600 story with more details on how rhythm.cx was shut down.

Current Mirrors Last updated: Fri, Dec 31, 8:18pm EST
Numbers are only for the maintainer's convenience

Much thanks to this site for listing mirrors of the mirror lists.

Actually, I think this is a "good thing" (tm). by bons · 2000-01-11 02:12 · Score: 4 · on AOL Nation

(It's funny, laugh.)
Ummm. nevermind, last time I did that I was marked down as a troll...

Let's face it. One of the great debates over the internet ever since AOL hooked up it's bulliten board is "How do we get away from these idiots?"

Thanks to the merger, we may soon be free.

AOL will be able to offer a lot of content and special deals. They will be able to let you buy your new GM car and check out the TV guide listings. In short, you'll be able to do all the mundane things that the internet is so good at without ever having to go to the actual internet!

And this my friends solves our problem. It's already easy enough to identify people using AOL. This can be done by checking the IP address using Perl or Java and then redirecting people to a "404 page". This has been done by a number of webmasters already due to the actions of numerous AOL users. (Links will not be provided in order to protect identities.)

Soon we can envision two internets. AOL and the old Internet. As usual, AOL will not share the majority of it's content with us, and some of us will not share out content with them (see above). However the tourists will start to fade away as we cease to offer them the lowbrow contents they so greatly desire.

P.S. No, my site is still available to Aol users as it's the only way my parents (both AOL users)can see their grandson.

OOPS - Trying Humpin list again by Anonymous Coward · 1999-12-30 11:08 · Score: 0 · on DVD Hearing Victory: We Won - For Now

You have one bat and there are 100 million holes Visit Humpin! (No, it's not what you think!)

Temporary restraining order DENIED!

Thanks to the efforts of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the organization and support provided by a few of our fellow defendants we are still here! Another hearing is scheduled for January 14th.

We would like to point out to all of the mirror sites with things like "fuck the lawyers" on them that it is because of a generous group of lawyers that we are still here. These lawyers are working for free (or much less than they could get by going over to the Dark Side) and don't deserve this kind of abuse.

Here is the EFF's stance on this case.
If you need a REAL reason to host these files, try reading this. Truth has never been more purely distilled.

Save a copy of this web page now!

We have just been informed that the DVD Copy Control Association is seeking a restraining order against us (named as "Doe 28") for distributing DeCSS and linking to pages that distribute it and linking to pages that link to pages that distribute it.

Section 48 of this request states that we supposedly "have received notice through the MPA and refused to remove the information at issue". This is absolutely false! We have never received any such request (from the MPA or anybody else for that matter) and we obviously were not given the opportunity to refuse! Either Jared Bobrow needs to go back to law school or the DVD CCA needs to get a new firm. This is the kind of sloppy work that could get an important document thrown out.

Here is a 2600 story on this.

Explanation on legality of this information

The software (source as well as binaries) offered on this site can be freely redistributed because it was published under the GNU General Public License. The purpose of this software is not illegal copying of DVD disks. It is meant to provide information necessary to be able to program a DVD player for Linux. To do this, the CSS system needs to be incorporated in the player. Recently the (very weak) DVD content scrambling system was deciphered, freeing the way for a Linux DVD player. The CSS system is not a copy protection system, since it does not prevent copying of the disk. Writing information about the way an encryption scheme functions is completely legal. The source code and binaries on this site are completely legal too, since they contain no code from the DVD consortium or its members. The sources and programs on this site were written by third parties using clean-room reverse engineering methods which are (ready?) completly legal.

Attention www.rhythm.cx was hosting a list of mirrors for these files. That list of mirrors has been replaced with a page reading "This site has been taken down for legal reasons." Here's what the maintainer put on the site the day it was shut down:

NOTE (Thu, Nov 11, 12:17pm EST): I've recently been informed that a law firm which is likely to be one that would try get these mirrors taken down has been visiting this mirror site as well as others. With that said, there is a possibility that I may have to remove this site in the near future because like everyone else, I can't afford to go to court to fight it. Luckly, it seems fairly unlikely that any law firm will ever be able to get rid of all these mirrors at this point (there are currently 41 in 8 different countries and this list is growing every day). However, I have only seen very few mirror _lists_ like this one anyplace. If anyone has the resources, it might be wise to mirror this list of mirrors as well so that the right people will still know that these mirrors exist.

Here is a 2600 story with more details on how rhythm.cx was shut down.

Current Mirrors Last updated: Thu, Dec 30, 2:55am EST
Numbers are only for the maintainer's convenience

Much thanks to this site for listing mirrors of the mirror lists.

