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"It's terrible," De Raadt says. "Everyone is using it, and they don't realize how bad it is. And the Linux people will just stick with it and add to it rather than stepping back and saying, 'This is garbage and we should fix it.'"

The bottom line is that it works better than commercial software. Anyone can look at the source code and see the comments, which are blunt about what needs fixing and how crappy the hardware is. Even commercial Linux rocks next to popular alternatives. For ease of installation, use, relative protection from mal and spyware, you can't beat a distribution like Mepis. Winners can step up to pure Debian, "losers" can fall all the way down to Caldera Open Linux and still do better than what 90% of the world uses.

There's also a difference in motivation. "Linux people do what they do because they hate Microsoft. We do what we do because we love Unix," De Raadt says. The irony, however, is that while noisy Linux fanatics make a great deal out of their hatred for Microsoft (nasdaq: MSFT - news - people ), De Raadt says their beloved program is starting to look a lot like what Microsoft puts out. "They have the same rapid development cycle, which leads to crap," he says.

That's what Micrososoft would have everyone believe, and so Microsoft is worth hating. People use Linux for freedom and the superior performance it brings. Study after study show this. Why people like Dan Lyons don't get it is beyond me, except that he might be a Fanboy.

Let's look back at other nasty junk he's written:

• seems to have noticed Red Hat in 1999, cites M$ hatred as reason d'etre.
• Big SCO supporter who's finally turned around? I doubt it. His long series of BS about SCO is where I remember him from. What a HUGE TROLL.
• Others use him as a case study of what's wrong with Tech Journalism. They are being generous and ignoring his pro-M$ slant.
• Here's another guy who's being generous.

Dan Lyons, you are a shill. I dare you to make the entire tapes of your interview with Theo available. Anything less is second hand BS and the kind of thing the web makes obsolete.

BGE - Bitter Groklaw Exile
A group of folks who became disenchanted with PJ and started a new site http://www.ip-wars.net/.
They are hounded by a troll from the CKX board (cdbaric, hence the barbaric reference) who seems to beleive he is helping make the internet safe for all of us.

Last night I posted a diary entry on ipw about B5.

-- TWZ

http://www.ip-wars.net/story/2005/1/7/143919/5252

-- TWZ

it's only right someone provides a place where anyone can rant against Groklaw.

Try ip-wars. It's hilarious.

You can find a transcript of the order here on IP-Wars.net. Groklaw has an article about the ruling.

I think the order is outrageous personally. IBM's being ordered to produce all versions of AIX and Dynix along with notes, whitepapers, and all that fun stuff. This is going to be a mountain of code and documents considering that AIX is 20 years old.

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You can find a transcript of the order here on IP-Wars.net. Groklaw has an article about the ruling.

I think the order is outrageous personally. IBM's being ordered to produce all versions of AIX and Dynix along with notes, whitepapers, and all that fun stuff. This is going to be a mountain of code and documents considering that AIX is 20 years old.

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Sounds like you haven't been there lately, keep in mind it is just about a month old now and still growing.

Also it has one very clear advantage over GrokLaw, what you post there remains there and is not deleted if you disagree with the prevailing viewpoint.

http://www.ip-wars.net/

Yes, that's much more accurate. The way you said it the first time made it sound like I was anonymously trolling there. Thank you for clarifying it.

Well, that's one of the things you do, and many of 'The Groklaw Disappeared', including me, are now contributing to www.IP-Wars.Net instead. IP-Wars was created by Jeff Causey in the wake of the latest round of user account anonymizations, deletions, and subsequent resignations, at Groklaw.

GL primarily focuses on SCO and software patents - and given Pam Jones' previous affiliation with OSRM, she doesn't have a lot credibility on the patent issues.

IP-Wars.net is focusing on a much broader range of intellectual property issues and will probably be better to able to sustain itself better than GL, and continue providing important information once the SCO v. World skirmishes are over. If you suspect I've chosen the word 'skirmishes' there because there are likely to be further battles over intellectual property in the future, then you've suspected correctly.

IP-Wars is also run on far more open principles, with articles submitted by anyone, and front-paged if its good enough to get people to vote for it. There are no post deletions, as it uses the SCOOP moderation system to vote SPAM, etc. down.

Finally, Jeff has committed to listening to the community, has actually done so, repeatedly, and has committed to running the site on the same principles as Open Source and Creative Commons, going so far as to guarantee that deep-linking - which is prohibited at Groklaw - will be allowed at IP-Wars by placing the entire site, including user comments, under a Creative Commons Attribution - Share-Alike license.

We can't. Only Pam Jones can change it. But the voices raised in opposition to her policies and whim-based moderation have had some effect. We have forced Pam to make some changes.

For instance, after a discussion on Y!SCOX, the licensing grant was changed throughout the Groklaw site to clarify that only articles and some other administrative content were licensed under CCL, whereas the posts were copyright to the owners and not licensed at all, absent specific notification by the poster. Pam also prohibited deep-linking as part of the change. It's not really what anyone wanted, but it is an improvement to the extent that Pam's intent is now clarified and available for everyone to see.

Another change is the new wording in the Groklaw policies and guidelines that warn anyone posting there that their attributions will be removed in the event of an account deletion, and that they should sig their posts if they want to be ensured of retaining attribution. Again, not an ideal solution, but at least Pam's carefree attitude toward attribution is now in words.

In the meantime, you stay vocal about the continuing ethical breaches, such as serving up deleted members' posts anonymously, and take it from there if they are not resolved.

My take on Why We Hate SCO -- TWZ

A Brief History of GrokWar gives the short form.

-- TWZ

So a posting to Slashdot about the SCO v. Daimler case is astroturfing?

It is interesting that a member's GrokLaw post mentioneing the Slashdot story was deleted this morning. Guess you can only get your SCO news at one source.

The original story links GrokLaw, IP-Wars, Slashdot and SCO Facts not a lot of bias there.

Maybe if this had been covered on GrokLaw there would have been a better story to link to.

Al's site may not get the direct readship GrokLaw does, but if you look at the links on GrokLaw to SCO Facts legal documents you see Al has played a good part in getting the docs out there.

Now that Al, Harlan and others have found a place to post at http://www.ip-wars.net/ GrokLaw may realiaze it isn't the only game in town.

Read some of Harlan's posts on http://www.ip-wars.net/

If you only read GrokLaw you are mostly only getting one side of the story, a lot of the good posts with the other side are simply gone.

• john gabriel
• harlan
• al_petrofsky
• talk_to_birds
• rushing
• br3n

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According to this ip-wars.net story, this 13-page pdf of images is the motion to intervene. A comment at ip-wars contains a text transcription.

According to this ip-wars.net story, this 13-page pdf of images is the motion to intervene. A comment at ip-wars contains a text transcription.