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Re:Oh noes!
> By contrast, neither the vedas nor the quran can claim even 100 years of constant text
Nice try at FUD there...
For anyone who's interested in codification of Qur'an from a purely historical/archaeological perspective (ie. religion aside) can read the following article:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Dome_Of_The_Rock/Estwitness.html -
Re:"Here's your problem"> The Qu'ran, far from being "the unaltered word of God", is actually
> an horrific and savage compilation of distilled hatred.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/orientalism.html You apparently do not understand Orientalism.
The page you linked to, which you apparently did not read or understand, says "Once a sincere seeker of the Truth is aware of the long standing misunderstanding and hostility between Islam and the West and learns not to trust everything which they see in print authentic knowledge and information can be gained much more quickly."
Do you see how that is different from reading the Korean yourself and forming a negative opinion? The problem is when people read old texts that are biased against Islam and use them to form their opinions. It does NOT APPLY to people who gain their own understanding of Islam and decide they don't like it. > The same is true for the other Muslim "holy books", the various
> collections of hadith (sayings of the so-called "prophet") that various
> factions believe are more or less authentic (the Sunni and Shi'a have
> their own favored set each, same for other sects).
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/Ulum/ What does your link have to do with the argument? Which part are you trying to disprove? > Islam is not simply a religion; it is a design guidebook for the
> creation of a totalitarian state in which the "supreme leader" (Caliph)
> and his stooges get to use religion as an excuse to be really crappy to
> everyone else.
See first point. Ditto... > And Mohammed, far from being a prophet, was an opportunist who
> figured like Akenaten, Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard that he
> could use religion as a tool and scam. Look at the various things
> he was "exempted" from. He "limited" other men to only 4 wives
> (already a mysoginistic bastard but we'll move on), but he himself
> got at least an even dozen
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/lie.html Eww, what a bad argument. That page doesn't DENY anything, it just says that Islam is better than what was there before. First of all, that's wrong. Second of all, that doesn't make it good today (i.e. the rest of the world has advanced even more than Muhammed's "great social reforms"). > plus he fucked a 5 year old (Aisha) just because he got bored with
> adults. He raped a girl who had just seen her entire family slaughtered
> (Safiya) and then retroactively declared it a "marriage" the next day
> when his troops started complaining.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/aishah.html
(Note, I don't agree with some of the non factual comments made in the article - I'm linking it only for its factual content) Wow, what a compelling argument. The article says to suspend your "Western idea of happiness" when considering whether it's a good act. Gee, I'm sure nobody here has heard of moral relativism before, thanks for the helpful link! The question, though, is whether Muhammed is someone to esteem TODAY, by OUR values. The answer is no. -
Re:"Here's your problem"> The Qu'ran, far from being "the unaltered word of God", is actually
> an horrific and savage compilation of distilled hatred.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/orientalism.html You apparently do not understand Orientalism.
The page you linked to, which you apparently did not read or understand, says "Once a sincere seeker of the Truth is aware of the long standing misunderstanding and hostility between Islam and the West and learns not to trust everything which they see in print authentic knowledge and information can be gained much more quickly."
Do you see how that is different from reading the Korean yourself and forming a negative opinion? The problem is when people read old texts that are biased against Islam and use them to form their opinions. It does NOT APPLY to people who gain their own understanding of Islam and decide they don't like it. > The same is true for the other Muslim "holy books", the various
> collections of hadith (sayings of the so-called "prophet") that various
> factions believe are more or less authentic (the Sunni and Shi'a have
> their own favored set each, same for other sects).
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/Ulum/ What does your link have to do with the argument? Which part are you trying to disprove? > Islam is not simply a religion; it is a design guidebook for the
> creation of a totalitarian state in which the "supreme leader" (Caliph)
> and his stooges get to use religion as an excuse to be really crappy to
> everyone else.