This site contains some good technical documentation as well as more source code that the DVD consorium's lawyers would rather you not see:
http://crypto.gq.nu/

Semi-broken Mirrors
(These mirrors sometimes work and sometimes don't)
http://joe.to/storage/files/decss.zip
ftp://eris.giga.or.at/pub/hacker/crypt/ DVD/
http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/files/D eCSS.zip and http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/f iles/css-auth.tar.gz
http://www.discordia.de/decss/DeCSS.zip and http://www.discordia.de/decss/css-aut h_tar.gz and http://www.discordia.de/decss/LiVid.tgz

Broken Mirrors
(These are listed here for the notification of the people who run them)
http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderman/css-auth.ta r.gz
ftp://mikpos.dyndns.org/pub/cssdvd.zip
ftp://195.115.63.44/pub/DeCSS.zip
http://home.c2i.net/buddha9/
http://frodo.campus.luth.se/~iocc/tip.html
http://home.t-online.de/home/skinner01/decss.zip
ftp://ftp.firehead.org/pub/
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/business/avoiderman/
http://www.hack.b3.nu/

Mirrors shut down by The Man
(A moment of silence, please.)
http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/DeCSS.zip
http://dvdcracked.tvheaven.com/index.html
http://home.worldonline.dk/~andersa/download/DeCSS .zip
http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10079-100-143 3209.html?tag=st.dl.10001_104_3.lst.titl edetail
http://www.theresistance.net/files.html
http://cryptome.org/dvd-css.htm
http://www.d.umn.edu/~dchan/css/
http://caspian.twu.net/dvd/
http://mclaughlin.orange.ca.us/~andrew/
ftp://134.173.94.44

Mirrors by Anonymous Coward · 1999-12-29 06:42 · Score: 0 · on DVD Hearing Today - Are You Ready to Rumble?

You have one bat and there are 100 million holes Visit Humpin! (No, it's not what you think!)

Save a copy of this web page now!

We have just been informed that the DVD Copy Control Association is seeking a restraining order against us (named as "Doe 28") for distributing DeCSS and linking to pages that distribute it and linking to pages that link to pages that distribute it.

Section 48 of this request states that we supposedly "have received notice through the MPA and refused to remove the information at issue". This is absolutely false! We have never received any such request (from the MPA or anybody else for that matter) and we obviously were not given the opportunity to refuse! Either Jared Bobrow needs to go back to law school or the DVD CCA needs to get a new firm. This is the kind of sloppy work that could get an important document thrown out.

Here is a 2600 story on this.

Explanation on legality of this information

The software (source as well as binaries) offered on this site can be freely redistributed because it was published under the GNU General Public License. The purpose of this software is not illegal copying of DVD disks. It is meant to provide information necessary to be able to program a DVD player for Linux. To do this, the CSS system needs to be incorporated in the player. Recently the (very weak) DVD content scrambling system was deciphered, freeing the way for a Linux DVD player. The CSS system is not a copy protection system, since it does not prevent copying of the disk. Writing information about the way an encryption scheme functions is completely legal. The source code and binaries on this site are completely legal too, since they contain no code from the DVD consortium or its members. The sources and programs on this site were written by third parties using clean-room reverse engineering methods which are (ready?) completly legal.

Attention www.rhythm.cx was hosting a list of mirrors for these files. That list of mirrors has been replaced with a page reading "This site has been taken down for legal reasons." Here's what the maintainer put on the site the day it was shut down:

NOTE (Thu, Nov 11, 12:17pm EST): I've recently been informed that a law firm which is likely to be one that would try get these mirrors taken down has been visiting this mirror site as well as others. With that said, there is a possibility that I may have to remove this site in the near future because like everyone else, I can't afford to go to court to fight it. Luckly, it seems fairly unlikely that any law firm will ever be able to get rid of all these mirrors at this point (there are currently 41 in 8 different countries and this list is growing every day). However, I have only seen very few mirror _lists_ like this one anyplace. If anyone has the resources, it might be wise to mirror this list of mirrors as well so that the right people will still know that these mirrors exist.

Here is a 2600 story with more details on how rhythm.cx was shut down.

Current Mirrors Last updated: Wed, Dec 29, 3:14pm EST
Numbers are only for the maintainer's convenience

Much thanks to this site for listing mirrors of the mirror lists.

This site contains some good technical documentation as well as more source code that the DVD consorium's lawyers would rather you not see:
http://crypto.gq.nu/

Semi-broken Mirrors
(These mirrors sometimes work and sometimes don't)
http://joe.to/storage/files/decss.zip
ftp://eris.giga.or.at/pub/hacker/crypt/ DVD/
http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/files/D eCSS.zip and http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/f iles/css-auth.tar.gz
http://www.discordia.de/decss/DeCSS.zip and http://www.discordia.de/decss/css-aut h_tar.gz and http://www.discordia.de/decss/LiVid.tgz

Broken Mirrors
(These are listed here for the notification of the people who run them)
http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderman/css-auth.ta r.gz
ftp://mikpos.dyndns.org/pub/cssdvd.zip
ftp://195.115.63.44/pub/DeCSS.zip
http://home.c2i.net/buddha9/
http://frodo.campus.luth.se/~iocc/tip.html
http://home.t-online.de/home/skinner01/decss.zip
ftp://ftp.firehead.org/pub/
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/business/avoiderman/
http://www.hack.b3.nu/

