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• Create a new graphical frontend and powerful results viewer
• Generate graphical maps from the Nmap XML output (you can take inspiration from projects like fe3d and Cheops/Cheops-NG).
• Create a web interface for scanning your networks and reporting the results.
• Become a performance Czar, whipping out your profilers and introducing your own algorithms to make Nmap run even faster while using fewer resources.
• Create a brand new interpretation of the venerable Netcat and Hping utilities.
• Add scripting/module support to Nmap so it can be used for vulnerability assessment or more intrusive application discovery.

I think those are some of the coolest projects, though the page lists others (and is always growing as I get new ideas). And don't forget, you can always propose any new idea you come up with -- don't feel limited to that list.

And while we hope you consider Nmap, remember that you can increase your odds by applying to multiple projects. I've seen some pretty cool ideas from the other organizations.

-Fyodor

I wasn't going to reply, but I feel compelled to.

First, I never objected to selling Open Source Software. You're simply misreading me in that regard.

Second, I never said that their enterprise distro wasn't open. It has been, and as far as I can tell, will continue to be.

My beef is that they took a product I most valued them for (a desktop, personal OS) and made a move that *reduced* their ownership of that product. They handed is back to the community, in effect, offering a substantial amount of support. It was not, as you say, simply a renaming of their current technology. You said yourself that they provided a ""fairly robust" support framework. It would be "totally robust" if they still treated it as *their* product, not the community's product that they have a big hand in creating.

This annoyed me. For some distros, I *want* company ownership. I want SuSe to sell a "professional" version that is officially supported for consumer level end-users. I wanted Red Hat to continue to sell their desktop version of the OS, providing support all the way. Companies that offer those products to *individual* end users are an asset to the community.

I viewed Red Hat's move as a step away from that ownership, which was accurate, in light of this latest news. They were backing off from that market, and continue to, as this news indicates. This is what annoyed me, and what I was referring to.

As to the other guy who says I'm bitching about free stuff, well, call me crazy, but I like having some commercial alternatives for end users, and some free alternatives. I don't know if you guys used Fedora .95 (or even Core 1) after using Red Hat 9, but it was not the same product. I simply didn't want to see THE commercial end user Linux desktop OS turn to pure-free. That's what Debian, Slackware, Gentoo, and a thousand others are for. I liked having SuSe, Red Hat and Xandros out there, sitting on a shelf for sale. Then when I try to tell my dad to try Linux and he asks "But is there support I can call if I need help?" I can say "Yes, there is!" I would have liked to do that with Red Hat, but it is simply not an option as it was but before the Fedora switch (sites like http://support.marko.net/ notwithstanding).

How about Cheops-ng? Or even the original Cheops?

It doesn't. AIM for Linux is like using AIM for Windows 95. It kinda sucks. GAIM is much better, IMHO. There are others out there, too. It'd be interesting to know if any of the OSS guys plan on rolling these video chat features into their clients, though.

Key features of the Network Audio System include:

• Device-independent audio over the network
• Lots of audio file and data formats
• Can store sounds in server for rapid replay
• Extensive mixing, separating, and manipulation of audio data
• Simultaneous use of audio devices by multiple applications
• Use by a growing number of ISVs
• Small size
• Free! No obnoxious licensing terms

• Festival - The Festival Speech Synthesis System.
• mpg123 - a command line MP3 player
• GAIM - a free AOL IM client
• OpenOffice (StarOffice) - the (now opensourced) StarOffice Suite has built-in NAS support for the Solaris and Linux Platforms.
• The Qt Library - from Trolltech supports NAS natively. You will need to pass the '-system-nas-sound' to './configure' before building.
• libSDL - SDL, the Simple DirectMedia Layer library, now has native NAS support thanks to Erik Inge Bols\x{00F8}
• XAnim - the X Animation viewer
• XBoing - a blockout type X game
• XPilot - a multiplayer client/server space warfare game
• Xemacs - the best cross-plaform, cross-language IDE
• Alsaplayer - A NAS Output plugin written by Erik Inge Bols\x{00F8} is now supplied with the Alsaplayer distribution.
• X MultiMedia System (XMMS). A NAS Output plugin written by Willem Monsuwe is available at ftp://ftp.stack.nl/pub/users/willem/
• Wine. A NAS plugin written by Nicolas Escuder is now available with the WINE distrubution.

