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Maybe you should read up a bit on Mac solutions before you comment- software like Apple Remote Desktop, FileWave, NetOctopus, NetBoot/NetRestore, Radmind, HP OpenView, Deep Freeze and resources like AFP548, Mac Managers, MacOSX Labs, MacEnterprise, and of course Apple itself (I'll leave finding Apple's website as an exercise for the reader ;) make running large Macintosh installations fairly easy. There are plenty of UNIX/CLI tools and scripts out there, and Apple offers professional certifications if you want paper to show a potential employer.

Well, long before he was the head of an MP3 or major Linux company, he ran a software and systems consulting business called "Mr. Mac". Troll the wayback machine for mrmac.com.

Also in that time frame (early 90s) he started, and stopped, and started again the mac-mgrs mailing list. I know this because I took over that list from C. Gary in 1995, who took it over from Michael a few months before that. The list is still going fine, and after TidBITs (whose server is two racks over from the mac-mgrs.org list server ironically), is probably one of the longest running Mac-oriented mailing lists on the 'Net.

If you are out there Michael, give me a holler sometime... almost 10 years since we last spoke. =)

--chuck

For those of you who don't recognize Chuck Goolsbee's name, he is well know to those of us who administer Macintosh systems. And has long been a leader of the Mac Managers mailing list. One of the best resources for professional Mac admins.

Lee Joramo

Depends on your interests? I have quite a few subscriptions to Apple mail lists and Mac-Mgrs but if you're not a Mac guy you're not likely to care very much.

May have to replace your(?) face with another.

Might I suggest Michael Robertson? [lindows.com]


Now that's ironic!

I knew (mind you, only via email) Michael Robertson well over 10 years ago (when he was "MR Mac Software")... And eventually I took over as "List Mom" for the mac-mgrs mailing list about 6 months after Michael stopped doing the job.

Small world.

They keep an archive, which is available for public searching. Go there, and search the "new" archives (post April 2000) for "Active Directory."

The list is an excellent resource for troubleshooting MacOS (Classic & X) management issues.

Mac-Mgrs also has probably the best s/n ratio on the Internet, as well as throwing a great geek party at MacWorld Expo twice a year. =)

They keep an archive, which is available for public searching. Go there, and search the "new" archives (post April 2000) for "Active Directory."

The list is an excellent resource for troubleshooting MacOS (Classic & X) management issues.

Mac-Mgrs also has probably the best s/n ratio on the Internet, as well as throwing a great geek party at MacWorld Expo twice a year. =)

Nice try, but I think you'll find your words wasted.

I could write an essay on the topic of culture choice and how it affects a community, but I'll boil it down to this: Linux devotees chose the "elite techie" culture whereas Apple zealots chose the "enthusiast" culture, and it shows.

Where there are Mac admin mailing lists frequented by hundreds of helpful Mac managers who will patiently (if not exactly happily) answer the same question over and over again, for Linux users there is IRC and Usenet--which is quite funny, considering how difficult it sometimes is to get your Linux box online.

Linux users tend towards elitism, whereas Mac users tend towards snobbery. They sound similar, but in reality are quite different. It's the difference between wealth and royalty: make enough money (or buy a Mac), and you're in the club. But unless you're born of royal blood (or have the hacker-nature), you just can't join the clique.

I'm afraid your words will fall on many deaf ears, as very few people are intellectually honest enough with themselves to admit that they might be wrong, and need to change.