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There is plenty of cherry picking of data by all sides of this argument, and far more money to be had for those who support the anthropological global warming hypothesis (especially for "reputable research groups")

Huh, I must have been working with the wrong scientists. You must mean the ones who are making 7-8 figures, and bringing in billions of dollars every day for their pro AGW research. Then they have the marked ability to make sure that there is almost no disagreement.

Man, I worked with scientists for the last 30 some years at a big research University. They are not even close to wealthy, and they all are looking for that breakthrough that will get them noticed. And yes, all the ones I know are convinced that CO2 in the atmosphere is heating us up. And if they need money for proving that Greenhouse gases don't actually warm up the earth, these guys http://www.kochind.com/Companies/ might just be able to provide them with all the money they need. Someone who comes up with a solid proof that CO2 doesn't warm up the planet is looking at Nobel status.

...why not link to their official position on global warming and what we should/shouldn't do about it?

My favorite bit is: "Others agree that warming is occurring, but they question whether it is anthropogenic -- that is, caused by human activity"

The implication here being that, if man didn't cause it, then man shouldn't bother trying to fix it. I can't wait until we discover an asteroid on track to collide with the earth, and the Koch brothers say "Meh... WE didn't cause that asteroid, so we're off the hook for diverting it."

Instead of making grandiose statements that the Koch brothers fund global warming skeptics "whenever possible", why not link to their official position on global warming and what we should/shouldn't do about it?

Why should the submitter include that statement? What useful information would it add? Why is this modded Informative?

The Kochs hate the idea of anthropogenic global warming. More accurately, they hate the idea that regulation to limit greenhouse gas emissions may cut into the profit margins of Koch Industries. They are doing everything they can to cast doubt on the research, including funding researchers like Muller whose research could call global warming into question. The public statement you linked to is entirely consistent with Koch's position.

Instead of making grandiose statements that the Koch brothers fund global warming skeptics "whenever possible", why not link to their official position on global warming and what we should/shouldn't do about it?

Have a look at this summary of their activity and tell me their position is anything but skeptical. Not that there is anything wrong with that, they are self-proclaimed libertarians and as such are expected to be of the opinion that government has no place influencing the environment (or much of anything else) so it is natural that they will do whatever it takes to prevent public opinion from boiling over on this issue.

I am wondering, at this point, if Richard Muller isn't simply a very talented troll who agreed to take the Koch's money after presenting himself as a deep skeptic of climate change, only to turn around and use it to point out that the data was right all along.

Instead of making grandiose statements that the Koch brothers fund global warming skeptics "whenever possible", why not link to their official position on global warming and what we should/shouldn't do about it?

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Lately in the news there has been some stuff about Coke Industries doing a lot of polluting somewhere around the US.

actually i'm pretty sure this company is spelled koch (its just pronounced like coke)-and they own kochind.com.


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