Reminds me of a story told by a friend. One day a group of us, including markster were standing around shooting the breeze...markster mentioned that the local bike shop owner had asked him to install Linux on his (I think it was a 486) computer. He managed to get another member of the group that was present volunteered to do the job...

John apparently went over to the shop to load Linux, but nothing he did would work, he told us. Noticing that the case was slightly askew and wires were coming out of it, he took the cover off to discover a rats nest of wires soldered onto the mainboard. I suppose I should mention at this point that the shop owner liked to tinker, and apparently he'd been making some custom mods to his system that will never be documented anywhere...

John asked him what all the wires were for, and he replied that they helped the computer work the way he needed it to. He proudly showed off the row of dip switches that he'd gotten from old 9600 modems and repurposed for toggling between the printer and his extra hard drive. John, probably in stupified amazement, yanked the rats nest of wires out of the system, told him to format the drive, and that he'd get back to him on the Linux install.

I never got the epilogue, but that's one of the wierder stories I've heard told....

I assume the VOIP blaster comes with a license to run G.723.1 inside the device, but these patents would impede the development of free software that could use the data stream from VOIP blasters for purposes other than talking to other G.723.1 hardware devices.

It sure would be nice if the VOIP blaster had a mode where it could just transmit and receive raw audio samples (preferably by the standard USB audio class interface).

EveryBuddy and Gaim are two alternative messaging clients that have access to the MSN chat system. I use to use Everybuddy but I prefer Gaim's interface now. Both are fully "skinnable" (using GTK themes) link Trillian is. There are plenty of alternatives to Microsoft's offering. MS's software would appear to make extensive use of scripting like most of their other products do, which does more bad than good with worms/viruses such as this one on the rounds. Gaim support perl scripting, but it's easy to disable it, and it's default state is disabled. I understand that most internet chat users probably don't realise that their software has this scripting ability. Maybe something needs done to make them aware of it and what it can (potentially) do. Then we might see less stories about people falling victim to these attacks. (hey!, stop laughing and saying they deserve it! that's not fair...)

I don't know that there's any machanism to qualify the critical mass of an OSS project... I guess it would just be "how many people are using it?" and "if it went away, how would this affect the computing world?"

Add to that the fact that they're seemingly unwilling to have any talks about this, any negotiations about a new protocol, and your above referenced argument looks absurd.

What it boils down to is that it's in AOL's best interest to support alternative operating systems, at the very least, by allowing us Linux and BeOS users to connect. If you're on Windows or Mac, use that client. I'll stick to Gaim. And increase the AIM userbase, so AOL can tell their advertisers "We have 30 zillion users." - I'm a part of that if I can connect. If I can't, I'm not.

KDE comes with so many other good programs as well, like KNode (News reader) and KMail (lightweight email program)... Does GNOME have any comparable programs?

Errr... yes! Pan is probably the best free newsreader for any platform, Evolution is an incredibly well-integrated mail, calender and addressbook program, and Balsa is a very decent more lightweight mail reader. For office programs, Gnumeric is way more advanced than KSpread, Guppi (still in CVS) is one of the only serious free graphical data analysis tools, GnuCash is very polished, and Dia rocks. Graphically, Sodipodi is shaping up very nicely, gPhoto rules, and the GIMP integrates better with a GNOME environment than with KDE. And then there's XMMS (the best mp3/ogg/mpeg/divx Linux player), Grip (the best CD player/ripper combo) and GStreamer for multemedia; there's GnomeICU, Gabber, Gaim and X-Chat for messaging; there's Gnapster for file-sharing; and there's more useful utilities (e.g. Bug Buddy), system utilities (e.g. Red Carpet), and panel applets than you could shake a stick at. And I know I've missed out quite a few more (Gnome-DB, Oregano and Dr. Genius have just spring to mind - and, yes, Galeon, which rocks and is now my primary browser). In other words, GNOME is hardly short on applications.

