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Jargon File 4.2.0 Out
Baloo Ursidae writes, "The newest version of The Jargon File, 4.2.0, is up now over here at jargon.org. For the first time, AFK made the list. " Definitely a good place for newbies, and veterans seeking a few good laughs.
Damn shame ESR does that one, now I can't read it.
Is there an entry for the type of troll we saw last night?
Finally, now I have a place to forward people to who get my "AFK" message and don't know what it means... now I can just point them to the Jargon file!
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Who cares...the "Jargon File" is was kind of amusing a long time ago, but it's really not a big deal, and it really reminds me of those manuals people used to use to learn how to talk on the CB. "Breaker-breaker one-nine, this is Sailfish calling Horndog, you got your ears on?" A bunch of folks who don't know anything jumping on a bandwagon late, and getting the style but not the substance.
This is really great, but I kinda wish it was version 5.0, and not 4.2. Since they only publish actual books corresponding with the major revisions (4.0, 5.0, etc), I'll have to wait a while longer until I see "The Jargon" on the shelves. I know I could order it, but I buy most books on impulse, it seems like...
-- Intelligence reports are useful only to the intelligent. -RAH
Why don't they mirror this stuff first??
geez, u got a -1 score.... Is this the power u speak of?
I love the Jargon File. I really do. I remember reading it straight through when a meg of data was still something to write home about. I contributed myself, adding some phrases from the Amiga community and some 8-bit enthusiast slang. I even helped correct their heinous error that "elite" was alleged to stem from Hayes Courier Elite modem (which came much much later). One thing I don't like about The Jargon File is its insistance (and I realize it's one a fair amount of you will agree with) that there should be a distinction between "cracker" and "hacker", and that nary the 'tween shall meet. I think that the internet geek community needs to get used to the concept of context-sensitivity, and rather than calling the Diane Reim show on NPR to correct use of "hacker" like I heard today, I think we might do better to teach the difference between what we consider "good" hacking and "bad" hacking. Good hacking is key to the creation mythos of Linux itself, so I'd think many of you would have an investment in educating the media rather than imposing on them a game of semantics. --- Ask a member of the PKK if he considers himself a "terrorist".
*Sigh...*
Seriously though... Nah... this is the jargon file we're talking about -- IMHO this is more about fun than being serious. 'Cause anybody that tries to speak too much geek in my office finds themselves with a one way ticket out-ta-there.
...Open Source isn't the only answer -- but it's almost always a better value than the alternatives...
Damn! I can't look up the entry for "Slashdot Effect"... the site's down. *g*
I know it's kinda sad really, but i've been waiting for the new version of the jargon file for quite a while now. This book helped me get from the larva stage to...well wherever the hell i am now, it sure helped things make more sense. I actually own the book, and it always teaches, and always always always makes me laugh, a great read, and the appendices are a hoot! GO READ IT NOW! It's like an illumination, after reading it, it all makes sense.
PS: Also, this is the book where i first heard about GEB:EGB and Illuminatus! Two of the best (IMHO) books ever written, if you haven't read them, READ THEM NOW!
*out*
4.2.0 man! Time to smoke!
Hwere those things?! I suppose I could worsh my clothes at the laundromat while I'm waiting...
Looks like they do have a mirror.. but it's not listed on the download page. It got fully /.'d now, and I can't get to the mirror list! :(
Anyone grab the list before it pooped out on us?
smoke a bowl
All of those sites must have been Slashdotted..
So I went looking for mirrors. None of these are official. They are just what a search on Google turned up:
I found quite a few more, but all of them on older versions. I certainly don't want to kill either of these two sites, so please folks, if you are mirroring The Jargon File, update your mirrors and post the links.
The net will not be what we demand, but what we make it. Build it well.
www.tuxedo.org (ESR's homepage) also has the Jargon file 4.2.0 up ansd hasn't been Slashdotted.
circular reasoning: see reasoning, circular
CmdrTaco : Every winter, he emerges and looks in his inbox, and if he sees harassing "give us the slash code" messages, he returns to his hole and does not release the slash code for another 6 weeks
Hemos : A hamster
JonKatz : Producer of social commentary and rant. See Signal/Noise ratio.
Karma : black magic performed by the slash code that follows the rule what goes up must come down.
Troll : A vile creature that lives in the depths of -1 moderation
Natalie Portman : Favorite topic of trolls.
