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Michael Jackson Releases Uncopyable CD
Derek Jeter writes "NTK.net is reporting in their weekly newsletter that another copy restricted CD has surfaced, this time Michael Jackson's newest single, "Rock Your World". "When loaded into the CD drive, the disc spun continuously as though the drive was trying to access the TOC of a blank or corrupted CDR." Ughh, Doesn't this violoate the Red Book Standard?" I wonder how long before MP3s of this song exist despite the copy protection. So far its just free promotional copies of the single. I tell ya I'm gonna be pissed the first time I buy a CD and discover I can't listen to it in my computer.
If the record companies are too slow to keep up with the pace of technology, so be it, its they're loss. Move on to new formats. They have to accept that theyre revenue has moved to other non physical formats.
We have a range of various formats, e.g., MP3, WMA, ogg vorbis etc.
Who needs a shiny disk? All it takes up is physical space.
----- Whats wrong with this picture? http://www.revoh.org:1234/whatswrong
nuff said. [sic]
These measures only hurt legitimate customers. It takes only one h@x0r to bypass the protection on that CD in order to freely share the song as MP3.
This will only make more people copy this song as MP3 so they can play it on their PCs, and will probably cause less people to but the CD. They're really mostly hurting themselves here.
Make even shorter URLs - 8LN.org
First off, who would want any micheal jackson crap. and Secondly if you really wanted it, you could find some sort of way to crack it. There will be ways around this, because i dont think this will be the last record company who will do this.
Gaming Shizzle
I don't have any big urge to copy Michael Jackson's CDs anyway.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
There is already a lawsuit out there over this. IANAL but I would guess all they have to do is disclose that it can't be copied on the box and they are covered. If it's labeled and you still buy it then you know what you're buying.
Still, I hope this stuff gets cracked soon. I actually believe that people buy more CDs when they get the MP3 first. That's certainly true for me.
That which does not kill me only makes me whinier
The song is already on AudioGalaxy and available for download. They just can't win. Copy protection doesn't work!
Make even shorter URLs - 8LN.org
But then, what should we expect from a major record label?
Remember when businesses tried to *please* their customers?
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Posted anonymously since I'm not sure my employers would care for me posting that ;-)
These guys just don't get it. All it takes is one audiophile with a decent sound system, a couple RCA cables, and an MP3 encoder. Sure it'll be an D-A-D job and you'll lose a bit of fidelity on the initial copy, but once that's done, it'll be perfectly preserved, copy after copy after copy after copy.
Copy-protected music just doesn't work, because until we all start carrying around implants in our heads, the data *must* be converted to analog sound, and when that happens, the copy protection convieniently goes away.
now couldn't you just take your time and hook up a regular cd-player to the audio in of the sound card, digitaly record it and compress it? ??? but then you have to ask yourself, who wants a copy of a song from micheal jackson?
Never put off till tommarow what you can avoid all together.
By the grace of God, you were spared. No one should have to listen to Michael Jackson. In fact, I bet that CD player is worth a mint now. I wish my CD players and computers all refused to play any Michael Jackson whatsoever!
Real men don't need signitures!!!
1. Have high-quality outputs on your stereo.
2. Have high-quality inputs on your sound card.
3. Have high-quality audio cables.
Case closed.
Not that that justifies what they're doing, but it suggests they might be less likely to do it to end-user copies.
If it was someone like NIN, it would be news worthy, but does any here really care about Micheal Jackson...
Looking for any old 8-bit Heathkit/Zenith software/hardware - http://heathkit.garlanger.com
You can ALWAYS bypass the protection by recording in 'analogue', so I dont see much point of developing all these anti-rip crap. Analogue can be recorded at VERY VERY VERY high quality provided you have some decent equipment. And yet, the 128-192kbps MP3 is goign to mask that affect anyway... so at the end of the day, you will hear exactly the same thing,
How am I supposed to copy this without breaking DMCA?
Is a cd player with a digital out a circumvention device?
I am releasing MY recordings for free, in both MP3 and Ogg Vorbis formats, under the EFF's Open Audio License. This kind of promotion really works!
All though it's a shame to give my good money to child-molesting Michael Jackson, anything for science!
My procedure will be:
1) Plug my regular CD player audio output into computer audio input.
2) Launch your favorite free audio recorder/editor. Hit record.
3) Press play on CD.
4) Enjoy (if possibble).
And I didn't even break a sweat.
Who did what now?
A bit strange name for a japanese woman don't you think ?
... he's been releasing unlistenable CDs for years.
"When loaded into the CD drive, the disc spun continuously as though the drive was trying to access the TOC of a blank or corrupted CDR.."
I hope that won't damage my CD drive. Someone better post some instruction on how to correct this, preferbly on a new clean CDR...
Oh heck. I'll just skip buying this CD(or listening to the song). Time to save some money.
I have a Cd player with an optical out and a sound card with an optical in :)
Your ad here ask me how!
A 15 second search on Gnutella found hundreds of copies of this song. I don't know if they're "digitially pure" but they're available.
-Russ
Me
Reportedly, the two people that wanted to rip the CD were disappointed.
I thought about this wrt the DMCA. This would make my Sony CD Player a Circumvention Device.
Ironic that a company that wants this legislation makes a device that could be considered illegal under it.
All you have to do is play it in a CD player and record it.
>These guys just don't get it. All it takes is one audiophile with a decent sound system, a couple RCA cables, and an MP3 encoder. Sure it'll be an D-A-D job and you'll lose a bit of fidelity on the initial copy, but once that's done, it'll be perfectly preserved, copy after copy after copy after copy.
Yeah. But wouldn't one be able to get a perfect digital copy of it as well? Many CD players have digital out's and a couple of soundcards have digital in's (S-PDIF)? With a bit of magic, wouldn't it wokr?
I saw the mp3 up for download atleast 5 days ago. Obviously the technoogy really worked :P
Most sound systems have digital optical out hooked up to their cd players, and with digital optical in (which I have on my live drive II) you can get perfect quality copies of the song easily, unfortunately the downside to this is that with digital optical out you must play the entire song...
The latest research has discovered that in addition to being uncopyable, Michael Jackson's new CD is also unlistenable. Purchases report little more than high-pitch squeaks, scratches, murmurs and the occasional "hoo!".
Got Rhinos?
Just stick it into an old CD player that has analog out, then feed it into your sound card, record as raw PCM and encode to mp3 or whatever!!!
So long as you don't have a crap sound card with lots of noise, noone will notice the difference.
They are wasting time and money, and will only end up pissing of ligitimate customers, while the rest of us will continue to share music as normal.
- PS. This is what part of the alphabet would look like if Q and R where eliminated.
Just how hard is it to run a set of patch cables? The performance loss is far less than what you get on MP3 as it is.
And besides, I can see some audio geek in a pro studio getting pissed off at the king of poop, and making a copy just to screw with him
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
Michael Jackson is such a prime example of someone who just needs to pack it in and stay at home.
sure you could, but i don't that so many people have digital out on their regular cd player and digital in on their soundcard.
Of course.. if you are going to trash the tunes by mp3'it maybe it does not matter..
just plug the line out of your stereo to the line in of your computer and start to record...there u go...you have a copy of that lame music on your computer...
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Hook a regular CD player into the audio in of your sound card, and sample with a .wav software program like Sound Forge. If it's a digital in, you won't even have any reduction in quality.