If anything, I've often found it to be the other way round. While Konqueror rules, and KWord is much better featured than AbiWord (though I personally dislike the interface), I think where KDE usually excels is in the underlying desktop core, rather than the applications. But that's just my opinion.

PS Sorry for ranting.

Yahoo Messenger has both a Java and a pure Linux client.

Except both the Java and the native Linux client (which is closed source, buggy and hasn't been updated since August) are rubbish.

If you're using Yahoo! Messenger under Linux I would throughly recommend switching to GAIM.

I've only tried AIM and ICQ myself, but those work fine.

L2TP (Layer 2 tunneling protocol) typically used with IPSec the same way PPP (Point-to-Point Protocol) is used with PPTP (L2TP/IPSec is the default VPN config for Win2K). L2TP encapsulates IP, IPX or whatever, and is encapsulated inside IPSec. From the RFC Draft: "The Layer Two Tunneling Protocol (L2TP) ... permits the tunneling of the link layer (i.e., HDLC, async HDLC) of PPP." In essence it's a pared down PPP specifically for use in tunneling multiple protocols over IP.

You can actually masquerade IPSec connections under the right circumstances, although I'd recommend patching your Linux firewall with the FreeS/WAN stuff and doing it from there unless you absolutely HAVE to.

From John Hardin's website:
"The IPsec AH protocol (51/ip) incorporates a cryptographic checksum including the IP addresses in the IP header. Since masquerading changes those IP addresses and since the cryptographic checksum cannot be recalculated by the masquerading firewall, the masqueraded packets will fail the checksum test and will be discarded by the remote IPsec gateway. Therefore, IPsec implementations that use the AH protocol cannot be successfully masqueraded. Sorry. (ESP with authentication can be masqueraded.)"

Some links you might find helpful:
Linux L2TP Daemon (rather old)
The Draft RFC mentioned above (from the same site)
John Hardin's VPN Masquerading Website
FreeS/WAN home page (IPSec for Linux)

L2TP (Layer 2 tunneling protocol) typically used with IPSec the same way PPP (Point-to-Point Protocol) is used with PPTP (L2TP/IPSec is the default VPN config for Win2K). L2TP encapsulates IP, IPX or whatever, and is encapsulated inside IPSec. From the RFC Draft: "The Layer Two Tunneling Protocol (L2TP) ... permits the tunneling of the link layer (i.e., HDLC, async HDLC) of PPP." In essence it's a pared down PPP specifically for use in tunneling multiple protocols over IP.

You can actually masquerade IPSec connections under the right circumstances, although I'd recommend patching your Linux firewall with the FreeS/WAN stuff and doing it from there unless you absolutely HAVE to.

From John Hardin's website:
"The IPsec AH protocol (51/ip) incorporates a cryptographic checksum including the IP addresses in the IP header. Since masquerading changes those IP addresses and since the cryptographic checksum cannot be recalculated by the masquerading firewall, the masqueraded packets will fail the checksum test and will be discarded by the remote IPsec gateway. Therefore, IPsec implementations that use the AH protocol cannot be successfully masqueraded. Sorry. (ESP with authentication can be masqueraded.)"

Some links you might find helpful:
Linux L2TP Daemon (rather old)
The Draft RFC mentioned above (from the same site)
John Hardin's VPN Masquerading Website
FreeS/WAN home page (IPSec for Linux)

Or the GNU AIM client. It's at Marko.net and it's very, very good. I have a surplus of friends on A-hole and it's a good deal easier to contact them through the IM client than through the telephone.. or email.. or postally.. or any other way. And as far as the complaint that you 'get IM's at inopportune times': TURN OFF THE CLIENT!

