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Re:Overreactions
When I was in Scotland last year, a tour guide told me about Scotland's "Freedom to Roam" - he basically said there's no trespassing laws (or words to that effect) so you can wander around the whole country.
A quick Google seems to show that this might not be the case anymore but I remember that as I thought it sounded awesome. -
My house has a virusThe latest terrorist attack by osama bin laden. A virus with AI that can torture you in the comfort.
I am reminded of the concersation Londo had with the Technomages in The Geometry of Shadows
The Technomages are leaving while they still can, to the other side of the universe. Londo isn't having any of this and he persuades Sheridan to talk with them. Of course, Sheridan will need someone present who knows about them... and who better than Londo Mollari himself? [...]
Londo turns up and sneakily places a recording device in the office. When Elric accuses him of setting this up, Londo denies it all, to which the technical wizard plays back a recording of Vir trying to arrange the meeting. He then destroys Londo's recording device and threatens the foolish ambassador.
Londo finally decides to apologise to Elric after his computer is riddled with holo-demons singing Narn opera and he is forced to own 500,000 shares in a spoo farm. Elric accepts his apology but leaves him the demons as a gift!
And you thought viruses were bad now!
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Old News - Babylon 5 "Illusion of Truth"By using simple smil commands in a URL, a CBS news report can become a short clip of George Bush saying "I can't do my job"
The concept of "selective editing" (a la Mike Moore
;-) was demonstrated very well in the Babylon 5 episode "Illusion of Truth".The B5 ISN news reporter Dan Randall edited the footage in an unethically truthful way just like Mike Moore
From "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (spoiler warning)
BTW, this Babylon 5 espisode is available on DVDFrom a second "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (spoiler warning)
From a third "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (spoiler warning)
And finally a fourth "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (minor spoiler warning)
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How "Skippy" Moore Will Edit Your Comment"Skippy" Moore* might emulate his older (younger?) brother Mike Moore by practicing deceitful editing of your comment in the future 'documentary' GreenWar:
" Hi. I work for Greenpeace.
If you are still a wee-bit confused about how Mike Moore editing works then you can check out the Babylon 5 episode "Illusion of Truth" which taught me that: ... we support ecoterrorism ... Greenpeace has a history of ... Violent Direct Actions for more than 30 years. ... We do ... ecoterrorism. ... speaking for Greenpeace, ... who just so happens to be an active reader of Slashdot ... You might not agree with protesting, but it's ... [a] type of terrorism ... It's quite obvious that this made the front page because of the people involved and the challenges that those people overcame."There is no immediately available record that Greenpeace ever took 'Direct Action' against violent dictatorships
"truth" might not always be ethical truth "truth" might actually be a deceitful truth
... remember that Dan Randall (the Babylon 5 news reporter) was very truthful... he just strung the facts together in an unethically truthful way just like Mike MooreFrom "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (spoiler warning)
* Note - it is not immediately known whether Mike Moore has an evil twin brother, evil younger brother, evil older brother, and/or sister named "Skippy" MooreFrom a second "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (spoiler warning)
From a third "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (spoiler warning)
And finally a fourth "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (minor spoiler warning)
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B5 "Illusions of Truth" is Better StillBabylon 5 - "Illusions of Truth"
Dare I suggest (as I think others have) that sci-fi from the past again provides a window on current events. Those confused/angry about claims that Mike Moore "lies", "distorts the truth", and/or "fabricates" would do well to first watch the Babylon 5 episode "Illusion of Truth" which taught me that:"truth" might not always be ethical truth "truth" might actually be a deceitful truth
... remember that Dan Randall (the Babylon 5 'news' reporter) was very truthful... he just strung the facts together in an unethically truthful way just like Mike MooreFrom "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (spoiler warning)
From a second "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (spoiler warning)
From a third "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (spoiler warning)
And finally a fourth "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (minor spoiler warning)
Orwell - his other writings apropos to current events
Many mention/imply that the USA is headed in the direction of Orwell's "1984" (perhaps F911 is an example of 1984 techniques in action). However, many are not aware of Orwell's other writings. For example, Notes on Nationalism:NEGATIVE NATIONALISM