Then, convert to MP3.
Well, that was easy, wasn't it?
SL
There is a simple way to bipass any anti-copying mechcanisms...
Play the CD... hook the sound into your computer's sound card's line-in... set the computer to recorn the line-in sound... done.
Any anti-copying mechcanisms are pathetic at the least, & plain don't work.
Howabout making music a not-for-profit enterprise =) Maybe I'm a bit too radical.
How naive are they thinking that can ever work? Anyone that either has a) a way of recording a stereo signal or b) a way of splitting a stereo out in to two mono outs, recording both and splicing them together can just record the CD to digital and encode to MP3 from there. I use the former method to digitize mix tapes for people all the time...each song takes about 1.5 times it's length to do...oooh...what a barrier!
The Internet, one place where if you're not right, someone else will set you straight... maybe.
08-28-2001 Michael_Jackson-You_Rock_My_World(Cd_Single)-2001- RNS
The Nine Billion Names of God
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Arthur C. Clarke
The title story was written, for want of anything better to do, during a rainy weekend at the Roosevelt Hotel. Its basic arithmetic was later challenged by J. B. S. Haldane, but I managed to save the situation by alphanumeric evasions whose precise nature now escapes me.
"J. B. S." also remarked of this story, and "The Star" (q.v.): "You are one of the very few living persons who has written anything original about God. You have in fact written several mutually incompatible things. If you had stuck to one theological hypothesis you might have been a serious public danger." I am glad of my self-contradiction, preferring to remain a prophet with a small p.
Nevertheless, I appear to have created a durable myth: not long ago, a radio talk on the BBC referred to the opening situation of this story as actual fact. And now that IBM computers have entered the field of biblical scholarship, perhaps this theme is coming a little closer to reality.
"This is a slightly unusual request," said Dr. Wagner, with what he hoped was commendable restraint. "As far as I know, it's the first time anyone's been asked to supply a Tibetan monastery with an Automatic Sequence Computer. I don't wish to be inquisitive, but I should hardly have thought that your -ah-establishment had much use for such a machine. Could you explain just what you intend to do with it?"
"Gladly," replied the lama, readjusting his silk robes and carefully putting away the slide rule he had been using for currency conversions. "Your Mark V Computer can carry out any routine mathematical operation involving up to ten digits. However, for our work we are interested in letters, not numbers. As we wish you to modify the output circuits, the machine will be printing words, not columns of figures."
"I don't quite understand. . .
"This is a project on which we have been working for the last three centuries-since the lamasery was founded, in fact. It is somewhat alien to your way of thought, so I hope you will listen with an open mind while I explain it."
"Naturally."
"It is really quite simple. We have been compiling a list which shall contain all the possible names of God."
"I beg your pardon?"
"We have reason to believe," continued the lama imper-turbably, "that all such names can be written with not more than nine letters in an alphabet we have devised."
"And you have been doing this for three centuries?"
"Yes: we expected it would take us about fifteen thousand years to complete the task."
"Oh," Dr. Wagner looked a little dazed. "Now I see why you wanted to hire one of our machines. But exactly what is the purpose of this project?"
The lama hesitated for a fraction of a second, and Wagner wondered if he had offended him. If so, there was no trace of annoyance in the reply.
"Call it ritual, if you like, but it's a fundamental part of our belief. All the many names of the Supreme Being-God, Jehovah, Allah, and so on-they are only man-made labels. There is a philosophical problem of some difficulty here, which I do not propose to discuss, but somewhere among all the possible combinations of letters that can occur are what one may call the real names of God. By systematic permutation of letters, we have been trying to list them all."
"I see. You've been starting at AAAAAAA . . . and working up to ZZZZZZZZ. . .
"Exactly-though we use a special alphabet of our own. Modifying the electromatic typewriters to deal with this is, of course, trivial. A rather more interesting problem is that of devising suitable circuits to eliminate ridiculous combinations. For example, no letter must occur more than three times in succession."
"Three? Surely you mean two."
"Three is correct: I am afraid it would take too long to explain why, even if you understood our language."
"I'm sure it would," said Wagner hastily. "Go on."
"Luckily, it will be a simple matter to adapt your Automatic Sequence Computer for this work, since once it has been programed properly it will permute each letter in turn and print the result. What would have taken us fifteen thousand years it will be able to do in a hundred days."
Dr. Wagner was scarcely conscious of the faint sounds from the Manhattan streets far below. He was in a different world, a world of natural, not man-made, mountains. High up in their remote aeries these monks had been patiently at work, generation after generation, compiling their lists of meaningless words. Was there any limit to the follies of mankind? Still, he must give no hint of his inner thoughts. The customer was always right. . . .
"There's no doubt," replied the doctor, "that we can modify the Mark V to print lists of this nature. I'm much more worried about the problem of installation and maintenance. Getting out to Tibet, in these days, is not going to be easy."
"We can arrange that. The components are small enough to travel by air-that is one reason why we chose your machine. If you can get them to India, we will provide transport from there."
"And you want to hire two of our engineers?"
"Yes, for the three months that the project should occupy."
"I've no doubt that Personnel can manage that." Dr. Wagner scribbled a note on his desk pad. "There are just two other points-"
Before he could finish the sentence the lama had produced a small slip of paper.
"This is my certified credit balance at the Asiatic Bank."
"Thank you. It appears to be-ah-adequate. The second matter is so trivial that I hesitate to mention it-but it's surprising how often the obvious gets overlooked. What source of electrical energy have you?"
"A diesel generator providing fifty kilowatts at a hundred and ten volts. It was installed about five years ago and is quite reliable. It's made life at the lamasery much more comfortable, but of course it was really installed to provide power for the motors driving the prayer wheels."
"Of course," echoed Dr. Wagner. "I should have thought of that."
The view from the parapet was vertiginous, but in time one gets used to anything. After three months, George Hanley was not impressed by the two-thousand-foot swoop into the abyss or the remote checkerboard of fields in the valley below. He was leaning against the wind-smoothed stones and staring morosely at the distant mountains whose names he had never bothered to discover.
This, thought George, was the craziest thing that had ever happened to him. "Project Shangri-La," some wit back at the labs had christened it. For weeks now the Mark V had been churning out acres of sheets covered with gibberish. Patiently, inexorably, the computer had been rearranging letters in all their possible combinations, exhausting each class before going on to the next. As the sheets had emerged from the electromatic typewriters, the monks had carefully cut them up and pasted them into enormous books. In another week, heaven be praised, they would have finished. Just what obscure calculations had convinced the monks that they needn't bother to go on to words of ten, twenty, or a hundred letters, George didn't know. One of his recurring nightmares was that there would be some change of plan, and that the high lama (whom they'd naturally called Sam Jaffe, though he didn't look a bit like him) would suddenly announce that the project would be extended to approximately A.D. 2060. They were quite capable of it.
George heard the heavy wooden door slam in the wind as Chuck came out onto the parapet beside him. As usual, Chuck was smoking one of the cigars that made him so popular with the monks-who, it seemed, were quite willing to embrace all the minor and most of the major pleasures of life. That was one thing in their favor: they might be crazy, but they weren't bluenoses. Those frequent trips they took down to the village, for instance . . .
"Listen, George," said Chuck urgently. "I've learned something that means trouble."