It's chock full of wholesome goodness and meets 95% of your chat needs.

I really Gaim! It's chock full of wholesome goodness and meets 95% of your chat needs.

I think everyone should be left alone. AOL has brought people to the Internet. Face it. Most of you (myself included) would be out of a job, had AOL not brought millions of people to the Internet using their AOL Chat programs and ideas. Hell, take it another step forward, and watch me get marked down to flaimbait / offtopic / whatever, but had Microsoft not created a OS for stupid idiots, then AOL would not have created a system to allow them to communicate, which would bring hundreds of thousands of businesses to the Internet, looking for any extra money.

Some say porn built the current Internet, but I think AOL had a bigger hand: they provided an easy way for people to chat.

Use GAIM instead! It's Open Source and works great!

Thank you to the developers of Gaim. It's the nicest available AIM clone for Linux. A few months back there was a change in the AIM system that made Gaim not work, and that same day Gaim released a patch to fix it. I congratulate them for producing free software and keeping it low on bugs and still working with the ever changing AIM system.

That's all I had to say, time to download the new 0.10.0 version to see what's new.

GAIM homepage

GAIM source tarball

All other types (RPM, DEB, etc)

- Bill

GAIM homepage

GAIM source tarball

All other types (RPM, DEB, etc)

- Bill

GAIM homepage

GAIM source tarball

All other types (RPM, DEB, etc)

- Bill

However, for more open-source clients for ICQ and AIM, try Micq for console, and GAIM for AIM. Search freshmeat.net for more...

GAIM
GnomeICU
LICQ

Considering what AOL did to Mozilla, you're probably better off with an open-source clone.

--
Kiro

BTW - i'm still interested in getting a "call-screening" plugin going for GAIM, which would basically give an away message to anyone except for the people on your list of exceptions. Kind of like for when you wanna be on GAIM, but don't want to be mean to everyone and ignore them. Some will get an away message, while your best buds will get through and you can talk to them! Like it?

Mike Roberto
- GAIM: MicroBerto

Cheops is a network "swiss army knife". It's "network neighborhood" done right (or gone out of control, depending on your perspective). It seems that the development has slowed down a bit though.

Have a look at:

and

Cheops is a network "swiss army knife". It's "network neighborhood" done right (or gone out of control, depending on your perspective). It seems that the development has slowed down a bit though.

Have a look at:

and

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I can't decide if all this digital hoohah is making the world a better place or not. Certainly there is a considerable minority that stands to gain much from it -- I would include the Slashdot audience among that number. But there's a much larger majority that, if they feel any impact from it, it's only going to be indirectly -- at least for now.

Access to quick information keeps getting bandied about as the next big revolution, in the spirit of the space age, the industrial age, etc. I dunno, I guess. Certainly the current new wave of technological innovation [1] has had a massive impact on our economy. But are these changes good? Profits are up, salaries aren't. Job security is a relic. Stock holders are cashing in -- and more people are becomign stock holders -- but that leaves a couple of problems, like what about the rest of us that aren't in on the market. More importantly, what about the ones that are in the market -- if it crashes, as I'm sure it will sooner or later, where will these young workers with crap salaries and worthless stock options be? Our success is by no means assured.

But that's just the economic side of things. Things like water, electricity, and the telephone had benefits far beyond the economic. They enabled a whole new range of activities while making a large number of older ones simpler or even unnecessary (going to the well, etc). What does the info revolution offer to the average Joe? On one hand, he doesn't ever have to go to a library again if all the books are already out there. Why call your friends cross country when you can chat for free at your computer? Why, indeed, would you ever have to leave your home at all?