See first point. Ditto... > And Mohammed, far from being a prophet, was an opportunist who
> figured like Akenaten, Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard that he
> could use religion as a tool and scam. Look at the various things
> he was "exempted" from. He "limited" other men to only 4 wives
> (already a mysoginistic bastard but we'll move on), but he himself
> got at least an even dozen
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/lie.html Eww, what a bad argument. That page doesn't DENY anything, it just says that Islam is better than what was there before. First of all, that's wrong. Second of all, that doesn't make it good today (i.e. the rest of the world has advanced even more than Muhammed's "great social reforms"). > plus he fucked a 5 year old (Aisha) just because he got bored with
> adults. He raped a girl who had just seen her entire family slaughtered
> (Safiya) and then retroactively declared it a "marriage" the next day
> when his troops started complaining.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/aishah.html
(Note, I don't agree with some of the non factual comments made in the article - I'm linking it only for its factual content) Wow, what a compelling argument. The article says to suspend your "Western idea of happiness" when considering whether it's a good act. Gee, I'm sure nobody here has heard of moral relativism before, thanks for the helpful link! The question, though, is whether Muhammed is someone to esteem TODAY, by OUR values. The answer is no. -
Re:"Here's your problem"> The Qu'ran, far from being "the unaltered word of God", is actually
> an horrific and savage compilation of distilled hatred.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/orientalism.html You apparently do not understand Orientalism.
The page you linked to, which you apparently did not read or understand, says "Once a sincere seeker of the Truth is aware of the long standing misunderstanding and hostility between Islam and the West and learns not to trust everything which they see in print authentic knowledge and information can be gained much more quickly."
Do you see how that is different from reading the Korean yourself and forming a negative opinion? The problem is when people read old texts that are biased against Islam and use them to form their opinions. It does NOT APPLY to people who gain their own understanding of Islam and decide they don't like it. > The same is true for the other Muslim "holy books", the various
> collections of hadith (sayings of the so-called "prophet") that various
> factions believe are more or less authentic (the Sunni and Shi'a have
> their own favored set each, same for other sects).
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/Ulum/ What does your link have to do with the argument? Which part are you trying to disprove? > Islam is not simply a religion; it is a design guidebook for the
> creation of a totalitarian state in which the "supreme leader" (Caliph)
> and his stooges get to use religion as an excuse to be really crappy to
> everyone else.
See first point. Ditto... > And Mohammed, far from being a prophet, was an opportunist who
> figured like Akenaten, Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard that he
> could use religion as a tool and scam. Look at the various things
> he was "exempted" from. He "limited" other men to only 4 wives
> (already a mysoginistic bastard but we'll move on), but he himself
> got at least an even dozen
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/lie.html Eww, what a bad argument. That page doesn't DENY anything, it just says that Islam is better than what was there before. First of all, that's wrong. Second of all, that doesn't make it good today (i.e. the rest of the world has advanced even more than Muhammed's "great social reforms"). > plus he fucked a 5 year old (Aisha) just because he got bored with
> adults. He raped a girl who had just seen her entire family slaughtered
> (Safiya) and then retroactively declared it a "marriage" the next day
> when his troops started complaining.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/aishah.html
(Note, I don't agree with some of the non factual comments made in the article - I'm linking it only for its factual content) Wow, what a compelling argument. The article says to suspend your "Western idea of happiness" when considering whether it's a good act. Gee, I'm sure nobody here has heard of moral relativism before, thanks for the helpful link! The question, though, is whether Muhammed is someone to esteem TODAY, by OUR values. The answer is no. -
Re:"Here's your problem"> The Qu'ran, far from being "the unaltered word of God", is actually
> an horrific and savage compilation of distilled hatred.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/orientalism.html You apparently do not understand Orientalism.
The page you linked to, which you apparently did not read or understand, says "Once a sincere seeker of the Truth is aware of the long standing misunderstanding and hostility between Islam and the West and learns not to trust everything which they see in print authentic knowledge and information can be gained much more quickly."
