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> But Opera can identify itself as other browsers.

More importantly, Opera by default identifies itself as another browser.

One of the first things I did when I configured it was to set it to identify itself as Opera rather than MSIE. I can't say I've ever felt the need to revert.

I guess I must have somewhat atypical browsing habits, since I can't say I've seen many problems with layout or JS - the worst I can think of from the past month or so was perhaps an offset CSS/Edge style background image on some site, and that's still rendered better than MSIE.

Certainly as a web developer I find I hit problems with MSIE more often than I do with Opera. I guess that's because I'm not a DHTML weenie :)

> But Opera can identify itself as other browsers.

More importantly, Opera by default identifies itself as another browser.

One of the first things I did when I configured it was to set it to identify itself as Opera rather than MSIE. I can't say I've ever felt the need to revert.

I guess I must have somewhat atypical browsing habits, since I can't say I've seen many problems with layout or JS - the worst I can think of from the past month or so was perhaps an offset CSS/Edge style background image on some site, and that's still rendered better than MSIE.

Certainly as a web developer I find I hit problems with MSIE more often than I do with Opera. I guess that's because I'm not a DHTML weenie :)

I don't know where you might get data to show this one way or the other
Try here and take a look here. Notice the mouse hover over the side elements doesn't work correctly in Konqueror. Also, how do I select alternate stylesheets in Konqueror?

It works on many sites that Mozilla doesn't even try to run
Such as?

"Just" a web browser/file manager? It rips CDs, it interfaces with digital cameras, it browses Windows networks, it browses the web, it manages files, it does FTP, it burns CDs, it manages MP3s on your Nomad Jukebox, it browses your RPM database, it is totally integrated with KDE and previews tons of file types. "Just" a browser/file manager indeed! I think KMail is a great mail client, and I prefer the concept of Quanta+ to a WYSIWYG html editor.
Fair enough, but at that point you're getting somewhat less impressive, since you're saying "KDE does more than Mozilla" rather than "Konqueror as a web browser spanks Mozilla", which still hasn't been proven.

For the life of me I can't understand what the big fuss is about tabs, but they'll be in KDE 3.1.
I will not use a browser without tabs as long as I don't have to. And as for "It'll be in 3.1", 3.0 isn't even out yet.

Edge.

That sorts the men from the boys - CSS-wise anyway.

The rendering is ...hard to describe, but it's different. It's basically the same, but there are tiny differences. He liked it more. Besides, I showed him css/edge on both browsers...

Quite true— from a developer’s point of view, page rendering is really quite hard.

But from the user’s point of view, it is probably the most basic feature of a www browser. Forget built-in email, widgets that match the OS, spell-checkers, address books, business cards and maps, theme switching (dynamic or otherwise), favicons, ... If it doesn’t display web pages properly, what’s the point of all these additional niceties?

One could be cynical and say that it’s much easier (and more fun) to work on the niceties than the really hard rendering stuff. But that’s probably unfair.

I actually think Mozilla does a bloody good job, especially on pages like Eric Meyer’s Edge pages. But I wish that these font niggles would be sorted out. If not, some will inevitably perceive a lack of priorities in the development, whether rightly or wrongly.

If IE6 is so much more standards complient than Mozilla then why can't it handle this standards complient page properly?

http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/complexspira l/demo.html