The digital age unquestionably brings great benefits, but it also brings great dangers. It's not unique in this (plumbing might have brought, say, cholera, and electricity of course brought electrocution) and I'm not yet sure how the good and bad sides balance out here. I think that won't be clear for several years to come. If we transform from a nation of couch potatos into a nation of desk potatos, that isn't necessarily an improvement. I am looking to see how things unfold over the coming years before forming an opinion on this matter...

[1] (Does anyone else hate using that word now? Is it just me?)

AOL representatives stated that they didn't want to open the source of AIM because it would most likely let in chain letters and spam, as ICQ suffers from. I have to say, from my experience with GAIM, I have recevied hardly any unwanted messages. I remember a coupla years ago, I had ICQ, and it was horrible.

Gaim by defauly uses toc, but when you are compiling it you can use the development OSCAR support. Theres a bit of recent work on it at the gam hompeage. www.marko.net/gaim. Currently the developers are recommending against using the oscar support right now.
treke

Check out Everybuddy

It currently uses the TOC protocol, which is the Used-to-be-open protocol that gaim and tik and every other aim clone uses. It doesn't have all the features that OSCAR has, like file transfer and all that. If the OSCAR protocol is opened up then all the clones will increase in quality across the board. If they are just "re-opening" TOC, then nothing will change really.

But if people are looking for something that uses multiple services in one client, check out Everybuddy.

Ben Rigas

I thought they stopped supporting their tik client before the whole MSN thing.

And since I haven't seen anyone else post it yet the gaim website is:

http://www.marko.net/gaim/

--

I'm no expert at all, but I think that there are differences regarding where files are located. For instance, most Linux distributions that ship with KDE install it in something like /opt/kde, but Red Hat 6 dumps it all into /usr/bin , if I recall correctly.

I'm using Red Hat 6.1 right now, and about a month ago I decided that I wanted a newer version of WindowMaker than the one that came with Red Hat 6.1. So, I went to their website and downloaded the tarball. The problem is that, in order for it to compile and run correctly on Red Hat, you have to make a lot of adjustments to this and that (I don't remember what right now). It was really annoying, so I just gave up and switched back to Sawmill and GNOME.

The newest version of GAIM suffers from a similar problem. It compiled fine, but "make install" put the files in strange places, presumably because GAIM is developed on something other than Red Hat.

Another important difference between distros is that they each come with different configuration tools. Red Hat comes with Xconfigurator for setting up XFree86, but SuSE uses something called "sax", I believe.

Crap...I've got to stop writing. Mozilla is doing strange things to this text box.

I'm sorry I don't know more, and I'm sure that there are plenty of mistakes in what I've said above. If anyone out there can correct me, please do so.

Take care,

Steve




========
Stephen C. VanDahm

I thought that the problem wasn't about the software, but it was about the network "problems".. I love GAIM! www.marko.net/gaim/
GAIM has some new versions lately, Mark has picked it up and is updating many things, its becoming impressive. Proprietary IRC clients, OTOH.... that's another story.

Mike Roberto (roberto@soul.apk.net) - AOL IM: MicroBerto

As for other services, I just use ICQ. I generally use Licq (homepage), but there exist a number of other clients. I've found that I like Licq the best. Linuxberg (homepage) has a lot of chat programs as I recall.

Hope this helps.

Mark is currently using a rather cute logo for the gaim client. It used to feature the AIM logo with the AIM man hugging a penguin. Now, the AIM symbol and man are cut out with a punch-out shadow on white where they used to be and a message stating that AOL was rather unhappy about the use of the logo.

I can understand why AOL objected...it's obciously a trademark issue as far as they're concerned, but Mark's client wa actually a good thing...it's not like he was defaming them, and he certainly wasn't in the business of making profits off their logo.

I have to agree that a new logo is needed. If my graphics skills were up to it, I'd volunteer (having gotten enough linux support from him that I can't possibly repay him ;) ). While you're at it, the gaim team is also looking for a reasonable demon image for the client to satisfy the *bsd users.