Mirrors shut down by The Man
(A moment of silence, please.)
http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.rhythm.cx/dvd/DeCSS.zip
http://dvdcracked.tvheaven.com/index.html
http://home.worldonline.dk/~andersa/download/DeCSS .zip
http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10079-100-143 3209.html?tag=st.dl.10001_104_3.lst.titl edetail
http://www.theresistance.net/files.html
http://cryptome.org/dvd-css.htm
http://www.d.umn.edu/~dchan/css/
http://caspian.twu.net/dvd/
http://mclaughlin.orange.ca.us/~andrew/
ftp://134.173.94.44

Re:Why must these be rated for newbies? by dennisp · 1999-12-08 15:48 · Score: 2 · on Linux Distributions Rated on CNet

Nothing can substitute personal experience. I've tried just about every Linux distribution, and never taken heed of reviewers doing one paragraph showdown articles. If you want real reviews, just log in to IRC or other chat community and ask people what they like.

In the context of the C|net article, I think slackware and debian definitely deserve what they received. There's no point in complaining when they are catering to their audience (well, the majority of it at least). I know a lot of people who are willing to try linux now, but *really* do need that support or toll free number. There is nothing wrong with that. I'd need a toll free number if I was trying to install a stereo in my car.. so what?

Regarding Redhat, I never experienced much instability with Gnome. It was slow, yes, but not particularly instable. The only application that I found annoying was LinuxConf. This was because it often didn't work as it was supposed to (well that and the incredibly ugly rc file setup). It's not so bad as a workstation though. I'm not really into tweaking workstation setups anyway.

I like Corel Linux too. In fact it is my current favorite. Now, when people ask me to install linux, I install Corel Linux. It has a pretty good installer, kde + some proprietary applications of their own, and some application frontends to debian. I've ran into some installation difficulties in the 10 or so systems I have installed, but it hasn't acted up much.

Slackware though? I can't stand having to compile half the applications that I install (well that or having fun setting up RPM). The debian package and freebsd ports collections are what I use because I really don't like wasting my time when installing applications. The installer is 'OK, but not that intuitive -- there is also no net install a' la Redhat or freebsd et al. It's a pretty good distro only if you enjoy endless hours of tweaking. Well, unless you only want a basic system install.

For the more technically inclined (or those willing to spend time learning things instead of just giving up), I'd say Debian is king. I was amazed the first time I used dpkg. The system setup was also elegant to me, because it matched my mindset. I think it's the closest to a standard system setup than any other distro available. It feels good to actually have a system where you know where everything is. The DOS install was also cool. I didn't even have to go find some old floppy disks to initiate an install :).

Really though, I find installing and playing with each distro fun, even if i find it's not what I like. That's why, right now, I have about 8 systems between work and here, each with something different on it. Heck, I'm even playing with windows98 + X-win32 on remote FreeBSD + wmaker and various X apps running on Linux to Solaris to HP/UX all on my win32 desktop (hey, I've got to use Symantec V. Cafe). It's pretty nice, except for the 3-8 weekly reboots due to various unknown OS problems :).

Most people don't have that many systems to play on though, so I do understand that you may want more advanced reviews; but understand that C|net isn't the right forum for that. Maybe someone will answer your plea now, and do as such -- though the more technically inclined and more experienced with a system people get, the more opinionative and tending to like particulars, soo ...

How about using it as a remote .... by Ricochet · 1999-11-11 03:13 · Score: 2 · on Linux on Palm

That sounds kind of stupid doesn't it? But keep reading it's not as limited as that. For the sake of brevity I won't go into each detail. I think I'll post an article on my web page with my thoughts on this subject (and I'll go into details). See the links below.

First I have a PIIIx (4M of ram expandable to 8M and OS3.3), This is one tool I find very useful. I'm also a home automation (HA) enthusiast and I've been pondering/considering using inexpensize items to interface to my HA systems. I have a gameboy, a TI-85, an HP28C, a TRS model 100 and the Palm Pilot. Each has it's limitations, the PIIIx/Visor has several things going for it. But it also has limitations, one of which is you can not task switch an application. You can only do 1 thing with it at a time (this is not a limitation of the processor, I think). By adding multitasking you can send and receive messages (not limited to mail, other types of messages also) run an app, have another app interrupt you to let you know something else is going on (not just appointments or timed todos). If I can get an 802.11 interface connectivity/flexiblity would be further increased. There are still lots of problems to overcome and most of what I am describing sounds very silly but the Palm Pilot provides an simple to use and flexible system to interface to other things. And with the cost of the Visor these devices may just replace the TV remote as a simple device found in just about every home (at least in the US).

One other thing, has anyone noticed that the Palm Pilots are only a little larger than the report pads used on Star Trek?

--
Linux Home Automation - Neil Cherry - ncherry@home.net
http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only)
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lig htsey/52 (Graphics)

gov't data should be liberated by maphew · 1999-11-01 03:43 · Score: 1 · on GRASS Geographic Information System now under GPL

The other thing that would be nice is if the government would start making the datasets we paid good tax money for available for reasonable fees.

Agreed. A lot of other people think the same way. New Zealand just drastically reduced their digital base date prices: from $2 million to $1,500 for the nation wide set. While $1500 is not pocket change for a student or small company, at least it's reacheable. See this url for details.

