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...to paraphrase Hobbes.

It seems to have become commonplace to redefine words or to simply make words up in order to promulgate ones own view of the world. Then these new words (for a word with a different definition is a new word) tend to change everyone else's view of the world. This has been going on for quite some time, but now people seem to be explicitly using it.

Before long, all English words will have many various meanings that will no longer be understandable through context.

Well, my little Virtual Community is doing its best to host more and better discussions of the Cluetrain Manifesto.

Check it out if you like. We try to explore the Memetics shrapnel of these ideas. Their complexities and outlying influence.

I personally am surprised there is not an alt.cluetrain newsgroup on usenet.

Well, my little Virtual Community is doing its best to host more and better discussions of the Cluetrain Manifesto.

Check it out if you like. We try to explore the Memetics shrapnel of these ideas. Their complexities and outlying influence.

I personally am surprised there is not an alt.cluetrain newsgroup on usenet.

I am reading the book and have the same kind of knee jerk reaction to its text as I do when reading most utopian texts. Not because I don't love the ideas -- I do, in fact I adore the wit, candor, and brilliance (the duh factor) of the words and ideas that can in fact help out American e-conomy -- but I would hate these ideas to firestorm through like flashpaper, the result being YAMMBI (Yet Another Middle-Management Bright Idea). I wanted to know if this dogmatic opinionated treatise that will excite atoms and then stall... a few steps too early for true e-volution.

I really cannot find enough forum to really discuss the true nature of The Cluetrain Manifesto outside the limited confines of the Middle-Management Memespace (that little area wherein all the buzz finds it namespace -- the library of code, mostly written by the Harvard Business School Press) areas on this or that BBS.

There is a really cool Mailing List but I started an Online Discussion for The Cluetrain Manifesto on the MemeSpace virtual communtiy called The Cluetrain Conference.

I am reading the book and have the same kind of knee jerk reaction to its text as I do when reading most utopian texts. Not because I don't love the ideas -- I do, in fact I adore the wit, candor, and brilliance (the duh factor) of the words and ideas that can in fact help out American e-conomy -- but I would hate these ideas to firestorm through like flashpaper, the result being YAMMBI (Yet Another Middle-Management Bright Idea). I wanted to know if this dogmatic opinionated treatise that will excite atoms and then stall... a few steps too early for true e-volution.

I really cannot find enough forum to really discuss the true nature of The Cluetrain Manifesto outside the limited confines of the Middle-Management Memespace (that little area wherein all the buzz finds it namespace -- the library of code, mostly written by the Harvard Business School Press) areas on this or that BBS.

There is a really cool Mailing List but I started an Online Discussion for The Cluetrain Manifesto on the MemeSpace virtual communtiy called The Cluetrain Conference.

I am reading the book and have the same kind of knee jerk reaction to its text as I do when reading most utopian texts. Not because I don't love the ideas -- I do, in fact I adore the wit, candor, and brilliance (the duh factor) of the words and ideas that can in fact help out American e-conomy -- but I would hate these ideas to firestorm through like flashpaper, the result being YAMMBI (Yet Another Middle-Management Bright Idea). I wanted to know if this dogmatic opinionated treatise that will excite atoms and then stall... a few steps too early for true e-volution.

I really cannot find enough forum to really discuss the true nature of The Cluetrain Manifesto outside the limited confines of the Middle-Management Memespace (that little area wherein all the buzz finds it namespace -- the library of code, mostly written by the Harvard Business School Press) areas on this or that BBS.

There is a really cool Mailing List but I started an Online Discussion for The Cluetrain Manifesto on the MemeSpace virtual communtiy called The Cluetrain Conference.

There is a decent mirror at http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/. From there I've fetched the complete list of mirrors, which follows.

List of Jargon Resources Mirror Sites USA:

• http://www.akrotech.com/~darkstar/jargon
• http://memes.org/jargon
• http://www.journalism.wisc.edu/jargon/
• http://www.mindspring.com/~li mbert/hacking/jargon.htm
• http://www.iscvt.org/jargon/jargon.html
• http://www.babcom.com/jargon/index.html
• http://www.hackboy.com/jargon
• http://www.pulhas.org/
• http://www2.netdoor.com/~lhand
• http://avatar.deva.net/
• http://www.blee.net/jargon
• http://www.fortuneci ty.com/skyscraper/jolt/15/jargonindex.html
• http://www.jargon.8hz.com/
• http://culture.0wnz-u.org/
• http://www.houseofhack.com/jargon
• http://jollyrogers.com/jargon/
• http://handel.math.psu.edu/jargon

• http://celestrion.totalaccess.net/do cs/jargon/
• http://www.pir.net/pir/jargon/
• http://www.technozen.com/tetsuo/jargon/
• http://ude.org/jargon
• http://web.chad.org/usr/doc/jargon-file/

• http://karnak.nmc.siu.edu/jargon/

Australia:

• http://ecco.bsee.swin.edu.au/text/jargon/

• http://ecco.bsee.swin.edu.au/text/jargon

Austria: http://www.snafu.priv.at/jargon/

Czechoslovakia: ttp://www.instinct.org/texts/jargon-file/

Finland: http://zone.pspt.fi/jargon/

Germany:

• http://www.ude.org/jargon
• http://www.ghks.de/computer/jargon/
• http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~rene/jargo n/
• http://hex.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/jargon/
• http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de /~bergt/jargon

Gret Britain: http://jargon.strugglers.net

Greece: http://www.hack.gr/jargon

Italy: http://beatles.cselt.stet.it/mirrors/jargon

Japan: http://www.vacia.is.tohoku.ac.jp/jargon/

Norway: http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/misc/jargon/ Poland: http://www.uci.agh.edu.pl/jargon/

Spain: http://www.undersec.com/jargon

Sweden: http://ftp.sunet.se/jargon/

U.K.:

• http://www.new.ox.ac.uk/admin/jargon/
• http://g.pet.cam.ac.uk/g/jargon/

I am the host of MemeSpace, and online community of Memeticist and other people who realize the ubiquitous presence of Memes as contagion

When I first began the discussion, I was not even really sure that memetics was the right thing to call this popularly-held concept of what we are talking about here: censorship and the filtering of ideas, knowledge, and programming.

Now I am not so sure.

We have not discussed censorship very much (if you would like to start a thread, be my guest) but we have discussed the power of the word and the responsibility to it we must have (or not have), and we have realized that the power of the meme comes with both was is transmitted and what is not.

The power is both in the transmission as well as the restriction of the idea. The barring, filtering, or censuring of the idea is as powerful as is the sharing.

We have steadily realised that it is possible to kill a meme but it is not easy -- and in just the same way that a man's singleminded desire to become immortal through his memory can backfire and result in a self-destruct, the attempt to kill a meme -- idea, image, or the PoMo text -- can result in a more virulent idea altogether!