SCO distributed IBM's IP without a license to do so; the GPL was the license to distribute and they violated the terms of the GPL. This issue needs to be settled in court independently of Novell or anything else.
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I know one of your former Microsoft colleagues (who was far from the bottom of the MS food chain and is a very clever programmer); he is finishing his Math PhD. I think he would agree that most MS employees were/are good people who wanted to produce a good product BUT... I get the impression that there were LOTS of problems at MS, including really smart, stubborn people with really big egos.
I think VISTA is a wonderful product which will help speed the adoption of Linux throughout the world.
I think MS should increase the level of DRM in each succeeding product.
In a normal case, I would agree with you. In this case, however, I think Novell, IBM, Red Hat, etc. will go for blood and see if Microsoft or others have some responsibility.
If the British had repeated the air raid which destroyed Hamburg several more times (e.g. on Berlin, Leipzig, Munich, etc.), the war might have ended sooner.
(7) Albert Speer discussed the bombing of Hamburg when he was interrogated in July 1945.
We were of the opinion that a rapid repetition of this type of attack upon another six German towns would inevitably cripple the will to sustain armament manufacture and war production. It was I who first verbally reported to the Fuehrer at that time that a continuation of these attacks might bring about a rapid end to the war." link
It is likely that the a-bomb was to sole cause of the decision by Japan to surrender. Of course, the general situation in 1945 played a huge role but the Japanese military officials were prepared to use the entire Japanese population to defeat the Allies. Other factors considered by some to be important:
1. Russian attacks - a great deal of the news of the Russian success arrived in Tokyo after they agreed to surrender and the Japanese were prepared to fight the Russians. The Japanese military wanted a negotiated peace which left them in power.
2. Lack of fuel and supplies - The Japanese military was prepared to fight on. They had 10,000 planes (5000+ for kamikaze attacks on shipping, landing sites, etc. and 5000 for normal activity), multiple (thousands) fast boats for kamikaze attacks on shipping, at least a million men ready to defend the south coast of Japan, etc.
Eventually a naval blockade, bombing attacks on infrastructure, etc. over several years might have led to the defeat of Japan. Alternatively attacks which yielded huge numbers of American casualties (well over 2,000,000 if the entire country had to be taken) could have ended the war in a year or two. The Japanese considered it honorable to fight for their country. When the A-bomb removed their ability to fight against soldiers, they agreed to surrender because there was no point to fighting on and it was not honorable to die pointlessly with no ability to hurt the enemy.
Supreme Commander is a little too fun.:D
I only run Linux on my machines but I do play SC at night on someone else's computers. The peer-to-peer model (rather than a server-client model) sucks, however. Try a 40x40 map with 8 players and a 500 unit limit. Often 3-4 seconds of real time = 1 second of game time (with only 4 players on a 20x20 map with good computers in the same room).
As a Linux game (with a server-client model), SC would rule.
I guess Microsoft is doing all this solely for our sakes. WOW! They must be great people. And here I thought they were doing this to preserve and extend their monopoly. Boy, do I feel dumb. Bill is really the second coming... right?
Of course, the Turing Police ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_Police ) are on the job now but the British police and the British in general were the idiots in the 1950's. Hmmm...
Let's see. "emerge sync" doesn't take any time (since you don't stay and watch - crtl alt F7). Seriously, (almost) the only problem I've seen (once the system is set up and except for rebuilds) is updating config files without messing up something (e.g. sendmail, cups). It has been such a long time since I had a problem that I can't really remember details. (However I do recall that there were a few in the past that required a "gentoo expert" to fix.)
I know three good "IT people" at work. Our IT person knows Red Hat (and Windows) well. The IT person on the floor below knows Debian (and Windows, I suppose). The third knows Gentoo and Windows. All three can deal with any Linux distro but each is most familiar with a particular Linux distribution. Of course, they all think Windows sucks but it's part of the job.
So you're saying Gentoo is not your first choice?
I have been using LaTeX for 10+ years and running it exclusively on Linux (Red Hat and then Gentoo) for 7-8 years. Gentoo gives the advantage of being able to emerge almost any (F/OSS) package out there, although "dependency hell" can occur. Red Hat provides stability. Overall LaTeX works great on Linux. I also find xfig to be handy.
Hmmm... I'm a university professor and I work many hours beyond the usual 8-5 (without extra pay, of course). (Note: I wrote and then erased some detail about my activities because they don't matter here. Let's just say that I am a modestly well-respected researcher and instructor who get invited overseas on occasion to discuss research and receives excellent student evaluations.)