A group of us are working on the Canadian government to follow suit. There's a petition at: http://members.home.net/freedata/. For some press see this article.

cheers,

-matt

Re:Securing FreeBSD by dennisp · 1999-10-27 22:35 · Score: 1 · on Which BSD?

1) Make sure everything you don't need is commented out in the rc's and inetd.conf. Use netstat to make sure the system isn't listening on any ports you don't want it to. When hard to determine ports come up, use sockstat or lsof to find which program is listening on what port.

2) Use ipf or ipfilter to firewall telnetd/sshd/ftpd ports if possible. I prefer those ports only being open to limited ip ranges.

3) If you have local shell users, only give them the userland that they need. Only allow access to programs that you want them to access. Good will doesn't always work. It is also possible to prevent read access to many files in /etc/ and /var/ that shouldn't necessarily be world readable. You may also want to run something like tripwire to alert you if a breach does happen anyway. User process limits and modified rootkits may also be in order. You may also want to look into jail -- though I think the only working non custom implementation is in 4.0-CURRENT right now.

4) Stay proactive and keep up to date with those daemons that you allow world access to. The majority of external network breaches are due to well known exploit scanners statistically being able to find a number of systems who aren't aware or haven't gotten around to fixing problems yet.

5) If particularly worried about DoS attacks, ICMP_BANDLIM may be a good kernel option to use. You would probably also want to block icmp echo requests and responses completely. As well, if you want to be a complete paranoid, you could block all UDP as well (except those that are needed). That still leaves spoofed syn floods though. I don't know the current status of syn rate limiting in 3.3, but i have a kludge built for 3.1 here. You may have to diff the files and make changes manually if there have been any major changes to that code since then.

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Snip, Snip! Woo-hoo! by Tackhead · 1999-10-25 02:48 · Score: 1 · on Global Population Implosion?

Two words, guys: "snip, snip" :-)

Seriously - if you're not shooting blanks, and you sleep with a woman, you're taking the full financial risk of any progeny that may be developed. Them's the legal breaks. The alternative - that the law permit a male be able to force a female to have an abortion against her will, Just Doesn't Work in any ethical scheme, no matter how twisted, I can dream up.

If you don't want kids, and you posess a Y chromosome, get thyself snipped. It's the best birthday present you'll ever give yourself. And if your partner doesn't want kids either, it's the best present you can give her too. For less than $500, it's a hell of a lot cheaper and safer than asking your partner to have a tubal ligation.

Here's some recommended reading for both for those who don't want kids, and for those who do, but can't understand why we don't. (I particularly liked Why books are better than babies.

Another website for your perusal: alt.support.childfree.moderated archive.

Finally, to the Epopt, who said that folks who described having children as "pointless" as "obsessively self-centered": a reminder that obsessive self-centeredness can be as much a trait of breeders as it is of the childfree. (Woo-hoo, I get to re-use a link from yesterday's post!)

(But - in the Epopt's defence - while I resent his implied characterization of the childfree as selfish, he's quite right in one thing: if you have to ask, you'll never understand. That goes for both sides of the "to sprog or not to sprog" debate. While I understand the reasons for spawning on the surface, I'll never grok in fullness the desire to sprog. A few years ago, I broke off a 5-year relationship because we were each dumb enough to get into it before realizing that we just couldn't agree on this subject. We've remained friends - she's got 2 kids now and is ecstatic about it, and I've got none and am equally ecstatic. Had we continued our relationship, it would have been hell. She'd curse me for the child I'd never give her, or I'd curse her for the one she saddled me with. Eech.

As one who probably would be tempted to "throw 'em away" if I ever ended up with one, I took the responsibility for making damn sure I'd never end up with one in the first place. Better for me, better for my companion, and better for a putative kid not to exist at all than to have me as a Dad!

I'm a firm believer in the "if you don't like 'em, don't have 'em" school. Naturally, if you do like kids, go nuts. After all, someone's gotta breed more geeks to make up for those of us who prefer DOOM's "Knee-deep in Dead" to the Mommy Track's "Elbow-deep in baby shit!" :-)

robs wife by Anonymous Coward · 1999-10-24 10:38 · Score: 0 · on Uncle Robin's Advice for Lovelorn Geeks

heres a pic of Debbie. http://members.home.net/roblimo/inside.jpg

Re:Ping attacks? by dennisp · 1999-09-27 22:08 · Score: 2 · on Network Intrusion Detection: An Analysis Handbook