"What's wrong? Isn't the machine behaving?" That was the worst contingency George could imagine. It might delay his return, and nothing could be more horrible. The way he felt now, even the sight of a TV commercial would seem like manna from heaven. At least it would be some link with home.
"No-it's nothing like that." Chuck settled himself on the parapet, which was unusual because normally he was scared of the drop. "I've just found what all this is about."
"What d'ya mean? I thought we knew."
"Sure-we know what the monks are trying to do. But we didn't know why. It's the craziest thing-"
"Tell me something new," growled George.
"-but old Sam's just come clean with me. You know the way he drops in every afternoon to watch the sheets roll out. Well, this time he seemed rather excited, or at least as near as he'll ever get to it. When I told him that we were on the last cycle he asked me, in that cute English accent of his, if I'd ever wondered what they were trying to do. I said, 'Sure'- and he told me."
"Go on: I'll buy it."
"Well, they believe that when they have listed all His names-and they reckon that there are about nine billion of them-God's purpose will be achieved. The human race will have finished what it was created to do, and there won't be any point in carrying on. Indeed, the very idea is something like blasphemy."
"Then what do they expect us to do? Commit suicide?"
"There's no need for that. When the list's completed, God steps in and simply winds things up . . . bingo!"
"Oh, I get it. When we finish our job, it will be the end of the world."
Chuck gave a nervous little laugh.
"That's just what I said to Sam. And do you know what happened? He looked at me in a very queer way, like I'd been stupid in class, and said, 'It's nothing as trivial as that.'"
George thought this over for a moment.
"That's what I call taking the Wide View," he said presently. "But what d'you suppose we should do about it? I don't see that it makes the slightest difference to us. After all, we already knew that they were crazy."
"Yes-but don't you see what may happen? When the list's complete and the Last Trump doesn't blow-or whatever it is they expect-we may get the blame. It's our machine they've been using. I don't like the situation one little bit."
"I see," said George slowly. "You've got a point there. But this sort of thing's happened before, you know. When I was a kid down in Louisiana we had a crackpot preacher who once said the world was going to end next Sunday. Hundreds of people believed him-even sold their homes. Yet when nothing happened, they didn't turn nasty, as you'd expect. They just decided that he'd made a mistake in his calculations and went right on believing. I guess some of them still do."
"Well, this isn't Louisiana, in case you hadn't noticed. There are just two of us and hundreds of these monks. I like them, and I'll be sorry for old Sam when his lifework backfires on him. But all the same, I wish I was somewhere else."
"I've been wishing that for weeks. But there's nothing we can do until the contract's finished and the transport arrives to fly us out."
"Of course," said Chuck thoughtfully, "we could always try a bit of sabotage."
"Like hell we could! That would make things worse." "Not the way I meant. Look at it like this. The machine
will finish its run four days from now, on the present twenty-hours-a-day basis. The transport calls in a week. OK-then all we need to do is to find something that needs replacing during one of the overhaul periods-something that will hold up the works for a couple of days. We'll fix it, of course, but not too quickly. If we time matters properly, we can be down at the airfield when the last name pops out of the register. They won't be able to catch us then."
"I don't like it," said George. "It will be the first time I ever walked out on a job. Besides, it would make them suspicious. No, I'll sit tight and take what comes."
"I still don't like it," he said, seven days later, as the tough little mountain ponies carried them down the winding road. "And don't you think I'm running away because I'm afraid. I'm just sorry for those poor old guys up there, and I don't want to be around when they find what suckers they've been. Wonder how Sam will take it?"
"It's funny," replied Chuck, "but when I said good-by I got the idea he knew we were walking out on him-and that he didn't care because he knew the machine was running smoothly and that the job would soon be finished. After that
-well, of course, for him there just isn't any After That. . .
George turned in his saddle and stared back up the mountain road. This was the last place from which one could get a clear view of the lamasery. The squat, angular buildings were silhouetted against the afterglow of the sunset: here and there, lights gleamed like portholes in the side of an ocean liner. Electric lights, of course, sharing the same circuit as the Mark V. How much longer would they share it? wondered George. Would the monks smash up the computer in their rage and disappointment? Or would they just sit down quietly and begin their calculations all over again?
He knew exactly what was happening up on the mountain at this very moment. The high lama and his assistants would be sitting in their silk robes, inspecting the sheets as the junior monks carried them away from the typewriters and pasted them into the great volumes. No one would be saying anything. The only sound would be the incessant patter, the never-ending rainstorm of the keys hitting the paper, for the Mark V itself was utterly silent as it flashed through its thousands of calculations a second. Three months of this, thought George, was enough to start anyone climbing up the wall.
"There she is!" called Chuck, pointing down into the valley. "Ain't she beautiful!"
She certainly was, thought George. The battered old DC3 lay at the end of the runway like a tiny silver cross. In two hours she would be bearing them away to freedom and sanity. It was a thought worth savoring like a fine liqueur. George let it roll round his mind as the pony trudged patiently down the slope.
The swift night of the high Himalayas was now almost upon them. Fortunately, the road was very good, as roads went in that region, and they were both carrying torches. There was not the slightest danger, only a certain discomfort from the bitter cold. The sky overhead was perfectly clear, and ablaze with the familiar, friendly stars. At least there would be no risk, thought George, of the pilot being unable to take off because of weather conditions. That had been his only remaining worry.
He began to sing, but gave it up after a while. This vast arena of mountains, gleaming like whitely hooded ghosts on every side, did not encourage such ebullience. Presently George glanced at his watch.
"Should be there in an hour," he called back over his shoulder to Chuck. Then he added, in an afterthought: "Wonder if the computer's finished its run. It was due about now."
Chuck didn't reply, so George swung round in his saddle. He could just see Chuck's face, a white oval turned toward the sky.
"Look," whispered Chuck, and George lifted his eyes to heaven. (There is always a last time for everything.) Overhead, without any fuss, the stars were going out.
New York May 1952
I'll be more pissed the first time I buy a CD and discover I bought one by Michael Jackson. <shudder>
Slashdot? Oh, I just read it for the articles.
...getting old, but you could copy it thru either the digital cables or the analog cables onto your comp and then burn it ... this is just an annoyance for informed consumers.
boooooooo-urns.
I tell ya I'm gonna be pissed the first time I buy a CD and discover I can't listen to it in my computer.
They better put a warning label on those cds. If I buy a cd that can't play on my computer, I'll just return it as defective.
OTOH, if they state on a label that "This CD has been modified and might not work on all PC cd players", caveat emptor.
No sig
This seems like a marketing tactic to me. You think that Jackson is smart enough to trick all us geeks into buying his CD just to try to crack it?
God, would someone take the lead on class action lawsuit. This has it written all over it.
"Everyone who can still fill a stadium please step forward. Not so fast, Mr. Jackson."
"All non-pedophiles please step forward. Not so fast, Mr. Jackson."
Ya know, it's pretty easy to get your message across to the record companies. Don't buy CD's. Find a better hobby than listening to music.
These guys only care about money. Hit them where is hurts, the wallet.
You do have the choice whether or not you support the music industry.
Just a thought.
-Fred
Go to your local store...purchase it.
return it the next day and say it does not work....if they give you another, come back again and say it does not work
When stores realise how annoying it is, they may do something about it.