Do you see how that is different from reading the Korean yourself and forming a negative opinion? The problem is when people read old texts that are biased against Islam and use them to form their opinions. It does NOT APPLY to people who gain their own understanding of Islam and decide they don't like it. > The same is true for the other Muslim "holy books", the various
> collections of hadith (sayings of the so-called "prophet") that various
> factions believe are more or less authentic (the Sunni and Shi'a have
> their own favored set each, same for other sects).
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/Ulum/ What does your link have to do with the argument? Which part are you trying to disprove? > Islam is not simply a religion; it is a design guidebook for the
> creation of a totalitarian state in which the "supreme leader" (Caliph)
> and his stooges get to use religion as an excuse to be really crappy to
> everyone else.
See first point. Ditto... > And Mohammed, far from being a prophet, was an opportunist who
> figured like Akenaten, Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard that he
> could use religion as a tool and scam. Look at the various things
> he was "exempted" from. He "limited" other men to only 4 wives
> (already a mysoginistic bastard but we'll move on), but he himself
> got at least an even dozen
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/lie.html Eww, what a bad argument. That page doesn't DENY anything, it just says that Islam is better than what was there before. First of all, that's wrong. Second of all, that doesn't make it good today (i.e. the rest of the world has advanced even more than Muhammed's "great social reforms"). > plus he fucked a 5 year old (Aisha) just because he got bored with
> adults. He raped a girl who had just seen her entire family slaughtered
> (Safiya) and then retroactively declared it a "marriage" the next day
> when his troops started complaining.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/aishah.html
(Note, I don't agree with some of the non factual comments made in the article - I'm linking it only for its factual content) Wow, what a compelling argument. The article says to suspend your "Western idea of happiness" when considering whether it's a good act. Gee, I'm sure nobody here has heard of moral relativism before, thanks for the helpful link! The question, though, is whether Muhammed is someone to esteem TODAY, by OUR values. The answer is no. -
Re:"Here's your problem"
> The Qu'ran, far from being "the unaltered word of God", is actually
> an horrific and savage compilation of distilled hatred.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/orientalism.html
> Work on collecting the verses wasn't even begun until long after Mohammed
> was dead, and it was pieced together from people who claimed to have known
> him or known people who knew him.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Dome_Of_The_Rock/Estwitness.html
> Thus it's put together out of chronological order (already one alteration)
> and to try to claim "Mohammed" wrote it is laughable.
No Muslim ever claimed this. FUD.
> The same is true for the other Muslim "holy books", the various
> collections of hadith (sayings of the so-called "prophet") that various
> factions believe are more or less authentic (the Sunni and Shi'a have
> their own favored set each, same for other sects).
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/Ulum/
> Islam is not simply a religion; it is a design guidebook for the
> creation of a totalitarian state in which the "supreme leader" (Caliph)
> and his stooges get to use religion as an excuse to be really crappy to
> everyone else.
See first point.
> And it's a lot easier to keep your population under control if they're
> too stupid to know better and terrified that a revolt might stop them
> from reaching "heaven."
I couldn't agree more with the first part of this point, but it's not specific to Islam, Muslim countries, secular countries, Christian countries etc - for example, I've been arguing the same point about Australia for a while now.
The second part has nothing to do with the first part, but, btw, Islam encourages revolt against unjust rulers. Why is it not happening in certain countries is a different topic.
> And Mohammed, far from being a prophet, was an opportunist who
> figured like Akenaten, Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard that he
> could use religion as a tool and scam. Look at the various things
> he was "exempted" from. He "limited" other men to only 4 wives
> (already a mysoginistic bastard but we'll move on), but he himself
> got at least an even dozen
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/lie.html
> plus he fucked a 5 year old (Aisha) just because he got bored with
> adults. He raped a girl who had just seen her entire family slaughtered
> (Safiya) and then retroactively declared it a "marriage" the next day
> when his troops started complaining.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/aishah.html
(Note, I don't agree with some of the non factual comments made in the article - I'm linking it only for its factual content)
> Muslims like to try to rewrite history to hide embarassing details -
> such as the nature of the Ka'aba, their "holy box", which predates Mohammed.
