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We already have this - it's called the Advanced Driver test (see http://www.iam.org.uk/ [iam.org.uk]). You can get insurance discounts if you've passed one. I'm told one of the tests they make you do in the exam is to drive as fast as you can down a windy single track road. The thing is, it's a test of your safe driving, not so much how fast you can go.

We need this in the US too. Preferably combined with reasonable and not-too-crippling limitations for those who don't pass the test, like not being allowed to drive without ABS or EPS.

We already have this - it's called the Advanced Driver test (see http://www.iam.org.uk/). You can get insurance discounts if you've passed one. I'm told one of the tests they make you do in the exam is to drive as fast as you can down a windy single track road. The thing is, it's a test of your safe driving, not so much how fast you can go.

Nothing more dangerous than rounding a corner at 45 and seeing a cyclist pop up in front of you going 15.

What kind of dickhead would drive around a corner so fast they can't stop in the distance they can see?
And no I don't ride a bike.... I've passed my IAM advanced test :-)

I doubt it's much consolation, but I'm in England, I'm nearly 40, have a clean licence, no accidents, full no-claims "discount" and I'm a member of the IAM - and my insurance still costs about UK£1800 a year (which is something over US$3000 at current exchange rates). I'm also fairly convinced that this scheme won't save me money - and of course, UK law will require that the insurers will have to hand over any information the police request.

It's a common fallacy that teaching someone how to race will magically make them safer drivers on the open road. Checkout the Institute of Advanced Motorists and learn that becoming a good (safe) driver takes much more than a couple of hours pretending you are Michael Schumaker.

Every advanced driving course you can go on will teach you about appropriate use of speed. If I'm overtaking a slower moving vehicle on a single carriageway road the safest thing for me to do is overtake as quickly as possible, speedlimit be damned. They call it "time exposed to danger" for a reason. In your ideal little world I would have to stick to the letter of the speed limit, which would increase the danger to me, the vehicle I'm overtaking and other road users.

Do you honestly believe that people fixating on the precise speed they are doing, staring at their speedometers, at least when they aren't looking out for the next speed camera, are driving safely? I've given up, now I drive to a speed reasonable for the road conditions, my vehicles condition and capabilities, and my level of alertness. Sometimes that means I'm over the limit, sometimes I'm under. I spend my time looking out of the window where I'm going, or in my mirrors, where my eyes should be, not fixed to the speedo. The only times I actually look at the speedo is when there is a speed camera. Now, ask yourself again, would you rather be on a road where everyone is spending more time looking at their speedos than the road ahead, or one where everyone was paying attention to their driving? We seem to be heading rapidly towards a society where the latter is in prevelance.

What the government should be going on about is increasing driver training. If you really want to reduce accidents on the roads every driver should have to take a practical test every 5 years (say). By this I do not mean a little 20 minute drive, I mean a really good, in depth examination of your driving skills. If you fail then you have to go on a course of some kind to sort things out, you have say 6 months to complete this and take the test again (perhaps an abbreviated one).

You can pick up bad driving habits even without realising it. Take me, I considered myself a good driver, I've been on a number of driving courses (off road, rallying, track sessions, skid pans), yet I went out on a "Performance Road Car" course and got picked up for a number of bad habits. None serious, but enough to make me stop and re-evaluate my driving style again. Look at what real "Advanced Drivers" (see http://www.iam.org.uk/) go through, and you will realise that these guys are an order of magnitude better drivers than most people on the roads. I'd rather be in a car with one of these guys at 120MPH than most people at 60MPH.

None of this is rocket science, none of it is surely beyond the whit of anyone of average intelligence, yet the Government hasn't ever made even a single move in this direction. The reasons for this are plain, to do the above, whilst very clearly achieving their stated objective of improving road safety, does nothing to line their own pockets. So instead they focus on the mantra of speed, because this means they can tax^H^H^H fine motorists easily and cheaply. That this has been shown to have very little effect on accident rates, and indeed some speed cameras INCREASE the local accident rate, is brushed off. Actually genuinely improving road safety in any reasonable manner would actually cost them money, so they aren't interested.

The same is true when it comes to

Perhaps you can explain (preferably without shouting) why it is preferable to have one mile of single lane tailback to half a mile of two-lane tailback.

The Institute of Advanced Motorists says this: "In our view, the sensible advice for all lane merging situations is that drivers should reduce their speed and increase the gap between themselves and the vehicle in front. All available lanes should be used right up to where the lane closure begins and vehicles should merge in turn - one from the left, one from the right, and so on."

I suppose you are the person who attempts to drive in both lanes at once in an attempt to stop me using the road?

Perhaps you can explain (preferably without shouting) why it is preferable to have one mile of single lane tailback to half a mile of two-lane tailback.

The Institute of Advanced Motorists says this: "In our view, the sensible advice for all lane merging situations is that drivers should reduce their speed and increase the gap between themselves and the vehicle in front. All available lanes should be used right up to where the lane closure begins and vehicles should merge in turn - one from the left, one from the right, and so on."

I suppose you are the person who attempts to drive in both lanes at once in an attempt to stop me using the road?

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I was driving one of my 8 series (an M Tech believe it or not, we're talking a potential 200 MPH + ). Anyhow, on a country road we were forced to slow down (I don't speed BTW) because some loon had been pulled for speeding. Anyhow 5 minutes later, said loon is behind and harrassing me 'cause I'm only doing 30 in a 30 zone. I hope he gets banned 'cause he just doesn't understand.