Take a CD player with digital outputs, and a sound card with digital inputs.
La Voila.
i just went to kuro5hin... there weren't any goatse.cx links or pedophiles or anything like that! it's SCARY!!! :(
What the world needs is heavily encrypted children that Michael Jackson can not whaxor into and humpzor them. I couldn't possibly care less if some pedophilic child molestor billionaire encrypts his shitty music.
nuff said
He'll probably take out his anger by bitchslapping a few users.
... is the CD that automatically self-destructs after you've listened to it.
I don't want to pick on Mr. Jackson but, he hasn't come out with a decent song in what seems like a decade! He hasn't had any recent songs that were worth copying to mp3. You have to go all the way back to the days of songs like 'Thriller'.
Sorry Jackson, but you suck now.
Would that make you a Smooth Criminal (hoo)?
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The SSSCA will most likely pass and will be a formidable parter to the DMCA in order to restrict Fair Use and other Consumer rights. This is just a preamble.
All CDs will be encrypted with some type of Microsoft Windows XP clearing house mechanism that verifies a signature to see if you really did PAY for your CD. If the signature is already registered or perhaps doesn't match some type of logic, an automatic message will go to the FBI to arrest the criminal who is screwing the poor RIIA out of their hard earned money.
No matter of course if the mechanism they come up with is inadequate and has many innocent people arrested because their stuff doesn't work. They want to see as many sinners as possible be jailed. Intimidation tactics - same as we're trying with the Taliban. "If you're not with us, you're with them..."
And the worst thing is that Americans will let this happen and be proud of it. This is harm that will take tramendous effort to undo, if at all possible.
Alex
Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think. -Ayn Rand
That doesn't matter too much, the MP3 has been out there for about a month now. Oops.
To buy the new Plunderphonics box set!
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
I personally have boycotted the recording industry, I will not buy any new CD's unti an acceptable resolution is established. This includes a repeal of the DMCA
Besides these days anyone can get nearly any music they want for free, this is leverage that we should use to remind them we do not HAVE to buy their music, they must make us want to.
-Mark
They're trafficing in a circumvention device. Under the DMCA they are facing criminal punishment.
Make even shorter URLs - 8LN.org
If you buy it and can't listen to it, return it. Make sure to mention you can't listen to it in your computer. If they do something stupid and this starts to happen, they might get the message.
They that quote Benjamin Franklin on liberty and safety deserve neither.
Thank god! The less CD's out there the better!
Return the CD to the store - it is defective. Get them to replace it. Do this a few times. This will cost them significant $$s, plus generate quite a few returns to the record company.
If this happens enough, stores will refuse to stock this type of CD and if enough stores refuse to stock them, the record companies will stop making them.
Do I own a cd player? No. I own a PC that I use to rip my cds to mp3 LEGALLY, and then use a creative nomad to play mp3s. Now this means I have to shell out another $100 to buy a decent cd player. Thanks.
da w00t. mtfnpy?
Also, software would bypass this "protection" very easily. I'm no expert, but can't you just tell the cd driver where to look to play the song, rather than rely on it to auto-detect what it's supposed to do?
YES, there is a McDonald's in Hanoi Square.
How ironic that a "free promotional" CD would prevent users from listening to it, much less copy it. You'd think if you were giving out promotional material, you would want it to be spread the furthest you could.
What idiots.
"Every man is a mob, a chain gang of idiots." - Jonathan Nolan, Memento Mori
...but where on the CD case does it say that it conforms? As a matter of curiosity, does this CD actually have the "Compact Disc--Digital Audio" logo on it? Even if it does, does this mean that it complies with the standard--or does it mean only that it will play on players that comply with the standard?
I used to wonder about the companies that broadcast scrambled pay-content over regular television broadcast channels. Weren't THEY violating FCC standards by transmitting a non-NTSC-compliant signal? Didn't seem to matter...
As for PC vendors, they've been playing fast and loose with standards for ages. I remember first getting into this with people that kept insisting (incorrectly) that the Apple ][ generated NTSC video. Apple in fact had a carefully worded but misleading statement that said something like "the video is designed to be viewed on monitors that comply with the NTSC standard." That is, the signal was (way) outside the NTSC standard, but the NTSC standard for MONITORS requires them to be very tolerant...
I keep hearing horror stories from DVD enthusiasts. Apparently, in this year of our Lord 2001, it's not at all rare to find DVD X that plays in player A but not player B... and DVD Y that plays in player B but not player A. Not because of copy-protection or anything like that. Just because of bad standards, lame engineering, and NO watchdogs.
You know the sort of thing... the standard may say you can do thus-and-such, but very few DVD's actually do it, so lots of DVD players can get away with not implementing it quite right...
"How to Do Nothing," kids activities, back in print!
but no one noticed....
There's an easy way around this. Do what I do, just don't buy audio CDs. I've found that I just plain don't miss them.
The net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it. -- John Gilmore
So what happens when a it's recorded onto another CD with one of Sony's consumer CD recorders? Does it produce a normal CD without that wacko formatting, or does the little LED display read "OWN3D"?
a huge throbbing cock in your mouth?
Thank you.
--Cocks Ucker, Fag.
Then this is something different than simply storing data with an invalid CRC. This is an error in the TOC.
I wonder if this disc will also fail to play in some of the fancier auto sound systems with changers, the ones that pre-read all the TOCs to build a playlist.
It means I can buy CDs, burn them to MP3s with my haxored software, and then return them as broken, since they won't play in my CD ROM drive.
mine would go right back to the store, all they're doing is proving that we should listen to indie-artists who cant afford this BS, and for every MP3 distroed they get half a cd sale. Michael hasnt been played in this house in 10 years anyway
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I've seen the track on all P2P networks for at least one month.
.wav files directly (as .cda files)...
Listening to it right now. hehe
Past efforts at making un-copy-able cd's failed flat.
I was able to copy/rip under windoze using CloneCD (www.elby.org) and that hacked cdfs.vxd (url escapes me right now) which enable you to access the audio tracks as
Record lables can just as well forget it. Even less-than-l33t hax0r-wannabees can bypass the sad'n'sorry attempts af un-copy-able cd's that I've seen so far.
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Radio Stations on the Net are already playing it, which can then be ripped at ... well my accidental copy was 128 K/s ... but whatever bitrate they send out at.
oops for the radio stations.
So when did Michael Jackson stop developing software methodologies and start doing pop music? (true nerds know that along with Ed Yourdan, Larry Constantine, Grady Booch, James Rumbaugh and the rest, you will find Michael Jackson the methodologist)
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
I bought a CD from MP3.com and it will only play in my CD-ROM drive. The CD is a hybrid format with some Windows only CD player attached to autoplay. All of my CD players choke on it, thinking it's a bad CD.
I am truly shocked that no one has begin suing these idiots, but i have made it my calling to fuel the mp3 community and sorry michael ur song is already out there in MP3 form . So keep up the bad work monkey boy. Look for it on Morpheus
Nasty copy protection on C64 games often made it impossible to back up the flakey 5 1/4 disks they came on. That is, unless you went to your local pirate BBS and got yourself a copy of the latest patch. Those who did this enjoyed their games as long as they liked. Those who did not were stuck whining when their favorite game ate it after being shoved into and pulled out of the 1541 drive too many times.