Why yes, yes it does. The fact that it does is a big part of the Islam.
> Mohammed's grandfather was a pagan priest of a specific deity of the Quraish
> tribe. He named his son (Mohammed's dad) "Abd'allah", literally "Slave of Allah."
> This was before the monotheistic "Allah" was cooked up by Mohammed.
>
> Question: Which pagan deity is Allah? Or else who was Abd'allah named for?
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/moongod.html
> Islam is a joke. The more educated Muslims you get, the more educated
> ex-Muslims you'll have as they wake up -
Re:"Here's your problem"
> The Qu'ran, far from being "the unaltered word of God", is actually
> an horrific and savage compilation of distilled hatred.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/orientalism.html
> Work on collecting the verses wasn't even begun until long after Mohammed
> was dead, and it was pieced together from people who claimed to have known
> him or known people who knew him.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Dome_Of_The_Rock/Estwitness.html
> Thus it's put together out of chronological order (already one alteration)
> and to try to claim "Mohammed" wrote it is laughable.
No Muslim ever claimed this. FUD.
> The same is true for the other Muslim "holy books", the various
> collections of hadith (sayings of the so-called "prophet") that various
> factions believe are more or less authentic (the Sunni and Shi'a have
> their own favored set each, same for other sects).
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/Ulum/
> Islam is not simply a religion; it is a design guidebook for the
> creation of a totalitarian state in which the "supreme leader" (Caliph)
> and his stooges get to use religion as an excuse to be really crappy to
> everyone else.
See first point.
> And it's a lot easier to keep your population under control if they're
> too stupid to know better and terrified that a revolt might stop them
> from reaching "heaven."
I couldn't agree more with the first part of this point, but it's not specific to Islam, Muslim countries, secular countries, Christian countries etc - for example, I've been arguing the same point about Australia for a while now.
The second part has nothing to do with the first part, but, btw, Islam encourages revolt against unjust rulers. Why is it not happening in certain countries is a different topic.
> And Mohammed, far from being a prophet, was an opportunist who
> figured like Akenaten, Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard that he
> could use religion as a tool and scam. Look at the various things
> he was "exempted" from. He "limited" other men to only 4 wives
> (already a mysoginistic bastard but we'll move on), but he himself
> got at least an even dozen
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/lie.html
> plus he fucked a 5 year old (Aisha) just because he got bored with
> adults. He raped a girl who had just seen her entire family slaughtered
> (Safiya) and then retroactively declared it a "marriage" the next day
> when his troops started complaining.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/aishah.html
(Note, I don't agree with some of the non factual comments made in the article - I'm linking it only for its factual content)
> Muslims like to try to rewrite history to hide embarassing details -
> such as the nature of the Ka'aba, their "holy box", which predates Mohammed.
Why yes, yes it does. The fact that it does is a big part of the Islam.
> Mohammed's grandfather was a pagan priest of a specific deity of the Quraish
> tribe. He named his son (Mohammed's dad) "Abd'allah", literally "Slave of Allah."
> This was before the monotheistic "Allah" was cooked up by Mohammed.
>
> Question: Which pagan deity is Allah? Or else who was Abd'allah named for?
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/moongod.html
> Islam is a joke. The more educated Muslims you get, the more educated
> ex-Muslims you'll have as they wake up -
Re:"Here's your problem"
> The Qu'ran, far from being "the unaltered word of God", is actually
> an horrific and savage compilation of distilled hatred.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/orientalism.html
> Work on collecting the verses wasn't even begun until long after Mohammed
> was dead, and it was pieced together from people who claimed to have known
> him or known people who knew him.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Dome_Of_The_Rock/Estwitness.html
> Thus it's put together out of chronological order (already one alteration)
> and to try to claim "Mohammed" wrote it is laughable.