(i) ANGLOPHOBIA. Within the [pseudo?]intelligentsia, a derisive and mildly hostile attitude towards Britain [United States?] is more or less compulsory, but it is an unfaked emotion in many cases. During the war it was manifested in the defeatism of the [pseudo?]intelligentsia, which persisted long after it had become clear that the Axis [Islamo-fascist?] powers could not win. Many people were undisguisedly pleased when Singapore fell ore when the British were driven out of Greece, and there was a remarkable unwillingness to believe in good news, e.g. el Alamein [Iraq? Afghanistan?], or the number of German planes shot down in the Battle of Britain. English [Liberal Western Democracy?] left-wing [pseudo?]intellectuals did not, of course, actually want the Germans or Japanese [Islamo-fascist groups/countries?] to win the war, but many of them could not help getting a certain kick out of seeing their own country humiliated, and wanted to feel that the final victory would be due to Russia [UN? 'world-community'], or perhaps America, and not to Britain. In foreign politics many [pseudo?]intellectuals follow the principle that any faction backed by Britain [United States?] must be in the wrong. As a result, [pseudo?] 'enlightened' opinion is quite largely a mirror-image of Conservative policy. Anglophobia is always liable to reversal, hence that fairly common spectacle, the pacifist of one war who is a bellicist in the next.One last thing
... I triple double dare you to watch the Iraq torture video clip -
B5 "Illusions of Truth" and OrwellI read the article but it did not really address Chris "I drink instead of smoking cloves" Hitchens' points (grin)
I will claim that Mike Moore does not "lie" per se
... rather Mike edits "creatively" ... May I ask you to read my entire post, consider all the links, especially the Babylon 5 "Illusion of Truth" plot summaries? The DVD is also available. You might also get a kick out of the Orwell aspects.BTW, Happy 4th
:-):-):-)F911 - deceitful truth
BEGIN EXAMPLE showing Mike Moore being truthful albeit in a deceitful manner:
At the end of F911 Michael Moore quotes Condoleeza Rice as saying,
Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11.
- Condi Rice as editied by Mike Moore[snip][snip][snip]
Pretty damning stuff, isn't it? But that was the truncated, Michael Moore version.
Now for the full, unexpurgated quote:
Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11. It's not that Saddam Hussein was somehow himself and his regime involved in 9/11, but, if you think about what caused 9/11, it is the rise of ideologies of hatred that lead people to drive airplanes into buildings in New York.
- Condi Rice without Mike Moore editingMike has taken a Condi quote and given it the polar opposite meaning from what she actually said. Now, Moore fans, consider this. There are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of hours of video of Condi Rice talking about Iraq. If Condi had ever actually said that there was a tie between Iraq and 9/11 then Moore would have used it. So, if the Bush administration had ever actually claimed that there was a connection between 9/11 and Iraq, why would Michael Moore feel the need to use these kind of editing tricks to try and prove his point?
Because nobody ever said it, and he damn well knows it. His entire premise is based on a lie.
END EXAMPLE showing Mike Moore being truthful albeit in a deceitful manner
Babylon 5 - deceitful truth
If you are still a wee-bit confused about how Mike Moore editing works then you can check out the Babylon 5 episode "Illusion of Truth" which taught me that:"truth" might not always be ethical truth
"truth" might actually be a deceitful truth
... remember that Dan Randall (the b5 ISN news reporter) was very truthful... he just strung the facts together in an unethically truthful way just like Mike MooreFrom
"Illusion of Truth" plot summary (spoiler warning)
From a second "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (spoiler warning)
From a third "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (spoiler warning)
And finally a fourth "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (minor spoiler warning)
Orwell - his other writings apropos to current events
Many mention/imply that the USA is headed in the direction of Orwell's "1984" (perhaps F911 is an example of 1984 techniques in action). However, many are not aware of Orwell's other writings. For example, Notes on Nationalism:NEGATIVE NATIONALISM
(i) ANGLOPHOBIA. Within the [pseudo?]intelligentsia, a derisive and mildly hostile attitude towards Britain [United States?] is more or less compulsory, but it is an -
B5 "Illusions of Truth" and Orwell"Most of these claimed 'deceits' by Dave Kopel are really bogus. Many of them aren't deceits at all." in other words "most but NOT all" (grin)
F911 - deceitful truth
BEGIN EXAMPLE showing Mike Moore being truthful albeit in a deceitful manner:
At the end of F911 Michael Moore quotes Condoleeza Rice as saying, "
Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11."
- Condi Rice as editied by Mike Moore[snip][snip][snip]
Pretty damning stuff, isn't it? But that was the truncated, Michael Moore version.
Now for the full, unexpurgated quote:
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Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11. It's not that Saddam Hussein was somehow himself and his regime involved in 9/11, but, if you think about what caused 9/11, it is the rise of ideologies of hatred that lead people to drive airplanes into buildings in New York."
- Condi Rice without Mike Moore editingMike has taken a Condi quote and given it the polar opposite meaning from what she actually said. Now, Moore fans, consider this. There are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of hours of video of Condi Rice talking about Iraq. If Condi had ever actually said that there was a tie between Iraq and 9/11 then Moore would have used it. So, if the Bush administration had ever actually claimed that there was a connection between 9/11 and Iraq, why would Michael Moore feel the need to use these kind of editing tricks to try and prove his point?