The same applies today with music. I was listening to one of my VNV Nation CD backups the other day, and it started skipping. This happened to be a limited edition- it would have been very hard to replace had that been the real CD I'd bought all scratched up and skipping like that. But I was able to go home and make another, then toss out the busted one. Good stuff!
I protect my investment. My CD investment is quite substantial- over 250 CDs last time I checked... and all the ones that get real use from me get burned to copies. I wouldn't shed a tear if my CD case fell off a boat or got lost or whatever while I travel these days, since it's all burned backups. I wonder how people will get by in the future?
What we call folk wisdom is often no more than a kind of expedient stupidity.-Edward Abbey
I bought a CD in Germany (Love Parade 2001 compilation) and was completely pissed off when I removed the outer paper liner to find
'Dieser CD spielt nicht auf dem CDROM'
Translation:
This CD doesn't play in a CDROM.
There was a warning label on the back, but they put a paper box around it! (and the box didn't have the warning label on it)
Of course, back home now, I have no chance of returning it to Kaufhof...
It seems as if that's all one would have to say upon returning a defective (non-compliant) Compact Disc. If they want to copy-protect their products, then let them also manufacture the players. Ha!
The Pioneer DVD-ROM drives can usually handle more CD's than others. The Ricos are really bad. Creative Labs have trouble ejecting. Just because a particular CD-ROM drive stops working doesn't mean big business is taking away individual freedom by copy protecting CD's.
So far its just free promotional copies of the single.
Record Company: This new copy protection method will ensure that nobody is getting a "free ride" with the new Michael Jackson single.
Person with common sense: Aren't you giving away the single for free anyways?
Record Compnay: Ummmmmmm....
Stupid Cheap Guitars
Thank god!
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"Karma can only be portioned out by the cosmos." - Homer Simpson [1F10]
This is a classic case of using old tools to combat new problems. It simply doesn't work sometimes.
Sound is analog data, which means that will always be one step away from becoming digital data. The only way to stop sound from being recorded is to play silence.
(What's next? Making paintings which cannot be photographed? The only way to stop the capture of light is to reflect no light. Just as the only way to stop sound from being recorded is to emit no sound.)
Music is essentially already software, albeit analog software. The software industry years ago has tried all of this. Disk-drive access schemes, dongles, you name it, been there, failed. Software vendors have given up on copy-protection and moved to prosecution of offenders. Still not a complete success, but cheaper and more effective than protection.
It's also a war of attrition. It costs the recording industry millions to research and implement failed copyright schemes, and that cost is always passed on to the customer. In this case, an added cost to the customer is the potential for the damage of their CD player.
But let's not be fooled that Sony is actually worried about damaging CD players. They probably do not mind one bit that x% of CD players which repeatedly play the Michael Jackson CD will need to be replaced within 6 months. After all, they do a bang-up business in both CDs and CD players from all of this.
(To put this into perspective, imagine the furor which would erupt if Intel sold software which was known to damage their CPUs. Can anyone say illegal business practices? Class-action? I certainly can and more importantly, I would.)
In all this, the irony is that pirating MP3s is already a crime, and one which the record companies can act upon if they choose. Pirating MP3s is very, very prevalent in our society -- it happens more than littering and jaywalking combined, which is to say that is basically un-policeable on a wide scale.
But the record companies would be fully justified in hiring a few interns to snoop out piraters, and then getting the courts to levy fines on those people. Do it more than once to repeat offenders, and the global network would feel the impact. If an 14-year-old gets slapped with a $250 fine, her parents are responsible for paying that fine, so let's not presume that youth can escape the law either.
By levying fines in court, the record companies could recuperate some of their losses in ways that expensive copyright protection schemes never will.
Sheer folly, all of it.
-brundlefly
Ya know, if these things work in regular CD-Audio formats, in the sense that they're designed not to work in computer CD-Audio drives, then the best way to get around this would be to hook up a regular CD-Audio drive to the Line In of your sound card by way of a RCA-to-Microphone (don't know the exact name, all I know is I have three of these sort of connectors) jack, and record the Line In directly to wave or MP3. That's probably how we'll end up with MP3s of the stuff despite the copy protection.
Let's face it, wouldn't you thrash and refuse to play a Michelle Jackson CD?
So instead of going after the "pirates", they go after their average consumer.
Good one Rosen...
Since I have a portable MP3 player, I have put all my CDs in a cupboard and for the rest of the time I use my computer to listen to them. The extra advantage is the ability to put them into random play and I no longer get fed up with the tunes, which tends to happen if you play the same CD over and over because you can't be bothered to take the CD out ;)
If I were confronted with a copy protected CD I would take it back, citing that it is incompatible with my main play-back device - luckily I haven't had to do that yet.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
I hope there's going to be a back door in the encryption for all the Feds wanting to copy it...
That RNS jacked that rip off of either an EGO or REV ftp and retagged it...
wouldn't be the first time they did it... I've got friends in all 3 of those groups and they say that stealing other groups rips goes with the territory.
Kind of sad really.
CmdrTaco fucks children
A quick search on Xolox reveals several files named things like “Michael Jackson - You Rock My World.mp3” -- but I have not verified them, as my life is a Michael-Jackson-free zone.
I'm sure that someone will come up with a digital 'bridge' that will filter the packets and change the 'copy protect' status to 'copy ok'. Its only a matter of time.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
The record companies should do us a favor and go one step further. Don't bother with uncopyable Michael Jackson CD's, go straight to *unplayable* Michael Jackson CD's.
You know, PROPAGANDA has a nice photo of Michael Jackson's plastic surgery disaster. Its no wonder he wears a mask wherever he goes.. his fucking nose is falling off.
Cheers,
Bowie J. Poag
Besides the already mentioned availability at AudioGalaxy it's also available in a number of MP3 channels on various IRC servers (Dalnet, EFnet, etc). If you look, it's rather easy to find.
MP3 fanatics just never seem to get it. If its audio, it can be copied to Minidisc. Just get a CD/DVD player with optical out, plug it into the optical in on your Minidisc recorder. Boom! You got yourself a 320kbit sampled copy on 80 minute media that costs next to nothing. Lets see your portable MP3 device touch the audio quality, simplicity, cheap media and battery life of a portable minidisc recorder. Can't even touch it.
my guess is that this is really about hiding the bonus jpegs of naked boys.
----- Trapped in time. Surrounded by evil. Low on gas. --Army of Darkness
1)Insert CD into your nice hifi sepearte
2)Connect Optical Cable to nice PC sound card
3)Press play on CD player
4)Record on pc
5)Encode using ogg vorbis
Tho why any1 would want Michael Jackson music is beyond me
The only things the record companies will understand is money. The have to be financially hurt for this to stop.
If they see a large percentage of their product coming right back at them as returns, they might get the message. Personally, if I ever find a CD I cannot play on my PC, I will return it, saying it's defective. Likely, the store clerk will give me another copy, which I will also return, ad infinitum, until I get my money back. The store will have lost a sale, and the time its clerk took to deal with the issue. The record company will have to accept its defective disks back. Of course, the crecord company won;t notice this until it becomes really bad, since we know the cost of actually creating the physical CD and packaging is their smallest cost overall.
Eventually, the record companies will likely have to label these things as not working on PC-CDROM drives, to avoid having so much of their product returned to them (and wasting the time of record stores). Which will make the average consumer ask why. Having to slap a label on your product informing your customer that you've just screwed them over is likely to make the consumer think. And that's not what the record company wants.