No Muslim ever claimed this. FUD.
> The same is true for the other Muslim "holy books", the various
> collections of hadith (sayings of the so-called "prophet") that various
> factions believe are more or less authentic (the Sunni and Shi'a have
> their own favored set each, same for other sects).
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/Ulum/
> Islam is not simply a religion; it is a design guidebook for the
> creation of a totalitarian state in which the "supreme leader" (Caliph)
> and his stooges get to use religion as an excuse to be really crappy to
> everyone else.
See first point.
> And it's a lot easier to keep your population under control if they're
> too stupid to know better and terrified that a revolt might stop them
> from reaching "heaven."
I couldn't agree more with the first part of this point, but it's not specific to Islam, Muslim countries, secular countries, Christian countries etc - for example, I've been arguing the same point about Australia for a while now.
The second part has nothing to do with the first part, but, btw, Islam encourages revolt against unjust rulers. Why is it not happening in certain countries is a different topic.
> And Mohammed, far from being a prophet, was an opportunist who
> figured like Akenaten, Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard that he
> could use religion as a tool and scam. Look at the various things
> he was "exempted" from. He "limited" other men to only 4 wives
> (already a mysoginistic bastard but we'll move on), but he himself
> got at least an even dozen
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/lie.html
> plus he fucked a 5 year old (Aisha) just because he got bored with
> adults. He raped a girl who had just seen her entire family slaughtered
> (Safiya) and then retroactively declared it a "marriage" the next day
> when his troops started complaining.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/aishah.html
(Note, I don't agree with some of the non factual comments made in the article - I'm linking it only for its factual content)
> Muslims like to try to rewrite history to hide embarassing details -
> such as the nature of the Ka'aba, their "holy box", which predates Mohammed.
Why yes, yes it does. The fact that it does is a big part of the Islam.
> Mohammed's grandfather was a pagan priest of a specific deity of the Quraish
> tribe. He named his son (Mohammed's dad) "Abd'allah", literally "Slave of Allah."
> This was before the monotheistic "Allah" was cooked up by Mohammed.
>
> Question: Which pagan deity is Allah? Or else who was Abd'allah named for?
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/moongod.html
> Islam is a joke. The more educated Muslims you get, the more educated
> ex-Muslims you'll have as they wake up -
Re:"Here's your problem"
> The Qu'ran, far from being "the unaltered word of God", is actually
> an horrific and savage compilation of distilled hatred.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/orientalism.html
> Work on collecting the verses wasn't even begun until long after Mohammed
> was dead, and it was pieced together from people who claimed to have known
> him or known people who knew him.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Dome_Of_The_Rock/Estwitness.html
> Thus it's put together out of chronological order (already one alteration)
> and to try to claim "Mohammed" wrote it is laughable.
No Muslim ever claimed this. FUD.
> The same is true for the other Muslim "holy books", the various
> collections of hadith (sayings of the so-called "prophet") that various
> factions believe are more or less authentic (the Sunni and Shi'a have
> their own favored set each, same for other sects).
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/Ulum/
> Islam is not simply a religion; it is a design guidebook for the
> creation of a totalitarian state in which the "supreme leader" (Caliph)
> and his stooges get to use religion as an excuse to be really crappy to
> everyone else.
See first point.
> And it's a lot easier to keep your population under control if they're
> too stupid to know better and terrified that a revolt might stop them
> from reaching "heaven."
I couldn't agree more with the first part of this point, but it's not specific to Islam, Muslim countries, secular countries, Christian countries etc - for example, I've been arguing the same point about Australia for a while now.
The second part has nothing to do with the first part, but, btw, Islam encourages revolt against unjust rulers. Why is it not happening in certain countries is a different topic.