Good luck, and good drawing!!


Who am I?
Why am here?
Where is the chocolate?

There is a good GtK-based AIM clone called GAIM that functions much like TiK, but looks better and doesn't look as kludgy IMHO. I've been using it for a month now and have been more than happy with it. You can find it at http://www.marko.net/gaim/

Of course, I tried to post this to /. a few times and it didn't make it. Oh well. Maybe people will find it appropriate to this thread.

There have been some excelent points made here, and I agree that the whols thing is quite biased, but we can only learn from it, no matter what the end result is.

Here is an evalutaion of Linux 2.0, Linux 2.2 and NT4 TCP stacks. http://www.marko.net/neteval.

Evaluation was done with Netperf network performance tool. A small perl script was used to generate a series of test message sizes, beginning at 10 bytes, and with each additional packet being 10% larger than the previous until a maximum of 65000 bytes was reached. Each test was executed for 20 seconds, with a minimum of one second pause between the tests, in case there was still data in any outgoing or incoming data caches. The resulting files were plotted with gnuplot.

The tests were done by Mark Spencer, and questions regarding it should be directed to him, markster@marko.net

There have been some excelent points made here, and I agree that the whols thing is quite biased, but we can only learn from it, no matter what the end result is.

Here is an evalutaion of Linux 2.0, Linux 2.2 and NT4 TCP stacks. http://www.marko.net/neteval.

Evaluation was done with Netperf network performance tool. A small perl script was used to generate a series of test message sizes, beginning at 10 bytes, and with each additional packet being 10% larger than the previous until a maximum of 65000 bytes was reached. Each test was executed for 20 seconds, with a minimum of one second pause between the tests, in case there was still data in any outgoing or incoming data caches. The resulting files were plotted with gnuplot.

The tests were done by Mark Spencer, and questions regarding it should be directed to him, markster@marko.net

If you've got a product you want people to use, and you're not helpful to all the people who may want to give it a chance, then you're going to lose them. It's that simple.

This is linux's situation now. It doesn't matter whether the gurus get paid for answering questions on comp.os.linux.whatever. Though I understand that it might matter to the gurus. Still that doesn't change the basic situation. The newsgroups are probably the first call newbies make for help(=customer service). And as word continues to spread about linux, the newsgroups will see an ever increasing number of newbies asking an ever diminishing number of interesting questions.

This may break the newsgroups. As I understand it, they were originally a forum for committed hobbyists and pros to share info and probably work best that way. Still, the principal doesn't change. Treat a new customer badly and you won't have one.

There's a chance here to build a new online models for providing customer service and some people are trying different things out. Take a look at Linux Support Services.

Hope this helps.

Seth

...with off the shelf hardware...all I need is X11Amp and my computer...heck, I don't even have to be in the same room...I've seen people like markster piping music from their home machines to the public computer labs :)

That gives you the distance for signal transmission, a signal (ok, it may be an mp3 but the program is still piping the audio signal), random access (courtesy of the good folks who make X11Amp), and audio :)

And this is the sort of practice that people do all the time...I think their patent violates the "it must not be obvious" criterion...when people have been doing different forms of activities covered by this description for years now (piping signals between UNIX boxes isn't new), then they can't claim that it's a new development...

I say we take this to a new high. Let's all find their phone number and intorduce them to a new kind of electronic signal over wires: a whistle in the ear over a collect call.

Need I repeat what most everyone else has said? This is ridiculously stupid


# find /dev/brain
find: cannot open /dev/brain: No such file or directory

Theres a package called "Pulp Vision" which you can find at my ftp site (forget where the original is) at my FTP site which was designed for Linux and does send/receive video and sound. It isn't compatible with other H323 stacks though because the actual H.323 protocol isn't implmemented fully (although it does use the proper compression schemes, so most of the work is already there.