I am a fan of unions in some situations but not in others. In general, I don't like the idea of unions at universities. However, while my opinion has not changed, I think there is a trend in higher education which may make unions more popular on campus. I think university administrators may be getting worse. For example, most universities have some form of written procedures (e.g. "university policies" or "policies and procedures" or "university handbooks" (independent of "faculty handbooks" created by the faculty)). When an administrator makes an interpretation of a university policy which seems contrary to the actual written policy, to whom does one appeal? (I suppose this problem is worse in the business world. Any comments?) With a union, there should be a process by which such disputes are resolved. I know there are AAUP unionized universities and other types of unionized universities and I wonder how these issues are resolved.
I am curious about how higher education, the "business world", the "government world" (e.g. DOD, DHS (ha ha), DOI), the "small business world", etc. deal with the problem of having written procedures which are "ignored" using "creative interpretation" by administrators, VPs, managers, bosses, etc.
I went from my BA (Math) directly into a PhD program (Math); I started in 1972 and finished in 1980. Now I am a professor and life is good. My students like me (look on RateMyProfessor... Oops, no name:-) Sorry). My research is pretty good; I've been invited for research collaborations to Italy, Germany, Australia, etc. The future for very talented Math PhDs is bright. Getting a PhD in Math should be rather difficult.
I knew a number of people in graduate school in the 1970s. Only about half finished. People who took time off (e.g. to "work") were dead; they didn't finish. The best way to obtain a PhD is to decide at age 20 or 21 that this is your goal and do it. A masters degree is much much much easier than a PhD. A person can work and get a MA or MS but only very exceptional people can get a PhD this way. (Hint: Most people who think they are exceptional aren't.)
Employment? I know PhDs in engineering who earn a good living as legal consultants. Railroad accidents, aircraft accidents, etc. It helps if you look good to a jury. I know a PhD in math who formed his own consulting firm; he created software which helps small businesses schedule workers efficiently. Of course, a Math Professor at Stony Brook formed an investment company and now is close to being a billionaire.
And, what about the US? V-2 rockets. German adaptation of the Dutch schnorkel? US seizure of German submarines because Germany lost the war. There's a LOT of shit (technology) THIS country acquired merely through the advantage of having "won" the war. Moreover, the US is NOT innocent of industrial espionage.
It is rather funny that you fail to mention the work of American Robert H. Goddard, from whom the designers of the V-2 obtained important ideas. As a NASA web site states: Goddard's work largely anticipated in technical detail the later German V-2 missiles, including gyroscopic control, steering by means of vanes in the jet stream of the rocket motor, gimbalsteering, power-driven fuel pumps and other devices. His rocket flight in 1929 carried the first scientific payload, a barometer, and a camera. Goddard developed and demonstrated the basic idea of the "bazooka" two days before the Armistice in 1918 at the Aberdeen Proving Ground. His launching platform was a music rack. Dr. Clarence N. Hickman, a young Ph.D. from Clark University, worked with Goddard in 1918 provided continuity to the research that produced the World War II bazooka. In World War II, Goddard again offered his services and was assigned by the U.S. Navy to the development of practical jet assisted takeoff (JATO) and liquid propellant rocket motors capable of variable thrust. In both areas, he was successful. He died on August 10,1945, four days after the first atomic bomb was dropped on Japan. Goddard was the first scientist who not only realized the potentialities of missiles and space flight but also contributed directly in bringing them to practical realization. This rare talent in both creative science and practical engineering places Goddard well above the opposite numbers among the European rocket pioneers. The dedicated labors of this modest man went largely unrecognized in the United States until the dawn of what is now called the "space age." High honors and wide acclaim, belated but richly deserved, now come to the name of Robert H. Goddard. NASA
(I hate Microsoft but) this post made me think of Walmart. They are still embracing and extending, they are still moving into new markets to undercut and squeeze out rivals with the help of their OS, and they are still treating market regulators as contemptible wretches who can be outlasted, outspent, and buried under the collective output of an extremely high-priced legal team.
Suppose someone does offer evidence in support of a claim of innocence. Are you likely to believe it or to assume that the court reached the right decision? Are you like George W. Bush and find the idea of considering evidence of innocence to be an insult to the jury (in death penalty cases)?
