Domain: juga.com
Stories and comments across the archive that link to juga.com.
Comments · 11
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Re:Awesome
Who knows what happens to enemy combatants.
Cyber Guantanamo. Maybe they could swipe a small beach from Cyber Yugoslavia
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Re:Declare independanceWhat about that Cyber-Yugoslavia project? What better place to declare internet law than a country that exists only on the internet?
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Re:Seriously, the Sanitary NapkinAnd the "over the shoulder boulder holder" - the bra.
Designed to allow women to do more strenuous tasks without their bits flopping around (first prototype was made out of handherchiefs and string, IIRC..)
My jury is still out on the WonderBra, though... Excellent when worn, although removal can sometimes disappoint... Advertising standards, anyone?
#include "offtopic.h"
Seeing as the trained squirrels at /. (a description I'm beginning to feel is increasingly accurate...:( )don't seem to think that an online citizenship is either news for nerds or stuff that matters, I'll put the link in here... Join the first cyber nation!
#include "rant.h"
Would be nice if the submission process got a reason for rejection - something like "already posted/not interesting enough/poorly worded...". I've submitted 5 stories recently, all rejected for no apparent reason. So, fuck it, I'll restrict my contribution to /. to just comment postings...
Strong data typing is for those with weak minds.
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Re:U. S. of Y.
or if starting yor own country is too much work, you could join a new 'cyber nation' already in progress CY: http://www.juga.com/.
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Re:It focuses and helps to spawn ..
Actually, this has sorta happened already. Remeber the story about Cyber Yugoslavia, the entirely virtual nation? About 3/8 of the people registered as citizens signed up on August 8 of this year... the day it was posted on ...or some cybernation /. -
And what of freedom?
This Cyber Yugoslovia may sound intriguing on paper (or on the CRT). It may even have some value as a social experiment. But what about the real war that's being waged right now between the <insert country here> government and the people? What of freedom?
Compare this Cyber Yuga to A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace. When the latter was written, it seemed whimsical. But as time goes on, and the US and other governments wander farther and farther from the ideals of freedom and law, that Declaration starts looking a whole lot more important, doesn't it?
I see this Cyber Yuga as a simple perpetuation of an outmoded concept. As physical constraints evaporate before technology, these people would continue their exclusivist practices in a new world. They'd make a "country" where they can be "citizens". They'd surrender their power to a government. And in exchange for what?
I'm much more concerned with the struggle right here in the USA (for those of you not in the USA, you may already have faced this struggle, or may be facing it now; if not, then you most assuredly will face it soon). The Internet gives the people real power for the first time. We have the ability to communicate with each other openly, or not to. We have the ability to conduct transactions, or not to. We can say what we wish, or remain silent. And most important, we have access to information which has formerly been out of our reach.
But our governments are trying to deny us this power. When we gain power, they lose power -- and they don't like that at all. They try to filter us, censor us, and legislate us. They try to categorize information -- to divide it into "bad" information and "worse" information. (The only "good" information is their propaganda.) They try to tell us what we can say, and hear. They try to tell us what we can learn. They try to keep us ignorant and fearful.
So, while this Cyber Yuga may be good for a few laughs, the real battle will be fought over a much bigger and more important battleground: we the people.
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CY has some strong MS leanings...Take a look at Article 8 of their "Constitution":
It is an honor, priviledge and right of every citizen familiar with HTML, Java, JavaScript, VBScript, COM objects, IIS filters and ASP applications, as well as music, video and photo digitalization process, to participate in building of Cyber Yugoslavia.
Thanks, but no thanks...-B
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Virtual nations?I happen to believe that nations are the product of a shared identity, whether through ethnicity (most nations) or a consensus of civic values (ethnically pluralist nations like the US and, increasingly, western Europe). One of the problems with the original Yugoslavia was its attempt to force together a number of disparate populations that didn't really have much of anything in common, except geography.
After reading over the CY constitution, I wonder whether a bunch of geeks (who always get along, as on
/., and who are never prone to religious fanaticism) can really build a nation with such a radical democratic structure.Then again, it's hard to take seriously any organization whose constitution contains the words "Secretary of Coca-Cola"...
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Re:Interesting...very interesting
look at the list of CY Citizens read the Ministry's some of the citizens are Secretary's of. ie Secretary for Telling Right from Wrong, Secretary for Sleeping, Secretary for Gambling and Sins...
love the humor of some of CY's citizens...
hate the Server they are running...
nmarshall
#include "standard_disclaimer.h"
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Didn't bother to read their page??
Um, yeah. It's a scam. Perhaps you should actually check out their site before spouting about scams. They're not asking for money. They're not implying that a CY passport will be useful in any way! I'm sure many become-a-citizen-reap-enormous-benefits scams do happen, but it would take one heck of an imagination stretch for this to be one of them. Their page is at http://www.juga.com.
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Re:Interesting...very interesting
First off, hi Chris.
:)
This is indeed interesting, but... odd. First of all, the constitution on www.juga.com is not only vague, it is basically subject to change at the whim of the webmaster. This does not seem like a great idea. Second, while they may allow double or triple citizenship, do other countries? For example, the U.S.?
If someone has Cyber Yugoslavia as their only citizenship, what about the logistics problems this poses? They have to live somewhere. Do they still pay taxes in whatever country they live in? More importantly, if they commit a crime, can Cyber Yugoslavia try to prevent them from going to trial? Could CY become a shield for criminals?
A bunch of disposessed Yugoslavians banding together to form a virtual country is a nice idea. But I don't see how they can hope to be recognized as a country in their own right.