Returned Peace Corps IT Volunteer
List of Jargon Resources Mirror Sites USA:
Australia:
- http://ecco.bsee.swin.edu.au/text/jargon/
- http://ecco.bsee.swin.edu.au/text/jargon
Austria: http://www.snafu.priv.at/jargon/Czechoslovakia: ttp://www.instinct.org/texts/jargon-file/
Finland: http://zone.pspt.fi/jargon/
Germany:
Gret Britain: http://jargon.strugglers.net
Greece: http://www.hack.gr/jargon
Italy: http://beatles.cselt.stet.it/mirrors/jargon
Japan: http://www.vacia.is.tohoku.ac.jp/jargon/
Norway: http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/misc/jargon/ Poland: http://www.uci.agh.edu.pl/jargon/
Spain: http://www.undersec.com/jargon
Sweden: http://ftp.sunet.se/jargon/
U.K.:
Pablo Nevares, "the freshmaker".
Pablo Nevares, "the freshmaker".
If you don't get it, ignore it If you do, you know what to do.
Why don't you fix your little problem... and light this candle? -- Alan Shepherd, the first man into space, Gemini program
A couple errors here:
1. Alan Shepherd was NOT the first man into space, Yuri Gagarin was. Alan was the first citizen of the US sent into space.
He did say that, but he said it in the Mercury program. Gemini was a bit later.
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Linux is Linux. GNU just HURDs itself claiming otherwise.
...just under the entry "talk mode". This was in version 4.0.0, anyways, and I remember it in the first print edition as well.
So, how long before "slashdotted" and "first post" joins the list? ;-)
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Mr. Low Resolution
What we need is the facility to view comments below a certain score - cut all that boring smartarse stuff out.
Wingnut
Get it done.
And which entry in the Jargon File describes the above I wonder?
Wingnut
is jargon.org connected to the rest of the world via damp string, or what?
:)
:-|
Congratulations slashdot, you've just slashdotted it
I'll come back tomorrow.
The confusion stems from ESR's guide. He insists that the proper word for cybercriminal is "cracker", not "hacker". This is true in the geek community, but it is not true in either the general community or the security community. In the security community, the word "crack" has specific connontations about breaking passwords and/or copyright restrictions.
Journalists who use the word "hacker" to refer to the recent DDoS attacks gets flames from nerds insisting that they use "cracker". When they use "cracker", they get flames from security people who tell them what an idiot they are for using the wrong word since no passwords were cracked in these attacks. Most journalists I know try "cracker" a few times before they get sick of the complaints from the security other side. They also realize that their audience (the general population) just doesn't understand the word cracker as well as hacker.
I only post this because I'm tired of religious wars on the "meaning" of words. Words don't have any particular meaning; there is only what people understand when they hear a word. By creating a dictionary that defines a word contrary to how most people use it, ESR is perpetuating a religious war.
One might want to consider this alternate definition of "hacker".
The Jargon File has space set aside for the proper definition of the GPL (under Copyleft), but he also provides a space for the dissenting opinion, (under General Public Virus), but this entry it totally objective, even though you imply otherwise.
Here is the latter entry in full (emphasis mine):
These are true statements! It is indeed alleged that the copyleft `infects' software generated with GNU tools. However, ESR knows this to be false! He licenses his own software under the GPL!
As for your second quote, it is factually sound as well. Indeed, the term "GNU/Linux" has not gained widespread acceptance. This is merely a statement of fact. I wish GNU/Linux was used more. But it isn't. But that's reason to work to increase awareness, NOT a reason to ignore the facts in the interest of keeping the peace. You forget that "the peace" is already kept. They might not always agree, but both ESR and RMS have shown that they respect each other. I think it was Wavy Gravy who said at Woodstock, "We're all feeding each other."
Has this been ported to everything yet? Sounds like the natural thing to do ;)
-Largos
I know, RTFJF, but it's /.ed so I can't check today...
I can see the fnords!
Newbie Question: Is there any way to have the contents of the Jargon file presented one by one, as fortune cookies (a la KFortune)? If so, how? If not, why not?
Stupidity is mis-underestimated.
"Hacked" software is also a term used to describe software that has had its copy protection removed.
However, "Cracked" software is the correct term, since the (intended) security truly was compromised, which is what "cracking" is all about.
And as someone stated earlier, there is "good" hacking, and there is "bad" hacking. My addition to that is that cracking is very often a subset of hacking (since hacking is usually necessary to crack), so let's let the journalists using the word "hackers" if they please. Just like the gays (who have come a long way PR-wise) have not invented new terms to describe "bad" gays, but have used one word for all that originally had a bad connotation: gay. They took that word and made it generally accepted. It was a lot of hard work, though, and plenty of examples of the "good" gays were necessary. We can do the same.
