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Re:TWENTY HYDROGEN MYTHS
NOTE:I am sorry for my english, but I am not english-native. If you don't like my english, at least check the links, I think that are interesting
I have read a bit of TWENTY HYDROGEN MYTHS, but I hardly find it a seriuos source of information:
for example (at the and of page 5, and in the myth #3) they say that hydrogen fuel-cell cars can canvert energy to motion about 2-3 times as afficient as normal cars convert gasoline into motion.They don't say the truth: fuel-cells are more efficient, but weight a lot more then internal combustion engines, and so the cars requeire more energy to move, compared to cars equipped with internal combustions. Moreover they do not consider Diesel engines.
Now look at Honda fcx, and as you can see the REAL efficency (220 miles with 3.75Kg of hydrogen, that contain the energy equivalent of about 3.75 gallons of gasoline=58mpg, but if you consider a 70% efficiency in the production of hydrogen you obtain about 41mpg), is hardly 2-3 times the efficiency of a DIESEL car, and actually is less than a good diesel car ( Honda Accord TDCi, sorry for the link in italian, but look simply at the second row: 92mpg ) and it is worst then hybrid cars (example Honda Insight, about 60mpg)
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Re:TWENTY HYDROGEN MYTHS
NOTE:I am sorry for my english, but I am not english-native. If you don't like my english, at least check the links, I think that are interesting
I have read a bit of TWENTY HYDROGEN MYTHS, but I hardly find it a seriuos source of information:
for example (at the and of page 5, and in the myth #3) they say that hydrogen fuel-cell cars can canvert energy to motion about 2-3 times as afficient as normal cars convert gasoline into motion.They don't say the truth: fuel-cells are more efficient, but weight a lot more then internal combustion engines, and so the cars requeire more energy to move, compared to cars equipped with internal combustions. Moreover they do not consider Diesel engines.
Now look at Honda fcx, and as you can see the REAL efficency (220 miles with 3.75Kg of hydrogen, that contain the energy equivalent of about 3.75 gallons of gasoline=58mpg, but if you consider a 70% efficiency in the production of hydrogen you obtain about 41mpg), is hardly 2-3 times the efficiency of a DIESEL car, and actually is less than a good diesel car ( Honda Accord TDCi, sorry for the link in italian, but look simply at the second row: 92mpg ) and it is worst then hybrid cars (example Honda Insight, about 60mpg)
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Re:A choice of unpleasant possibilities"t's like saying Honda's Cars are safer because American made cars had 300 accidents and Hondas 100. While it is true there are hundreds of thousands more Amierican made cars on the road the Hondas."
Actually, quite a number of Hondas are manufactured in North America
... this is like saying: "Computers made by Dell are safer, because computers sold by Dell had fewer security problems reported than computers sold in the United States". -
10 to 20 percent loss?
I don't think there would be much of hydrogen economy if we were letting 10 to 20 percent escape. Businesses wouldn't stand for losing even 10% of their generated product and I know that this consumer would want better than 90% retention out of any hydrogen-powered device.
I doubt that the Honda FCX has this problem.
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Re:Actually..
Ford actually has one and Honda is testing one in the US, meanwhile Shell opened a filling station" in Iceland [sorry I only had the PR firm link] as a joint venture with several companies. By the way Iceland is now using hydrogen public transit.
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Re:Hydrogen...Check out Honda's fuel cell car, the FCX, now leasing in California (albeit only 30 available this year). My only question is where you buy the compressed tanks of hydrogen you need to run this puppy.
Some specs:
- Complete Car Maximum Speed 93 mph (150km/h)
- Vehicle (curb) Weight 3,713lbs (1684kg)
- Driving Range 220 miles (355km)
- Seating Capacity 4 adults
- Motor Maximum Power Output 80hp (60kW)
- Maximum Drive Torque 201lb-ft (272Nm)
- Motor Type AC synchronous
- Fuel Cell Stack Stack Type PEFC (Polymer Electrolyte Fuel cell - Ballard)
- Power Output 78kW
- Power Storage Honda Ultra Capacitor
- Fuel Fuel Type Compressed hydrogen gas
- Storage Method High-pressure hydrogen storage tanks
- Hydrogen capacity 3.75 kg @ 5000 psi *
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Re:Windows look and feel ?They decided to make cars one day, and low and behold - Honda made a car just like Ford! It had four wheels, engine up front with a stearing wheel in the same place. Hell, even the controlls were roughly in the same place.
Well, kinda. The first Honda production car was the 1963 Honda S500. It had four wheels and a front/rear engine/drive config, true. But that's about as close to Ford-like as it came, with the drive train being a motorcycle chain. And of course, the steering wheel and controls on the right-hand side. (You've forgotten that the Japanese drive on the English side of the road.)
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