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First of all, the poster was brave enough to go against the obvious groupthink. That's worth some "interesting" points, unless you're abusing the moderation system by modding "flamebait" simply to deny eyeballs to a non-groupthink point of view.

Second of all, there are genuine good points within the post. The question of "framing the debate" isn't just involved in the pro/anti-gay debates, it happens in just about every debate. Abortion debaters mark themselves as "pro-choice" or "pro-life" because that tars their opponents as "anti-choice" or "anti-life" by implication. Democrats and Republicans regularly tar each other with all sorts of epithets. PETA seems to switch its nomenclature on a weekly basis, trying to figure out something that doesn't expose them as just a bunch of goat-fuckers. Environmental activists always push themselves as being "pro-environment" or "pro-earth" rather than "anti-" whatever their target of the day is.

The point made by parent, questioning whether the "choice" versus "not a choice" language is a tactic that may or may not have basis in fact, is very valid.

There is considerable debate within the "homosexual community", as well as scientific researchers, on whether homosexuality is innate, a choice, or somewhere in between. We know that there are people who claim to be "only gay", "only straight", and "bi-sexual" (or as some might say jokingly or not, "too horny to care"). We know that there are people who go to incredible lengths to mutilate their bodies in the name of either "beauty" or "identity" - some trying to look like animals, some trying to achieve unrealistic self-imposed beauty standards, some just nutcases, some trying to rewrite their "sexual identity".

It's entirely valid to question the assertion that a group of people, at least some of whom choose (rather than are forced) to be a part of the group, deserve some form of "protected class" consideration.

Why doesn't the government just require MySpace to have a splash page, that, instead of the

"Are You 18? [Yes] [No]"

bit, let's have them put a

"Are You a Sexual Predator looking for some 14 year old action? [Yes] [No]"

Then, if they click yes, we direct them here for tips and tricks!

Would http://www.michaeljackson.com/ and http://www.r-kelly.com/ be forced to move too? Say it ain't so.

BTW if anybody is interested in exactly what it was like to be walking on the moon in the 60's and 70's I recommend they have a look at the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal

On the other hand, if you interested what it was like during the 80's, I recommend viewing a Micheal Jackson video.

Have to disagree with you there.

This guy [michaeljackson.com] changed his race. And it certainly looks like he's changed his (to use the pronoun lightly) gender...

Already did.

I wonder how long before MP3s of this song exist despite the copy protection.

Er, you *do* know that the single was released on the Net several weeks ago in various formats and
immediately appeared on Gnutella, etc., right?