This, of course, assumes that a large number of people use CD-ROM drives to listen to music. I'm not sure what the percentage of the average CD buying public this is. The Record industry has to either be betting that the numbers of people who, say, listen to CD's in the CD-ROM drive of their PC at work are small enough not to make a difference, or they are hoping that the consumer is sheep-like enough to simply accept that they cannot listen to their music in CD-ROMs. I'm not sure on either point.
Shouldn't the headline be "Michael Jackson Releases Unplayable CD" ?
I believe your are wrong but the DMCA forbids me to enlighten you, or to actually talk to the RIAA about it beyond the fact to present my 'LEGAL' copy of the disk,and my media shifted to MY CHOICE of FORMAT. Beyond that I do not see any violations. If the RIAA actually pushed in the research field as they have tried prior and always backed down I would be suprised.
That would suffice.
dkap.info
The guy is a moron. Who the fuck cares.
:wq
Where would he/she be today if Latoya had copyrighted her face?
Who listens to Michael Jackson anyways?
;-)
I think it will be OK if they only do this for CDs by bands like Michael "I Wish I Was White" Jackson. Lets just hope they don't do this for the bands that make good music.
It used to be that when I wanted new music, I had to choose... should I buy the CD and rip it to my computer to listen to it, or should I just download the mp3 from a file sharing service? Now that choice has been made for me. ;^)
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
Sorry, playing it right now. Love my DSL. I got hundreds of hits searching for the MP3 on the FastTrack network. I'm using the CGI interface to giFT. Works.
My name fits again.
I have heard that these new copy protections have the potential to actually damage the cd player using them. Anybody know anything more indepth about that?
Although I'm not the owner of such a cd player, one of my dear friends has a mid-range JVC home mini-system with a built-in S/PDIF optical out for the CD-Player, meaning that anyone posessing an audio interface with compatible inputs would be able to make digital copies of the music (Although it would be like ripping at 1X). In fact, even soundblaster live has a RCA S/PDIF digital in. Meaning the widely used RCA S/PDIF outs on a lot of gear may just get noticed!
As audio interfaces like the MOTU 828 and the Echo Layla24 become increasingly used in home studios, we all just might have a friend who can very well copy this "uncopyable" CD. My only question, to anyone who can answer this is, would some of the erroneous information be transmitted over the pipe? I would think not... but I don't know enough about it.
Serves you the right for listening to the Gloved Chunder anyway.
Warning: The Creative "Live-Drive" soundcards do NOT have proper SPDIF inputs.
If you don't believe me, here's how I proved it:
I used Sound Forge to create an audio clip consisting of a perfect square wave. Then I used a Turtle Beach FIJI soundcard, with true digital I/O, to record the square wave onto a DAT.
Then I used Sound Forge and the same FIJI soundcard to re-read the audio clip through the digital input.
The result was two identical files, consisting of perfect square waves.
Then I took the same DAT deck over and plugged it into the SPDIF input of a Live Drive, and used Sound Forge on that machine to read in the same square wave audio clip.
The result was not a perfect square wave. There was extensive ringing and noise all over the wave.
It turns out that the Creative hardware's SPDIF input doesn't actually make the uncorrupted digital data available. Instead, it converts the digital signal back to an analog signal, then feeds it into the analog mixer, which is then sampled back into the digital domain. The result is a relatively noisy, corrupted signal.
This is why anyone who really wants SPDIF capability should run screaming from the entire Creative line of soundcards. They simply don't perform as one would expect.
Not that I'm into piracy of course...
"Uh, piracy is bad, MM-kay?"
This can't be the work of Michael himself. When Invincible hits shelves, I am buying it, and if it can't be played in my computer (my only cd player), then I will be pissed. MJ is my favorite artist, and if I can't listen to the CD...
-oZZ www.act6.org
All you need to copy this CD is a portable CD Player, some kind of sound recording software, and a $3 cable from Radio Shack. The cable is just a 1/8" jack to a 1/8" jack.
Plug one end into the headphone jack on the portable cd player and the other end into your microphone jack. Then press play on the cd player and Record in your software.
Wallah! Screw Michael Jackson.
...All I can say is that my life is pretty strange...
MD uses lossy compression. Is there no MP3 quality setting that compares? There must be.
Early MD devices used ATRAC, with encoding algorithms as powerful as MP2's, at 256 kbps. Recent MD devices use newer ATRAC encoders that match MP3's quality at anywhere from 64 kbps to 256 kbps. But the ATRAC decoder apparently hasn't changed.
I do not have a CD-R based MP3 player so I can't comment, but my geek intuition tells me that since both kinds of devices have spinning media, decoding hardware and audio hardware they will probably have similar battery life.
MPEG audio layer 3 on ISO9660 uses larger discs than the MD system uses. Larger discs have more rotational inertia and require more power to spin. However, a 2 MB anti-skip buffer means that the double-speed CD mechanism needs to spin up the CD only about once a minute or so to pull 1.5 MB of 192 kbps[1] MP3 audio off the disc and keep the buffer at least a quarter full, saving battery power.
[1] 192 kbps average rate MPEG layer 3 audio encoded with LAME sounds transparent compared to stereo 16-bit linear PCM, i.e. most double-blind listeners can't tell which is the CD and which is the MP3. See R3mix for more info.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Just beat it.
In many states(including the one I live in),headshops are illegal. The government apparently believes that they can regulate product based on what they THINK you're going to do with it.
My question is then, why is this done selectively? It would seem to me that since guns and ammo can be (and frequently are)used to commit violent crimes, why aren't they illegal as well??
I bought Einstürzende Neubauten's Berlin Babylon CD a couple of weeks ago, and that one had some sort of copy protection too. It was supposed to be unplayable on a computer, and exhibited the same symptoms as the M.J. CD - it spun for a long time (more than a minute), but turned out to be playable after all.
Naturally, I had to try ripping it too, and grip worked somewhat; the only problem was the timing of some of the songs, esp. the last one, which was reported to be several minutes longer than it really was, causing grip to time out when trying to rip past the track on the CD.
This was on a 12x AOpen DVD-rom, both in Windows 2000 and Linux. I wouldn't recommend the drive, though, as it Linux refuses to let it use DMA.
Here in Finland, local radio station played that song couple of days before radio debut. DJ got the song as a mp3 from a friend. After that record company advanced the radio debut.
In the case of Michael Jackson, along with a few other has-been performers I can think of (but don't want to) isn't making the CD uncopyable a bit redundant ?
healyourchurchwebsite.com - WWJB?
i bought the new cd 'closer', by better than ezra after downloading a few of the tracks off of kazaa (www.kazaa.com), and they have a 'special feature' that lets me watch music videos of the songs on that cd, check out band bios....very neat, except winamp, nor explorer will recognize the cd as having any audio on it. any ideas, anyone?
by the way, i'm glad they're using this on michael jackson cd's.....not many people in the US buy his stuff anyways, it's mostly overseas popularity from what i understand. if anything, this anti-copying scheme should bring press to MJ and give him some free advertising. i myself did not know until today that he'd released any new music in the past 3 years anyways
moox. for a new generation.
Artists blamed Napster for decreased music sales.
Consumers blamed crappy music for descreased music sales.