> And Mohammed, far from being a prophet, was an opportunist who
> figured like Akenaten, Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard that he
> could use religion as a tool and scam. Look at the various things
> he was "exempted" from. He "limited" other men to only 4 wives
> (already a mysoginistic bastard but we'll move on), but he himself
> got at least an even dozen
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/lie.html
> plus he fucked a 5 year old (Aisha) just because he got bored with
> adults. He raped a girl who had just seen her entire family slaughtered
> (Safiya) and then retroactively declared it a "marriage" the next day
> when his troops started complaining.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/aishah.html
(Note, I don't agree with some of the non factual comments made in the article - I'm linking it only for its factual content)
> Muslims like to try to rewrite history to hide embarassing details -
> such as the nature of the Ka'aba, their "holy box", which predates Mohammed.
Why yes, yes it does. The fact that it does is a big part of the Islam.
> Mohammed's grandfather was a pagan priest of a specific deity of the Quraish
> tribe. He named his son (Mohammed's dad) "Abd'allah", literally "Slave of Allah."
> This was before the monotheistic "Allah" was cooked up by Mohammed.
>
> Question: Which pagan deity is Allah? Or else who was Abd'allah named for?
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/moongod.html
> Islam is a joke. The more educated Muslims you get, the more educated
> ex-Muslims you'll have as they wake up -
Re:"Here's your problem"
> The Qu'ran, far from being "the unaltered word of God", is actually
> an horrific and savage compilation of distilled hatred.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/orientalism.html
> Work on collecting the verses wasn't even begun until long after Mohammed
> was dead, and it was pieced together from people who claimed to have known
> him or known people who knew him.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Dome_Of_The_Rock/Estwitness.html
> Thus it's put together out of chronological order (already one alteration)
> and to try to claim "Mohammed" wrote it is laughable.
No Muslim ever claimed this. FUD.
> The same is true for the other Muslim "holy books", the various
> collections of hadith (sayings of the so-called "prophet") that various
> factions believe are more or less authentic (the Sunni and Shi'a have
> their own favored set each, same for other sects).
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/Ulum/
> Islam is not simply a religion; it is a design guidebook for the
> creation of a totalitarian state in which the "supreme leader" (Caliph)
> and his stooges get to use religion as an excuse to be really crappy to
> everyone else.
See first point.
> And it's a lot easier to keep your population under control if they're
> too stupid to know better and terrified that a revolt might stop them
> from reaching "heaven."
I couldn't agree more with the first part of this point, but it's not specific to Islam, Muslim countries, secular countries, Christian countries etc - for example, I've been arguing the same point about Australia for a while now.
The second part has nothing to do with the first part, but, btw, Islam encourages revolt against unjust rulers. Why is it not happening in certain countries is a different topic.
> And Mohammed, far from being a prophet, was an opportunist who
> figured like Akenaten, Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard that he
> could use religion as a tool and scam. Look at the various things
> he was "exempted" from. He "limited" other men to only 4 wives
> (already a mysoginistic bastard but we'll move on), but he himself
> got at least an even dozen
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/lie.html
> plus he fucked a 5 year old (Aisha) just because he got bored with
> adults. He raped a girl who had just seen her entire family slaughtered
> (Safiya) and then retroactively declared it a "marriage" the next day
> when his troops started complaining.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/aishah.html
(Note, I don't agree with some of the non factual comments made in the article - I'm linking it only for its factual content)
> Muslims like to try to rewrite history to hide embarassing details -
> such as the nature of the Ka'aba, their "holy box", which predates Mohammed.
Why yes, yes it does. The fact that it does is a big part of the Islam.
> Mohammed's grandfather was a pagan priest of a specific deity of the Quraish
> tribe. He named his son (Mohammed's dad) "Abd'allah", literally "Slave of Allah."
> This was before the monotheistic "Allah" was cooked up by Mohammed.
>
> Question: Which pagan deity is Allah? Or else who was Abd'allah named for?