I don't understand your comment " "The court may have made a mistake" is bullshit." Are you saying court decisions are always correct? Are you saying court decisions are always correct in certain kinds of cases (e.g. when women are the victims)? I don't understand the meaning of your comment. Please clarify.
I think that it cost John Kerry a lot of votes when it was discovered that he and his idle billionaire wife were paying taxes at a rate of 15%, thanks to clever lawyering, while calling for higher taxes on hard-working dentists and doctors and small businessmen who were already paying 30% or more marginal tax rates. It certainly confirmed my own poor opinion of him when I found that I paid more taxes than he did.
Wow!! You pay more taxes than John Kerry & his wife. You must be quite (= very (for UK readers)) rich. Now I wonder about the difference between a person's "tax rate" and the "marginal tax rate" he/she pays on his/her "last dollar." I might pay 10% (i.e. 10% of my total income) but pay at a marginal rate of 30% on the last bit of my income. Are you mixing "apples" and "oranges" here?
Finally, please tell your colleagues on the staff of congressman ****** that you earned your money posting on slashdot today.
Groklaw has comments about this like:
Second, the Unix/Linux list duplicates items, counting a vulnerability more than once in the list. For an example, note that it lists Eric Raymond Fetchmail POP3 Client Buffer Overflow (Updated). However, the same vulnerability is listed, under the same title, four times. That's because it was reported in the week of August 10-15, again in the week of August 17-23, in September 6-13, and the week of November 9-16. Worse, for any comparison purposes, the same vulnerability is also reported as Fetchmail POP3 Client Buffer Overflow, so in reality one vulnerability is listed 5 times, making the total of 2328 meaningless unless you carefully comb through it to weed out duplications.
Kind of makes a numerical count of reported security problems pointless. (BEGIN SARCASM) Of course, the Linux/Unix security holes are much more serious than are Windows security holes because automated worms. viruses, etc. attack Linux/Unix machines but not Windows computers.(END SARCASM)
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SCO distributed IBM's IP without a license to do so; the GPL was the license to distribute and they violated the terms of the GPL. This issue needs to be settled in court independently of Novell or anything else.
I know one of your former Microsoft colleagues (who was far from the bottom of the MS food chain and is a very clever programmer); he is finishing his Math PhD. I think he would agree that most MS employees were/are good people who wanted to produce a good product BUT ... I get the impression that there were LOTS of problems at MS, including really smart, stubborn people with really big egos.
I think VISTA is a wonderful product which will help speed the adoption of Linux throughout the world. I think MS should increase the level of DRM in each succeeding product.
In a normal case, I would agree with you. In this case, however, I think Novell, IBM, Red Hat, etc. will go for blood and see if Microsoft or others have some responsibility.
It's easier than any book I read. Try reading Herbert Federer's book "Geometric Measure Theory."
Does Robert H. Goddard deserve some credit here?
If the British had repeated the air raid which destroyed Hamburg several more times (e.g. on Berlin, Leipzig, Munich, etc.), the war might have ended sooner.
(7) Albert Speer discussed the bombing of Hamburg when he was interrogated in July 1945.
We were of the opinion that a rapid repetition of this type of attack upon another six German towns would inevitably cripple the will to sustain armament manufacture and war production. It was I who first verbally reported to the Fuehrer at that time that a continuation of these attacks might bring about a rapid end to the war."
link
It is likely that the a-bomb was to sole cause of the decision by Japan to surrender. Of course, the general situation in 1945 played a huge role but the Japanese military officials were prepared to use the entire Japanese population to defeat the Allies. Other factors considered by some to be important:
1. Russian attacks - a great deal of the news of the Russian success arrived in Tokyo after they agreed to surrender and the Japanese were prepared to fight the Russians. The Japanese military wanted a negotiated peace which left them in power.
2. Lack of fuel and supplies - The Japanese military was prepared to fight on. They had 10,000 planes (5000+ for kamikaze attacks on shipping, landing sites, etc. and 5000 for normal activity), multiple (thousands) fast boats for kamikaze attacks on shipping, at least a million men ready to defend the south coast of Japan, etc.
Eventually a naval blockade, bombing attacks on infrastructure, etc. over several years might have led to the defeat of Japan. Alternatively attacks which yielded huge numbers of American casualties (well over 2,000,000 if the entire country had to be taken) could have ended the war in a year or two. The Japanese considered it honorable to fight for their country. When the A-bomb removed their ability to fight against soldiers, they agreed to surrender because there was no point to fighting on and it was not honorable to die pointlessly with no ability to hurt the enemy.