Yes exactly. You have to get the packets filtered at the backbone provider though. It only makes matters worse when the DoS kiddie brings down your small ISP's (if you have one) entire network. Also note that we're talking about icmp echo-reps that come with smurf, not icmp echo's that would come with a ping attack. Why? Because it's almost impossible for someone to mount such an attack unless you only have a t1 and they have 20 shells. Now, if you're getting a genuine ping flood, you can do something about that (though it won't necessarily help much unless you pay by line traffic). Then there is the syn attack. Of course, you should already have all ports that shouldn't be available to external users closed. I'd recommend only opening privileged ports to certain ip ranges. This includes ssh, telnet, x, and other administrative ports. Anyway, the fewer ports abusive users have to attack, the better. The only useful way to stop syn attacks is to limit syns, or to drop ip addresses flooding (that is of course assuming they aren't spoofed addresses). If you're getting flooded with spoofed syn attacks, you're pretty much screwed, unless your operating system or firewall software will dynamically drop excess syn packets. The only patch I've ran into for this is for FreeBSD 3.x, and you can get it here That text file also includes an explanation as to its use in a bugtraq message. Note that you can also limit all ICMP packets to an arbitrary number in FreeBSD with options ICMPLIMIT. Oh yeah, and if you're constantly getting flooded with syn or ICMP packets, then you've either pissed a lot of people off, or you have idiot users on IRC losing you a heck of a lot of money. So get to the root of the problem as well as preparing yourself.
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Re:My home IS node(.com) on the internet by Ricochet · 1999-09-19 04:49 · Score: 1 · on The Home as a Node on the Internet

I thought that .uucp still existed but only for the hams. My email (above) address reflects one of my old .uucp addresses. At least what we learned during those day helped us in today's world. ;-)

Actually my home automation started with a 3b1 and a Heath Kit X10 interface. Things have changed since then.

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We're here...sort of... by Ricochet · 1999-09-18 06:13 · Score: 3 · on The Home as a Node on the Internet

There are quite a few of us out there playing with such technology right now. We are experimenting and some have kept it within limits (to keep the SO happy and live within budgets) but we are playing with the technology. So far I have control of various lighting (using X10) and I have expermental I/O (I/O = switches, variable resistors, LEDS and DMMs) that I can control. I am able to monitor the weather and pull back information from the internet (news, weather, etc). I'm also able to post various info from my systems to the internet, though I must wisely choose what to post as too much info can be dangerous in the wrong hands. And I have voice synthesis output for certain info. Others have more elaborate systems (Bruce Winter's Mr.E House (MH) for example).

There are problems with this technology; cost, reliability, accuracy, redundancy and standards are not really up to expected consumer qualities. But for the most part they do work. Some of the fancier stuff such as the mirror with the built in display is pricey. But thanks to new technologies such as ethernet on a chip, smaller microcontrollers can be used for control and monitoring. Of course you can still use these devices without the network hook ups. This technology will help get the pricing down and allow more items to be centrally controlled by the MCP.

Now this of course begs the question do we really want so much being controlled for us? Or is the energy management and possible conviences worth it? Those are questions I can't yet answer. I don't really put a whole lot of faith in technology and sometimes prefer the old ways of doing certain things. Now ain't that a real kick in the pants.

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We're here...sort of... by Ricochet · 1999-09-18 06:13 · Score: 3 · on The Home as a Node on the Internet

There are quite a few of us out there playing with such technology right now. We are experimenting and some have kept it within limits (to keep the SO happy and live within budgets) but we are playing with the technology. So far I have control of various lighting (using X10) and I have expermental I/O (I/O = switches, variable resistors, LEDS and DMMs) that I can control. I am able to monitor the weather and pull back information from the internet (news, weather, etc). I'm also able to post various info from my systems to the internet, though I must wisely choose what to post as too much info can be dangerous in the wrong hands. And I have voice synthesis output for certain info. Others have more elaborate systems (Bruce Winter's Mr.E House (MH) for example).

There are problems with this technology; cost, reliability, accuracy, redundancy and standards are not really up to expected consumer qualities. But for the most part they do work. Some of the fancier stuff such as the mirror with the built in display is pricey. But thanks to new technologies such as ethernet on a chip, smaller microcontrollers can be used for control and monitoring. Of course you can still use these devices without the network hook ups. This technology will help get the pricing down and allow more items to be centrally controlled by the MCP.

Now this of course begs the question do we really want so much being controlled for us? Or is the energy management and possible conviences worth it? Those are questions I can't yet answer. I don't really put a whole lot of faith in technology and sometimes prefer the old ways of doing certain things. Now ain't that a real kick in the pants.

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Another Girl Geek. by Lexi_the_linux_girl · 1999-08-22 10:09 · Score: 1 · on Encouraging Female Programmers

I have read so many things about how women aren't encouraged to go into computer science. How women are not wired for computer science, how women just don't have the hacker gene, what not.

To tell the truth I get kind of tired of it all. I am yet another geek girl, and I know I am not the only one. My first experience with a computer was with a Commadore PET in about 1980. You can click here to see the picture if you like.

PET pic

Since then I have not been without a computer. My father has a degree in computer science and through his job was able to bring home loaners from all periods of the history of the pc. I had a Vic 20, Commadore 64, an Atari 600 (I think), One of the first Macs, a Monroe Litton, IBM PC, Zenith AT, a 286, a 386, a 486, and a pentium.

I taught myself Basic, when I was 12, Pascal at 13, and C at 14. The year I taught myself C, was the same year I was in Grade 10, and I had my first computer class in school where I was "learning" Basic. I came out of that class with a perfect mark, and managed to start looking at assembly language by myself.