Listen to consumers. Non top 40 music has actually increased in sales since since Napster and other file sharing programs. Heck, my friends band's sold twice as many cd's in the past year than they did in the previous two combined. Scary thing is...think about how many cd's NSYNC may have sold if file share progs weren't out there....::shudder::
when i saw the video .. damn, even with all that make up .. it remembered me the planet of the apes
So....grab your handy dandy portable CD player and plug it into your input on your sound card. Just adds a couple of more steps to the process *shrug* no biggie. If you have a SB-Live you can use your Digital jack with the Sony(R) discman works for me. Besides whats everybody whining about this is Michel Jackson for GODS SAKE!
I don't think a lot of people are rushing to download Micheal Jackson's mp3. Like me, if I didn't see this post, I wouldn't have downloaded the mp3 at 196k/s and now am listening to this crapy song over my crapy ass soundcard.
So you see, Jackson's team just wanted to stir a little bit of something, ANYTHING, to get attention. They know all too well that the protection won't work. They just hope that the new young techno savvy kids will download it out of curiosity... after all, all Jackson fans are, what, over 30?
Agreed?
ps - Tony Mottolla is my dad.
Since Mr. Jackson presents us with a CD that cannot be copied, its only fair that we present him with a boy that cannot be molested.
Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
I am curious about this solution, as I myself am in the market for a new sound card. I have heard rumors that the sound blasters don't sample at 44.1Khz, and thus it would be necessary to do sample rate conversion which could degrade the audio quality. Does anyone know if this is true?
If so, can anyone recommend a sound card that is supported by Linux that features a coax digital input suitable for creating a 44.1KHz WAV file directly from the digital output of a CD player?
There is no ammendment to the constitution protecting your right to smoke from a bong you fucking droogie losers!
I have a Leadtek 4Xsound (based on the CMI8738 chipset). Reasonably cheap, too, and has
and unlike the nasty yamaha thing I had previously, it will talk 44.1khz over the digital lines (haven't tried input as I don't have any other equipment that talks SPDIF, only a tempramental minidisc that will listen).
And the last MP3 I copied over to minidisc with this thing I did with linux. So that works. (Windows 2000, on the other hand, doesn't like dealing with the SPDIF side.)
Pretend that something especially witty is here. Thanks.
I don't see what record labels want to accomplish. Just because you can't rip the CD doesn't mean you can't plug your cd player's line-out to your computer's line-in, record, and encode. I even think l.a.m.e. can encode to mp3 strait from the line-in. The only thing that copy protection seems to do well is lower the buyer base of a CD. I don't own a CD player other than on my computer, and if it is going to come down to downloading an mp3 of a song or buying a cd player, I'll just download the mp3. Screw 'em.
`which fortune`
Let's look at this from an economics perspective: marginal cost vs. marginal benefit.
;)). Once this effort is expended, though, it requires no further effort as everyone can make a perfect digital copy.
What is the marginal cost of this new CD protection scheme? People who can't play legitimate copies of CDs they have purchased, the loss of the ability of some people to backup their CD, and the extra expense of licencing this scheme from a company (like how Macrovision is licenced).
What is the marginal benefit of this scheme? Since we know that they can copy the data anyways (since any CD player plays music), we know that at least marignally degraded copies can still be made easily (and who'll notice at 128kbits MP3?). We also know that perfect digital copies can still be made with a little more effort (for those who like higher bitrates
The benefit is so small as to be non-existant, especially compared to the increased base cost of reproduction!
This is not a smart decision. And like the flawed logic that MP3s caused CD sales changes (who here has seen sales data of 10 years with all other factors accounted for so we can see if the responding variable and controlled variable are, in fact, related?), the way the market works should ensure that efforts like these don't last very long -- just make sure to educate people whom you know about this scheme, and hope the distribution method between of artists to art enjoyers changes soon.
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Internet Explorer (n): Another bug -- that is, a feature that can't be turned off -- in Windows.
Head on over to the Philips CD Logo page and download the zip file provided there. Inside is a PDF which gives the official rules for using the Compact Disc logo. The relevant text is on page 8:
Unfortunately you have to pay Philips to get the actual Red Book specification, but if this protection system works by putting "bad" data in the subchannels of the disc, I'd say it's reasonable to assume that this violates the standard. So if you see the "Compact Disc Digital Audio" logo anywhere on the disc or its cover, you can complain to your record store either that the advertising is misleading, or that the disc claims to be compliant but isn't so it must be defective. :-)
Kinda like those movie downloads that only work for 30 days, and stop working a day after the first playback.
I think that most systems that use differences between cd-players and cd-rom can be circumvented with a modified cdfs.vxd .
You should find it by searching for cdfs.zip at google.com.
If you are interested in this topic then check www.cdfreaks.com . It has often news about audioprotection.
If you think the only thing important is the fact that it's made of copper, then I hope you don't enroll in any EE classes... You will fail for sure... If all conductors behave the same, then there would be no such thing as a resistor or a capacitor. There would also be no reason to have step-up/down transformers. There would be no limitation on trace length, there would be no limitation on USB and IEEE-1394 cable length, etc etc... you are the one that doesn't know what they are talking about.
It's essentially a CD with 2 partitions- a computer partition which your machine reads, and then the audio area. The computer partition is marked in such a way that audio CD players skip it. Getting the audio tracks is simple- just use a ripper with awareness of this extra area (CDRWin comes to mind.)
What we call folk wisdom is often no more than a kind of expedient stupidity.-Edward Abbey
I find that I can make decent copies of CD's if they can't be read in my CDROM by just taking the OPTICAL out on my stereo, and plugging it into the OPTICAL in on the front of my box (SB Live! breakout box). Its not pristine but good enough for playback on mp3 player or a record for the CD in the car.
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aphex
I Steal Music!
I'm wondering if such CD's aren't already commonplace in some countries. This summer in Croatia I bought a US$16 CD of a local band. It cannot be played on any of my CD-ROM drives. This makes the CD practically useless for me, since this is the way i usually listen to CD's.
a soundblaster card will accept a 44kHz digital signal, but it will resample it to 48kHz internally..
in fact, if you feed it 48kHz, it will resample it to 48kHz... complete garbage...
at least its better than they're shitty A>D converter
I know that in my proceedings to backup some of my DVDs, I found that a few of them were very difficult to rip properly. They'd all get errors in the decrypted vob files or just be unable to find the "key", but yet my settop DVD player could play them fine. Thoughts?
If God gave us curiosity
Not that I care, I stopped buying music CDs about 9 months ago. Haven't even downloaded a MP3 from MP3.com since "We Must Destroy X10" was released. Hmm... might go do that now.
Get the new 3" Philips expanium when it comes out and enjoy the benefits of a smaller disc on battery life.
I haven't seen spindles of 80mm CD-R discs in stores. Where can I find these?
Will I retire or break 10K?
Michael Jackson Releases Unlistenable CD
<sarcasm>Surely not...</sarcasm>
Use your home CD Player, let it do the D/A. Send it out on analog (hopefully you have a good cd player) and into an A/D unit (like an ART DI/O, which I have, which also is a *killer* D/A box). Then from the A/D unit send it on digital to your sound card (I have an Audiophile 24/96 that does it).
Copy Protection my @$$!