Supreme Commander is a little too fun. :D
I only run Linux on my machines but I do play SC at night on someone else's computers. The peer-to-peer model (rather than a server-client model) sucks, however. Try a 40x40 map with 8 players and a 500 unit limit. Often 3-4 seconds of real time = 1 second of game time (with only 4 players on a 20x20 map with good computers in the same room).
As a Linux game (with a server-client model), SC would rule.
Yes, Mr. Cheney, it is all a big conspiracy.
I guess Microsoft is doing all this solely for our sakes. WOW! They must be great people. And here I thought they were doing this to preserve and extend their monopoly. Boy, do I feel dumb. Bill is really the second coming ... right?
Sorry. The Turing Police item was just included for humor.
A better example of British IT: http://www.turing.org.uk/turing/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing
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Of course, the Turing Police ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_Police ) are on the job now but the British police and the British in general were the idiots in the 1950's. Hmmm
Let's see. "emerge sync" doesn't take any time (since you don't stay and watch - crtl alt F7). Seriously, (almost) the only problem I've seen (once the system is set up and except for rebuilds) is updating config files without messing up something (e.g. sendmail, cups). It has been such a long time since I had a problem that I can't really remember details. (However I do recall that there were a few in the past that required a "gentoo expert" to fix.)
I know three good "IT people" at work. Our IT person knows Red Hat (and Windows) well. The IT person on the floor below knows Debian (and Windows, I suppose). The third knows Gentoo and Windows. All three can deal with any Linux distro but each is most familiar with a particular Linux distribution. Of course, they all think Windows sucks but it's part of the job.
So you're saying Gentoo is not your first choice? I have been using LaTeX for 10+ years and running it exclusively on Linux (Red Hat and then Gentoo) for 7-8 years. Gentoo gives the advantage of being able to emerge almost any (F/OSS) package out there, although "dependency hell" can occur. Red Hat provides stability. Overall LaTeX works great on Linux. I also find xfig to be handy.
Hmmm ... I'm a university professor and I work many hours beyond the usual 8-5 (without extra pay, of course). (Note: I wrote and then erased some detail about my activities because they don't matter here. Let's just say that I am a modestly well-respected researcher and instructor who get invited overseas on occasion to discuss research and receives excellent student evaluations.)
I am a fan of unions in some situations but not in others. In general, I don't like the idea of unions at universities. However, while my opinion has not changed, I think there is a trend in higher education which may make unions more popular on campus. I think university administrators may be getting worse. For example, most universities have some form of written procedures (e.g. "university policies" or "policies and procedures" or "university handbooks" (independent of "faculty handbooks" created by the faculty)). When an administrator makes an interpretation of a university policy which seems contrary to the actual written policy, to whom does one appeal? (I suppose this problem is worse in the business world. Any comments?) With a union, there should be a process by which such disputes are resolved. I know there are AAUP unionized universities and other types of unionized universities and I wonder how these issues are resolved.
I am curious about how higher education, the "business world", the "government world" (e.g. DOD, DHS (ha ha), DOI), the "small business world", etc. deal with the problem of having written procedures which are "ignored" using "creative interpretation" by administrators, VPs, managers, bosses, etc.
Well, I moved to Linux seven years ago. And you're one more useless MS troll to ignore.
Go to Wal-Mart at 1AM; the lines are reasonable. If you go on a Sunday afternoon or between 9AM and 6PM on a weekday, well ..... Good Luck.
I went from my BA (Math) directly into a PhD program (Math); I started in 1972 and finished in 1980. Now I am a professor and life is good. My students like me (look on RateMyProfessor ... Oops, no name :-) Sorry). My research is pretty good; I've been invited for research collaborations to Italy, Germany, Australia, etc. The future for very talented Math PhDs is bright. Getting a PhD in Math should be rather difficult.
I knew a number of people in graduate school in the 1970s. Only about half finished. People who took time off (e.g. to "work") were dead; they didn't finish. The best way to obtain a PhD is to decide at age 20 or 21 that this is your goal and do it. A masters degree is much much much easier than a PhD. A person can work and get a MA or MS but only very exceptional people can get a PhD this way. (Hint: Most people who think they are exceptional aren't.)
Employment? I know PhDs in engineering who earn a good living as legal consultants. Railroad accidents, aircraft accidents, etc. It helps if you look good to a jury. I know a PhD in math who formed his own consulting firm; he created software which helps small businesses schedule workers efficiently. Of course, a Math Professor at Stony Brook formed an investment company and now is close to being a billionaire.