I saw high school computer classes as a waste of time and did not take another one, that didn't keep me from teaching myself new principles.

My dad first got me an internet account in 1992 because I was on BBSes all the time anyhow. So I went on the net, and learned Unix so I could make the most of my internet account.

I have the geek gene, it definately is neither a male or female thing. I am stubborn enough to want to keep working on things till they work, I am curious enough to keep learning about new technolgies, and I just plain love computers. Past Boyfriends have pointed to the monitor and accused it of stealing all the attention they wanted.

IDIOTS, It is the CPU I love.

Point at the case and you may have a relevant point. :)

One boyfriend called the computer my other boyfriend. My boyfriend now, he's a geek too, and he knows that if I am coding, that I am in the zone, and that he comes second. He doesn't mind, I have more computer knowlege and experience than he does, and when I am done, I'll be ready to show off what I have done, and explain it to him. A few of his friends, fellow techies - know I am more geeky than them too, and they are used to it now.

I made the mistake of not going directly to university out of high school, but I went back to school a few years ago to start my computer science degree (I am not finished it yet - I am on a break while I try to recoup financially). I encountered my first experiences with stereotyping at a university level. I would never be assumed to be in computer science by strangers, after all, I am female, I must be in Social Work, or Psychology. I didn't encounter any stereotyping from my classmates in computer science or any of my instructors. I was in the top 10% of my class and I quite enjoyed working with people who appreciated my mind and my technical abilities instead of (or perhaps as well as) my looks.

Girl geeks get stereotyped by society, yes, as shy introverted socially awkward plain janes. Male geeks are stereotyped too. Unattractive socially awkward dumpy short and wearing glasses. I am sure the male geeks appreciate the stereotypes just as much as the girls. I am an attractive woman, and I know attractive men in computer science as well.

Having a brain does not disfigure the body!

I think more women should go into computer science, so I can have more women friends to chat with who will understand when I am having a problem debugging a program at 4 am. So I can talk about a concept I thought up for setting up my server in a new more secure manner. I want female friends I can talk about the things that excite me, and their eyes will not glaze over.

The problem is not female role models, or sexist stereotypes.

Women, girls, check out MECCA and join the Syster's mailing list, or if you are a student, the Syster Student mailing list ( be prepared for tons of mail from Syster's).
Their url is http://www.systers.org/

That is almost enough of a ramble for me, I have decided not to include in this such things as a long ramble on Ada Lovelace, Grace Hopper, or any of the women who programmed the ENIAC, because if you knew anything about computer history - these are givens.

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Re:Well, hmmmm, interesting Style McCloud... by Ricochet · 1999-07-23 07:26 · Score: 1 · on The Competition for Developers

And, when Unix crashes, you actually have to make a trip out there because there is no way you can walk some average joe through a fix on the phone.

I supported AT&T 3B computer and their networks on a support hotline for 5 years (86 - 91) and I've walked many people (including the unknowing) into restoring a Unix box to where I could access the box. Unix is just as supportable as NT. But I would add that certain equipment was required to do it right (a modem, the original disks, and a recent backup). Most Unix boxes I've worked with followed our recommendations for power (UPS) and access (a modem). I'm not that familiar with NT (my friend is) but I don't see it being any less frustrating than Linux when it bombs out.

Windows gives the average user what they want. Ease of use and out of the box functionality. When Linux matures enough for that then the world will be a better place.

I sort of agree, I find that MS just moves the frustrations from up front to else where. With *nix the tough questions tend to be up front which can scare the users.

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My Old Computers...... by Ricochet · 1999-07-22 21:05 · Score: 1 · on Vintage Computers on the New York Times

The article was severely lacking! Having lived through that period and retained much of the hardware (the software may suffer from bit rot). I remember my first internet access: Rutgers Soup Kitchen (I seem to remember 50 or 60 newsgroups, talk about information overload :-).

I still have my collection of computers, ZX81 (unassembled and assembled), Z80 Starter kit (gorgeous hand wrapped, handmade Al case and upgraded to 10K). My Atari 800/Ominmon, 600XL, 800XL/256K & Omnimon, Atari 520ST/4M, AT&T 3B1, AT&T 3B2/310, Rockwell Aim, a bunch of Commodore 64's, NEC PC8201A, IBM PC (64K w/cassette ports), a bunch of 8088 clones, a Toshiba 8088 laptop, a Zenith 8088 Laptop, a 286 laptop, AT&T Safari 386SL laptop and now my Linux boxen. I've played with SS30, SS50 and S100, I've built a bunch of different ucontrollers and I still have 3 OS9 and 2 OS9 68K boxes. I have Eval boards for the Motorola 6800, 6801, 6802, 6805, 6808 and 68HC11. I have more but I can't remember what they are. I also had an Apple II but it generated so much RFI I had to get rid of it. My neighbors for 200 feet in any direction would complain and my father was fit to kill me. I love that ROM monitor.

Those times were great but they aren't as great as things are today. Lets face it the original price of just 1 of those systems can easily purchase an new box. And it seems easy to find an emulator for almost all of them.