Let's not play the game that allows us to be divided and conquered. The line between "good" hackers and "bad" is not always clear, and I feel should not be easily defined. Otherwise it will be easy for things like the DMCA to allow a large portion of our community to be disowned as "crackers" and thieves. But they are part of us and should remain so, forever, in spite of laws, popular morality, etc.
Pimp Daddy
How could they leave out such an important term?
Eric, can we please have the JF as a context diff ?
:)
Of course, it's not because we want to save bandwidth, it's only to make it more easily readable for those who read earlier versions
The entry talks about how rows of blinking lights/LEDs are a thing of the past because things happen too fast now for the lights to convey any meaning. I would counter that the lights have simply moved: to the modems and the racks of ethernet switches, hubs, and routers. There are still plenty of blinkenlights in the server rooms around the globe.
d00d, j00 r 31337!!!!! 1 m34n 17!!!!!!
|\|474L13 P0R7M4|\| 4 3V3R!!!!
d00d!
No, I'm not calling you a karma whore, I'm suggesting that it should be in the Jargon File. :-)
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
esr's directory is the prime; jargon.org is a new development.
If you just want to see the differences, it's probably easier than a context diff.
according to the jargon files i suffer from prolonged BASIC exposure! Curse that blasted high school and their required courses!
please! somebody, anybody. recommend treatment to reverse the effects. I don't want to live like this!
Who really needs the Jargon File all that bad when you've got Everything2 !?!?!
I'm sure CowboyNeal will agree,
Paul "Pavel" Ivanov
Everyone knows that naked and petrified starlets have been ready for years, it was just the emergence of Natalie Portman that solidified their presence in the slashdot trolldom.
Therefore, all references of Natalie in the Jargon File should be listed as Natalie GNU/Portman, to give credit to the early work of the GNU Project.
After all, it's already done with the acronym GRITS (GNU/GRITS Really Irritate The Skin)
I'd never seen the subtitle of "Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid" abbreviated before. If you've read the book, its significance is obvious; if not, I'll sound silly trying to explain it.
This is kinda like when I actually visited the Empire State Building -- I finally realized it was a building in the Empire State!
I'll go back to sleep now...
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..!!in an intastella burst i am back to save the universe!!
Dear Mr Marbles...
Despite what a lot of people say, some people still maintain that the only way to truly code is to become a Doctor of Technology. Because sure, "hacking around" might allow you to understand how the technology works, but a Doctor must also understand the why - Complexity analysis, the calculus of variables, stuff like that.
Of course, this isn't my theory, I'm just relating what seems to be a common feeling amoung the academic community.
They state: Who would you trust to write your app? John Q. Hacker, James P. Programmer, or Dr. James P. Private ?
Just some thoughts.
C.Villopillil.
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I've an idea for stopping people using this silly "write letters as numbers" business. /. automagically converted d00d to dude and 31337 to "elite" etc. /. operators would just need to add a new entry every time a new one is used.
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Probably not as good an idea as I think it is but it's 9am here and I should have started work ages ago.
specifically, dates on the entries to better distingush '70s slang from new 90's slang.
Ah, the jargon file. Back in '88, when I was a fresher, late one night I printed the entire thing out on the big old (but fast) lineprinter on that concertina-foldy paper.
My Karma: ran over your Dogma
StrawberryFrog
I realize the amount of distaste you hold for the "warez" / "phreak" subculture, but the fact remains that a large percentage of the modern hacker culture went through it (as a "larval stage").
Please consider defining the terms impartially (or taking submissions of definitions), and perhaps summarize the distasteful views / etc in a supporting paragraph elsewhere in the file.
Journalists are often described as "hacks", the word has a lot to do with the "hack"ing noise that a typewriter makes. It's a onomataphoea (sp?) This description dates almost all the way back to the invention of the typewriter. A "hacker" in those days was someone who stayed up all night typing out a report.
I'm SURE that the current use of the word has a lot to do with the hours of "hacking away" at the keyboard, and its origin never had anything to do with competence, or programming until the MIT days (although someone who spends many hours doing something is bound to become an expert).
Far be it from me to impugn the accuracy of Slashdot articles, but AFAIK "AFK" has been in there for at least three years...
Maybe I'm a Jargon archeologist, since I can't find this on Web searches and deja.com only has my own reference to it I made awhile back, but I distinctly remember the term ATWAV being used a lot Usenet in the 86-89 timeframe. You'd particularly see this on comp.lang.c. I know what it means, but maybe I dreamed the whole thing as you'd think that it would show up on a web page somewhere.
I'm really surprised that it doesn't seem to be on the Web now... Does anybody else remember ATWAV and what it refers to?
-Jordan Henderson
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