Koch Industries
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And, what about the US? V-2 rockets. German adaptation of the Dutch schnorkel? US seizure of German submarines because Germany lost the war. There's a LOT of shit (technology) THIS country acquired merely through the advantage of having "won" the war. Moreover, the US is NOT innocent of industrial espionage.
It is rather funny that you fail to mention the work of American Robert H. Goddard, from whom the designers of the V-2 obtained important ideas. As a NASA web site states:
Goddard's work largely anticipated in technical detail the later German V-2 missiles, including gyroscopic control, steering by means of vanes in the jet stream of the rocket motor, gimbalsteering, power-driven fuel pumps and other devices. His rocket flight in 1929 carried the first scientific payload, a barometer, and a camera. Goddard developed and demonstrated the basic idea of the "bazooka" two days before the Armistice in 1918 at the Aberdeen Proving Ground. His launching platform was a music rack. Dr. Clarence N. Hickman, a young Ph.D. from Clark University, worked with Goddard in 1918 provided continuity to the research that produced the World War II bazooka. In World War II, Goddard again offered his services and was assigned by the U.S. Navy to the development of practical jet assisted takeoff (JATO) and liquid propellant rocket motors capable of variable thrust. In both areas, he was successful. He died on August 10,1945, four days after the first atomic bomb was dropped on Japan.
Goddard was the first scientist who not only realized the potentialities of missiles and space flight but also contributed directly in bringing them to practical realization. This rare talent in both creative science and practical engineering places Goddard well above the opposite numbers among the European rocket pioneers. The dedicated labors of this modest man went largely unrecognized in the United States until the dawn of what is now called the "space age." High honors and wide acclaim, belated but richly deserved, now come to the name of Robert H. Goddard.
NASA
(I hate Microsoft but) this post made me think of Walmart.
They are still embracing and extending, they are still moving into new markets to undercut and squeeze out rivals with the help of their OS, and they are still treating market regulators as contemptible wretches who can be outlasted, outspent, and buried under the collective output of an extremely high-priced legal team.
Suppose someone does offer evidence in support of a claim of innocence. Are you likely to believe it or to assume that the court reached the right decision? Are you like George W. Bush and find the idea of considering evidence of innocence to be an insult to the jury (in death penalty cases)?
I don't understand your comment " "The court may have made a mistake" is bullshit." Are you saying court decisions are always correct? Are you saying court decisions are always correct in certain kinds of cases (e.g. when women are the victims)? I don't understand the meaning of your comment. Please clarify.
"People pay for things that help them, and don't pay for things that harm them."
People pay for cigarettes; do cigarettes help people?
I think that it cost John Kerry a lot of votes when it was discovered that he and his idle billionaire wife were paying taxes at a rate of 15%, thanks to clever lawyering, while calling for higher taxes on hard-working dentists and doctors and small businessmen who were already paying 30% or more marginal tax rates. It certainly confirmed my own poor opinion of him when I found that I paid more taxes than he did.
Wow!! You pay more taxes than John Kerry & his wife. You must be quite (= very (for UK readers)) rich. Now I wonder about the difference between a person's "tax rate" and the "marginal tax rate" he/she pays on his/her "last dollar." I might pay 10% (i.e. 10% of my total income) but pay at a marginal rate of 30% on the last bit of my income. Are you mixing "apples" and "oranges" here?
Finally, please tell your colleagues on the staff of congressman ****** that you earned your money posting on slashdot today.
Groklaw has comments about this like:
Second, the Unix/Linux list duplicates items, counting a vulnerability more than once in the list. For an example, note that it lists Eric Raymond Fetchmail POP3 Client Buffer Overflow (Updated). However, the same vulnerability is listed, under the same title, four times. That's because it was reported in the week of August 10-15, again in the week of August 17-23, in September 6-13, and the week of November 9-16. Worse, for any comparison purposes, the same vulnerability is also reported as Fetchmail POP3 Client Buffer Overflow, so in reality one vulnerability is listed 5 times, making the total of 2328 meaningless unless you carefully comb through it to weed out duplications.
Kind of makes a numerical count of reported security problems pointless. (BEGIN SARCASM) Of course, the Linux/Unix security holes are much more serious than are Windows security holes because automated worms. viruses, etc. attack Linux/Unix machines but not Windows computers.(END SARCASM)