Because nobody ever said it, and he damn well knows it. His entire premise is based on a lie.
END EXAMPLE showing Mike Moore being truthful albeit in a deceitful manner
Babylon 5 - deceitful truth
If you are still a wee-bit confused about how Mike Moore editing works then you can check out the Babylon 5 episode "Illusion of Truth" which taught me that "truth" might not always be ethical truth and that "truth" might actually be a deceitful truth ... remember that Dan Randall (the b5 ISN news reporter) was very truthful... he just strung the facts together in an unethically truthful way just like Mike MooreFrom
"Illusion of Truth" plot summary (spoiler warning)
From a second "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (spoiler warning)
From a third "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (spoiler warning)
And finally a fourth "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (minor spoiler warning)
Orwell
Many mention/imply that the USA is headed in the direction of Orwell's "1984" (perhaps F911 is an example of 1984 techniques in action). However, many are not aware of Orwell's other writings. For example, Notes on Nationalism:NEGATIVE NATIONALISM
(i) ANGLOPHOBIA. Within the [pseudo?]intelligentsia, a derisive and mildly hostile attitude towards Britain [United States?] is more or less compulsory, but it is an unfaked emotion in many cases. During the war it was manifested in the defeatism of the [pseudo?]intelligentsia, which persisted long after it had become clear that the Axis [Islamo-fascist?] powers could not win. Many people were undisguisedly pleased when Singapore fell ore when the British were driven out of Greece, and there was a remarkable unwillingness to believe in good news, e.g. el Al -
Orwell / B5 / F911 [Re:Broadcast flag ...]"If stopping certain content from surfacing again is just a matter of limiting a few companies and organizations, we might even start doubting things we knew happened. Funny. Reminds me of a book I once read."
F911 - "stopping certain content from surfacing again"
Funny because it reminds me of a movie I am hearing a tremendous amount of buzz about where Mike Moore teaches the concept of editing out-of-context ... thus, as you say, "stopping certain content from surfacing again"BEGIN EXAMPLE showing Mike Moore attempting to "stop certain content from surfacing again":
At the end of F911 Michael Moore quotes Condoleeza Rice as saying, "
Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11."
- Condi Rice as editied by Mike MooreAs usual, just like he did with the Charlton Heston speech in BFC, Mike plays fast and loose with the truth through the world of editing.
Pretty damning stuff, isn't it? But that was the truncated, Michael Moore version.
Now for the full, unexpurgated quote:
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Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11. It's not that Saddam Hussein was somehow himself and his regime involved in 9/11, but, if you think about what caused 9/11, it is the rise of ideologies of hatred that lead people to drive airplanes into buildings in New York."
- Condi Rice without Mike Moore editingMike has taken a Condi quote and given it the polar opposite meaning from what she actually said. Now, Moore fans, consider this. There are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of hours of video of Condi Rice talking about Iraq. If Condi had ever actually said that there was a tie between Iraq and 9/11 then Moore would have used it. So, if the Bush administration had ever actually claimed that there was a connection between 9/11 and Iraq, why would Michael Moore feel the need to use these kind of editing tricks to try and prove his point?
Because nobody ever said it, and he damn well knows it. His entire premise is based on a lie.
END EXAMPLE showing Mike Moore attempting to "stop certain content from surfacing again"
I dare say this is a good example of how an individual (Mike Moore in F911) has, as you say, attempted to "stop certain content from surfacing again" Babylon 5 - "stopping certain content from surfacing again"
If you are still a wee-bit confused about how Mike Moore editing works then you can check out the Babylon 5 episode "Illusion of Truth" which taught me that "truth" might not always be ethical truth and that content that exists may be prevented from seeing the light of day ... remember that Dan Randall (the b5 ISN news reporter) was very truthful... he just strung the facts together in an unethically truthful way just like Mike MooreFrom
"Illusion of Truth" plot summary (spoiler warning)
From a second "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (spoiler warning)
From a thrid "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (spoiler warning)
And finally a fourth "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (minor spoiler warning)
Orwell
You wrote "reminds me of a book I once read" ... -
Your Comment Edited [Re:Invasion Targets]""Some long lost descendent of George Bush,
... will invade at least one of these planets .... " to liberate their inhabinets from a murderous tyrant who commits atrocities against civilization similar to what Saddam (Iraq torture video clip) inflicted against the Iraqi people in late-20th century Earth"Your above post as it might be quoted by your evil twin "Skippy" after having learned a thing or two about editing out-of-context from Mike Moore
If you are still a wee-bit confused about how Mike Moore editing works then you can check out the Babylon 5 episode "Illusion of Truth" which taught me that "truth" might not always be ethical truthSee how Mike Moore editing works? 'Skippy' truthfully quoted what you wrote. Isn't he great. 'Skippy' can now claim that he honestly quoted you. 'Skippy' has the facts correct. You might be angry that 'Skippy' added some extra stuff such that your original intent changes, but you are being mean because 'Skippy' did not put quotes (") around the extra stuff