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/moongod.html
> Islam is a joke. The more educated Muslims you get, the more educated
> ex-Muslims you'll have as they wake up -
Re:"Here's your problem"
> The Qu'ran, far from being "the unaltered word of God", is actually
> an horrific and savage compilation of distilled hatred.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/orientalism.html
> Work on collecting the verses wasn't even begun until long after Mohammed
> was dead, and it was pieced together from people who claimed to have known
> him or known people who knew him.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Dome_Of_The_Rock/Estwitness.html
> Thus it's put together out of chronological order (already one alteration)
> and to try to claim "Mohammed" wrote it is laughable.
No Muslim ever claimed this. FUD.
> The same is true for the other Muslim "holy books", the various
> collections of hadith (sayings of the so-called "prophet") that various
> factions believe are more or less authentic (the Sunni and Shi'a have
> their own favored set each, same for other sects).
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/Ulum/
> Islam is not simply a religion; it is a design guidebook for the
> creation of a totalitarian state in which the "supreme leader" (Caliph)
> and his stooges get to use religion as an excuse to be really crappy to
> everyone else.
See first point.
> And it's a lot easier to keep your population under control if they're
> too stupid to know better and terrified that a revolt might stop them
> from reaching "heaven."
I couldn't agree more with the first part of this point, but it's not specific to Islam, Muslim countries, secular countries, Christian countries etc - for example, I've been arguing the same point about Australia for a while now.
The second part has nothing to do with the first part, but, btw, Islam encourages revolt against unjust rulers. Why is it not happening in certain countries is a different topic.
> And Mohammed, far from being a prophet, was an opportunist who
> figured like Akenaten, Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard that he
> could use religion as a tool and scam. Look at the various things
> he was "exempted" from. He "limited" other men to only 4 wives
> (already a mysoginistic bastard but we'll move on), but he himself
> got at least an even dozen
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/lie.html
> plus he fucked a 5 year old (Aisha) just because he got bored with
> adults. He raped a girl who had just seen her entire family slaughtered
> (Safiya) and then retroactively declared it a "marriage" the next day
> when his troops started complaining.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/aishah.html
(Note, I don't agree with some of the non factual comments made in the article - I'm linking it only for its factual content)
> Muslims like to try to rewrite history to hide embarassing details -
> such as the nature of the Ka'aba, their "holy box", which predates Mohammed.
Why yes, yes it does. The fact that it does is a big part of the Islam.
> Mohammed's grandfather was a pagan priest of a specific deity of the Quraish
> tribe. He named his son (Mohammed's dad) "Abd'allah", literally "Slave of Allah."
> This was before the monotheistic "Allah" was cooked up by Mohammed.
>
> Question: Which pagan deity is Allah? Or else who was Abd'allah named for?
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/moongod.html
> Islam is a joke. The more educated Muslims you get, the more educated
> ex-Muslims you'll have as they wake up -
Take that moon deity bit with a grain of salt.
Um, it's not. Depending on which part of the koran you read, Islam can be sightly polytheistic, and "Allah" came from the name of the "moon god". My first google search yields: this link
Take that with a grain of salt. My workplace blocks that website under the grounds of "Hate Speech." Most sites that support the position that Allah is the ancient Arabic moon deity Ilah all quote from Morey. A few more links down in a Google search for "allah moon deity" reveals this long rebuttal to Morey. Morey's argument doesn't really account for why the Law of Moses is taken as the root basis for Quranic Law (much like English Common Law is the root of US Constitutional Law). -
Re:Iraq (and Yet...)
I've always heard Muslim's say that Islam accepts Jesus--Peace be Upon Him--as a prophet, but not as Lord. The Bible, however, is regarded as the foundation for the Koran, and, as I've learned from googling just now, Mohammed is instructed to look to the Bible for confirmation of His revelations. To explain this, some scholars say the New Testament Books (and the Torah) are corrupted. Others say they can't be corrupted because they are the word of God, but they have been misinterpred by Christians and Jews, at least I think that's the argument. It's a little complex.
A few links: A, B, C