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Re:Deja Vu by Ricochet · 1999-07-10 22:48 · Score: 1 · on Promotional Freshmeat X10 Firecrackers

But that doesn't matter much to most of us, because i doubt the passthrough works under linux anyhow - device locking and all.

FWIW, I had this concern because I have a Palm Pilot I use with the PilotManager software on the same port as my Firecracker.

My unscientific stress-test was to bring up the RocketLauncher TK front-end to BottleRocket, and PilotManager. I set PilotManager to do a full sync including the backup conduit. Then I started turning lights on and off from RocketLauncher while the backup was in progress. It worked fine.

Some sites I've read, though, have cautioned against trying this with a modem or mouse. Don't know. I've got an internal modem and a PS/2 mouse.

Under Linux I think we can make the pass through work, but the software would have to written correctly. Under Windows I beleive that once the software has started Windows locks the port. Although the mouse drive may need constant access to the mouse so the mouse port may not be a good choice (I don't know the protocols for the mouse). With the PilotManager software it shouldn't lock the port unless it is using it. And the Bottle Rocket software shouldn't lock the port unless it is using it. So as long as you have only one piece of software running at a time there shouldn't be a problem. Unfortunately I won't be able to test my theory until next week when the Firecracker arrives (my palm 3x won't arrive till the end of the month).
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Re:X10 is not a good system by Ricochet · 1999-07-10 22:28 · Score: 1 · on Promotional Freshmeat X10 Firecrackers

I think it makes far more sense to add a small RF carrier to the AC signal and modulate your signal onto that. In fact I am designing such a system and will release the plans under something GPL-like when (if :) I get it working. I am thinking make it an Ethernet-like protocol with lookahead collision avoidance/etc. Something I can run IP on anyways.. But don't hold your breath waiting for it :)

You might be interested in the GNU/Linux Home Automation Project . The goals of the project are to produce GPL'd hardware and software standards for Home Automation. Right now the list is down due to technical problems with the mail list.

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Re:Maybe, but we're trying! by Ricochet · 1999-07-07 22:15 · Score: 1 · on Search Engines Can't Keep Up

Me thinks you have a bit of a way to go yet! I attempted my search for Linux Home Automation and it failed to bring up a site in England (Fortune City). I kept the search to just central & eastern Europe. It only brought up 1 site about Linux (there are quite a few more sites than that in Europe).

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Same search results, different day by Ricochet · 1999-07-07 20:57 · Score: 1 · on Search Engines Can't Keep Up

I've always had trouble with search engines. I've registered my pages with various services and basically it hasn't helped. Most people find my pages though my sigs. Or off other similar pages which have links to my page.

I did a search on Northerlights and it didn't find my pages but did find pages wih links to my page. I also used the power search but that failed also.

I probably shouldn't be too upset as I get about 1000 hits per month. Since it is a specilaized page I don't think I'll get any more hits. But it does tick me off that if I want poeple to find my page I have to pay for it. I thought a search engines reputation was supposed to garner it more attention and therefor more advertisement dollars. Now to increase their rep's I have to pay them.
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[OT} was Re:Ad? Not really. by Ricochet · 1999-06-24 04:41 · Score: 1 · on More Firecracker Kits For Free

The code you mention was written by Dan Lanciani. And though I agree that the code looks ugly it does work. The comments most likely are mine. A couple of weeks ago I had taken the entire package and broken down the files so that it didn't compile as one file. Unfortunately I lost the drive and didn't have a backup of my work. So far I've been too lazy to make any more changes. The reason I prefer it to the other software is that it allows me to telnet to it from another box. None of the others have such an interface. I would prefer if the commands made more sense and the command response were less terse (or at least explained).

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Re:Ad? Not really. by Ricochet · 1999-06-23 10:30 · Score: 1 · on More Firecracker Kits For Free

check out my pages, I collect software and their links for HA.

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Good experience with X10.com by IGnatius+T+Foobar · 1999-06-23 09:36 · Score: 2 · on More Firecracker Kits For Free

I've been quite pleased with X10 -- both their equipment and the company. Yes, they do place your email address on a mailing list, but they will cheerfully remove it as soon as you ask them.

My home is decked out with X10 stuff. I've got the CM11A controller, which contains an actual X10 modulator. The "FireCracker" appears to be a device that transmits RF signals to a remote-control receiver, which then modulates the X10 signals. It's nice to eliminate the extra step ... even if I do already have the remote receiver (and a ton of remotes).

Anyone planning on ordering should be aware that most of the Linux software found on Freshmeat et al is designed for the CM11A, not the FireCracker.

Do check out the Linux Home Automation Page; it's got lots of useful resources.

Home automation, Linux, and nerds. A match made in Heaven. :)

Re:Linux HA and X10 for 10 years? by Ricochet · 1999-06-21 18:56 · Score: 1 · on Home automation gadgets for free

Oops rounding error :-), Sorry but I have no idea what year it is. I started using X10 with my 3B1 (AT&T Unix). The first Linux I had was .9x kernel in 1993. Sorry about that I was concentrating more on the HA stuff.