... he just sort of added it at the end of your prediction of the future. Isn't 'Skippy' a swell guy?'Skippy' is practicing Mike Moore editing
... remember that Dan Randall (the b5 ISN news reporter) was very truthful ... he just strung the facts together in an unethically truthful way just like Mike MooreFrom "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (spoiler warning)
From a second "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (spoiler warning)
From a thrid "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (spoiler warning)
And finally a fourth "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (minor spoiler warning)
One last thing
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Ethical Truth? How About Ethical Film Makers?J. Michael Straczynski's Babylon 5 "Illusion of Truth" episode leads one to speculate JMS is aware of how "truth" might not always be ethical truth
... remember that Dan Randall (the b5 ISN news reporter) was very truthful ... he just strung the facts together in an unethically truthful wayFrom
"Illusion of Truth" plot summary (spoiler warning)
From a second "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (spoiler warning)
From a thrid "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (spoiler warning)
And finally a fourth "Illusion of Truth" plot summary (minor spoiler warning)
Ed Koch (democrat mayor of New York City from 1978 to 1989) might agree there is a need for "Ethical Film Makers"
Disagreeing with America's foreign policy and seeking to change it, responsibly or irresponsibly, is a fundamental right protected by the First Amendment.
Shaming those who do it irresponsibly [unethical Moore?] is our only lawful recourse and rightly so.
Senator John Kerry in criticizing United States' foreign policy and the incumbent president is acting responsibly, albeit I disagree with many of his views. On the other hand, Michael Moore, writer and director of the film "Fahrenheit 9/11," crosses that line regularly. The line is not set forth in the criminal statutes, but it is determined by Americans who know instinctively what actions and statements taken and uttered violate the obligations of responsibility and citizenship they deem applicable in time of war.
Franklin Roosevelt (president of usa during ww2) might agree there is a need for "Ethical Film Makers"
And, finally, there are a few among us who have deliberately and consciously closed their eyes because they were determined to be opposed to their government, its foreign policy and every other policy, to be partisan, and to believe that anything that the Government did was wholly wrong.
To those who have closed their eyes for any of these many reasons, to those who would not admit the possibility of the approaching storm--to all of them the past two weeks have meant the shattering of many illusions.
They have lost the illusion that we are remote and isolated and, therefore, secure against the dangers from which no other land is free.
In some quarters, with this rude awakening has come fear, bordering on panic. It is said that we are defenseless. It is whispered by some that only by abandoning our freedom, our ideals, our way of life, can we build our defenses adequately, can we match the strength of the aggressors.
I did not share those illusions. I do not share these fears
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But there is an added technique for weakening a nation at its very roots, for disrupting the entire pattern of life of a people. It is important that we understand it.The method is simple. It is, first, a dissemination of discord. A group--not too large- a group that may be sectional or racial or political--is encouraged to exploit its prejudices through false slogans and emotional appeals. The aim of those who deliberately egg on these groups is to create confusion of counsel, public indecision, political paralysis and, eventually, a state of panic.
Sound national policies come to be viewed with a new and unreasoning skepticism, not through the wholesome political debates of honest and free men, but through the clever schemes of foreign agents.
As a result of these new techniques, armament programs may be dangerously delayed. Singleness of national purpo
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Baker was misquoted
Baker didn't even make it as a claim. It's right there in the original article (the one this story links to misquotes him) that he was giving his opinion.
Speaking of Tom Baker, a couple of recent links: an mp3 of Tom fooling around with a commercial voiceover that's been circulating on the blogs lately, and another website with some Dr. Who prank calls, comedy skits, and also that aforementioned outtakes mp3. -
A coupleI was actually looking for the same thing a while so I collected some links. Here they are:
- Index Generator 2.0 is a freeware Windows-tool which has an easy interface and is fairly powerful too. The website is horrible though
:) - LinkScan 7.2 is a commercial tool for Unix/Windows that has a free evaluation version available. Haven't tried it out, does seem to have loads of features.
- Tree.pl is opensource and therefor easily customizable, but doesn't have too many features standard, so a good basis if you know Perl.
- Index Generator 2.0 is a freeware Windows-tool which has an easy interface and is fairly powerful too. The website is horrible though
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Speaking of gov't directed site killing...
Anybody have any info on this, like the URL for the often mentioned, never revealed, website?
If Geocities pulled it, anybody have a cached copy?
UK ACTS TO STOP SPY WEBSITE...
SPY POSTER CALLED: TRAITOR...