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Re:The Protocol by Ricochet · 1999-06-21 05:14 · Score: 1 · on Home automation gadgets for free

The Firecracker is not the same as the CM11A they are 2 different devices. I hope to have the Firecracker protocol on line within the week (and give credit to it's proper author, which is not me).--

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Re:FYI by Ricochet · 1999-06-21 05:06 · Score: 1 · on Home automation gadgets for free

I think what you meant was that each type of X10 controller has different software to control it. The CM11A has x10d, heyu, Mr. House and a few others, the Cp290 has software and the Firecracker has Bottle rocket. There are a few other controllers but they tend to need other hardware to use properly.

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Linux HA and X10 by Ricochet · 1999-06-21 03:30 · Score: 3 · on Home automation gadgets for free

Note: I don't make a cent off any of the products mentioned here and this is not an ad for any of the companies. I'm just attempting to add info to the discussion.

If you want software and information about Linux Home Automation (HA) please check out my pages http://members.home.net/ncherry or http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lig htsey/52. The software, documentation and link are just a collection of the stuff I've found over the years. It should work with other flavors of unix. I have some other links to HA pages. If you find any interesting Unix/Linux HA projects, software, or documentation please email with the info and I'll add it to the pages.

I've noticed quite a few errant statements about Linux HA and X10. First the X10 technology has been around since the early 70's (which explains it's weird protocol). X10 is a lot like running a Unix operating system (if you just want to sit back and not know much about it I wouldn't recommend it). X10's customer support is weak and their documentation is poor. For the best source of info on HA (and X10 in particular) check out comp.home.automation. Now that I've said all these bad things about X10 I'll add that I use it and I can make it work pretty well. Mine runs correctly 99% of the time and last 1% is probably my fault. This doesn't include when I'm playing with software (which may tend to crash the system from time to time when you're experimenting with new coding ideas).

I've been using X10 with Linux for over 10 years and I have it working pretty well. The only thing that we're really missing is a good GUI to make the software collections easier to use. I currently have 5 devices under X10 control at all times (and at Christmas time I have a lot more). The reason for so few is that I'm working on the rest of the house and I haven't a need for more just yet. I have quite a few more devices I'll begin controlling when the time is appropriate. X10 is not the key technology in HA. But it is useful and when used with other technologies can be very nice. Steve Ciarcia (editor of Circuit Cellar Ink and a great many Byte magazine articles) has a fully automated home (he uses a custom controller which can be purchased ( HCS II).

I hope this is enough to whet some peoples appetite for the HA field.

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Linux HA and X10 by Ricochet · 1999-06-21 03:30 · Score: 3 · on Home automation gadgets for free

Note: I don't make a cent off any of the products mentioned here and this is not an ad for any of the companies. I'm just attempting to add info to the discussion.

If you want software and information about Linux Home Automation (HA) please check out my pages http://members.home.net/ncherry or http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lig htsey/52. The software, documentation and link are just a collection of the stuff I've found over the years. It should work with other flavors of unix. I have some other links to HA pages. If you find any interesting Unix/Linux HA projects, software, or documentation please email with the info and I'll add it to the pages.

I've noticed quite a few errant statements about Linux HA and X10. First the X10 technology has been around since the early 70's (which explains it's weird protocol). X10 is a lot like running a Unix operating system (if you just want to sit back and not know much about it I wouldn't recommend it). X10's customer support is weak and their documentation is poor. For the best source of info on HA (and X10 in particular) check out comp.home.automation. Now that I've said all these bad things about X10 I'll add that I use it and I can make it work pretty well. Mine runs correctly 99% of the time and last 1% is probably my fault. This doesn't include when I'm playing with software (which may tend to crash the system from time to time when you're experimenting with new coding ideas).

I've been using X10 with Linux for over 10 years and I have it working pretty well. The only thing that we're really missing is a good GUI to make the software collections easier to use. I currently have 5 devices under X10 control at all times (and at Christmas time I have a lot more). The reason for so few is that I'm working on the rest of the house and I haven't a need for more just yet. I have quite a few more devices I'll begin controlling when the time is appropriate. X10 is not the key technology in HA. But it is useful and when used with other technologies can be very nice. Steve Ciarcia (editor of Circuit Cellar Ink and a great many Byte magazine articles) has a fully automated home (he uses a custom controller which can be purchased ( HCS II).

I hope this is enough to whet some peoples appetite for the HA field.

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could be used for homeautomation by Ricochet · 1999-04-26 00:03 · Score: 1 · on IBM ViaVoice for Linux

There are a few of us working on just that. BTW the LIRC can be found on my homepage but it may not be the most up to date code. I better add a link to the LIRC project. My page is a place to collect software and links related to Linux HA. I am also writting some software but I mostly modify others software (see my page ref's below).

I really think that this something the Linux HA really needs. Of course this can be useful in other areas also. I plan to purchase it as soon as possible and see if I can intergrate it into the stuff I'm working on. But I won't forget that other people may not have it so my code won't depend on it.

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