Strange... It was my understanding that singles were only sold as promotion to albums, and as such didn't make profits (In fact, it has been reported [many times] that the labels buy up their own singles to boost sales and help ensure a high chart position on entry).
;)
If singles are only sold for promotion, not profits, then why do they bother? Surely it is just good for them to get the exposure and pretty much release it for free (Or maybe the cost of distribution
Doing this to an album that costs £13.99 (About $20) would make a lot more sense to me.
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Mike
-- Mike
There purportedly is a young boy who can identify the 'distinctive' CD 'by sight'.
I may be the only one, but somehow I doubt it. My Panasonic portable CD player has a "line out" jack. My Sound Blaster Live has a "line in" jack. My recording program allows recording of high quality WAVs from the "line in" jack. My ogg vorbis encoder likes High Quality WAVs.
Um?
Nova
So, go buy a copy, and return it claiming that it doesn't work in your computer player. Seriously, if the returns aren't high enough, they'll keep selling this crappy format.
There is no longer anything that can be done with computers that is nontrivial and clearly legal. -- Paul Phillips
Just checkin'. When I check out Bear Share, I find dozens of listings for a (listed as) new single called, "You Rock My World". Is this the same song as the one mentioned in the article? Which is the correct title? I'm quite used to songs being uploaded by file-sharers having the wrong title, artist, etc. I'm not a big Jocko (bringin' the nick back from the 80's hole it fell into) fan, just wanted to see if this was the one that was supposedly copy-proof. I laugh in advance of being told that it is.
ubi dubium ibi libertas.
The CD's still play in a normal cd player right? So someone can take the headphone out and split it to a right and left signal and record it into a nice soundcard to an mp3. There are still ways to make an mp3 of music without having to have the cd in the cd drive. Just food for thought.
If you object to the content protection used, dont buy it. Dont request it on the radio. Dont listen to it if someone offers to play it for you. Dont bother to make an mp3, don't download the mp3. If they want to keep their music encrypted and secret, let them - ignore it, make it non-existent.
And don't stand idly by if they bombard you with their unwanted encrypted music either. If you're unwillingly exposed, how about documenting the evidence as a recording and suing them, then placing it into the court record.
For those who use push this content protection on us, their morality is dictated by their wallet. Harm their profits and watch how quickly the encryption disappears.
IEEEeh?
After reading this article I fired up KaZaA media desktop and downloaded the song. Not because I really wanted to hear the song. I downloaded it for the simple pleasure of having a copy of something they tried so hard to "impossible" to copy. Just so I could snicker at their efforts.
---- "Excuse me. Where's the children's gun section?"
I was wondering why the companies that make MP3 Players, high end stereo systems, and computer CD-ROMs step up and sue the RIAA?
Companies like SonicBlue and other makers of high end audio equipment will now have to deal with angry customers who can't listen to Micheal Jackson (Well, bad example, but future releases, maybe) on thier MP3 players while they jog or in their car on the drive to work. Once the copy protection becomes widespread to popular music that people actually want to listen to on their MP3 players, they won't be able to rip and encode the CDs on their own. (We will, but we're all nerdy bitches and there are many more 'regular' peolpe than us.)
You'll be left with a company selling devices that people can't use, even though MP3ing something you bought for your MP3 player is fair use. And don't reply saying something lame like "Well, you'll be able to download from the CD Label's site once you prove ownership." That' a hassle that most won't want to go through, and doesn't even apply if the problem is with your $4000 car stereo (like the Auto-PC by Clarion). And most won't want to bother hooking up analog cables to their computer to encode into MP3.
People will stop buying the hardware, and these companies will lose money because of the RIAA. Why aren't they taking them to court?
While what you are saying is true in theory, in practice no one ever has a stereo with cables longer than 100 or 200 feet. At those lengths and at audio frequencies the parasitic capacitance/impedance is too low to be worth compensating for.
Well, perhaps I'm under-estimating human stupidity, and someone out there really does have his stereo a few miles away from their CD player. In that case, well, yeah, you just might want to consult an EE. Probably it would be a good idea to "call-b4-u-dig" and get a landscaper while you're at it (or ask permission to use the hydro poles)...
Did they make this cd uncopyable? Yes and no. They made it uncopyable for the typical 13 year old with a cd burner and software and 600 mp3 cds.
... its easy... you take the line out on your sound card and jack it into the aux or line in on your favorite tape recorder... and you can tape the songs. Of course, modern day people are too busy or lazy to try this approach... but whats from stopping me from obtaining that micheal jackson cd (which I probably never would anyhow), hooking the line out from my cdplayer into my line in on my sound card and making the mp3? Umm yea, I know this isn't the easy lazy way to do it, but if someone really wanted to they could. So, therefor, as long as the cd creates some kind of sound that remotely resembles music (I go back to my statement about never buying any MJ cds anyhow, nor the mp3 for that matter... I think he's doing us a favor by making it "not copyable"... now if he could only work on the "not listenable" part). umm what was I saying? Oh yea, as long as cds make some kind of sound, you can make an mp3 out of it. Those who replaced thier common sense and are not lazy would know this.
When I first started doing mp3s... I didn't have a cd burner. In fact, we didn't rip songs from cd... quite the opposite. We got the songs online, and put them on cassette tapes. How? Well
I wonder how long before MP3s of this song exist despite the copy protection.
Er, you *do* know that the single was released on the Net several weeks ago in various formats and
immediately appeared on Gnutella, etc., right?
> These measures only hurt legitimate customers
they don't just hurt them, they discourage them.
Anybody who ever plays music on their computer(mp3 or cd) will just be thinking "Gosh, I dunno whats happening to these new cds, but why should I buy something that might not work? Oh whatever, I'll just download the mp3 cause its not worth the trouble"
The more protected media formats, the more frustrated customers who simply give up on buying anything. Why do they keep digging themselves into a deeper and deeper grave?
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-Paul Komarek
Michael_Jackson-You_Rock_My_World(Cd_Single)-2001- RNS
as far as piracy goes, the release history goes something like this:
01-08-07 Michael Jackson - You Rock My World (CD PROMO) - 2001-wAx
01-09-08 Michael Jackson - You Rock My World (MC Prod Edit) - CD - 2001-WAX
01-09-19 Michael Jackson - You Rock My World - Remixes - Whitelabel - Vinyl - 2001-BPM_HOUSE
01-08-28 Michael Jackson - You Rock My World(Cd Single) - 2001-RNS
the RNS release nfo says:
TEAM RNS PRESENTS
ARTIST: Michael Jackson
TITLE: You Rock My World(Cd Single)
LABEL: Epic
RIPPER: POP KING
0kbps - Pop
0hr 10min total - 13MB
RELEASE DATE: 10/00/2001
RIP DATE: 08/27/2001
- TRACK LISTING -
01 0:32 You Rock My World(Intro Only)
02 5:10 You Rock My World(Album Version)
03 4:26 You Rock My World(Radio Edit)
- RELEASE NOTES -
Another HOT Release from RNS!
Well now isnt this just grand. RNS and the King of Pop, Umm
I mean the Pop King hit you off with the real Cd Single. Not
Some promo that was a satalite feed labeled as a promo cd
which was streamed to radio stations on friday. The Song is
actually labeled "You Rock My World" that is how I know that
the other shit was fake.
...had talent.
He also had credibility.
It's entirely possible he had Macaulay Culkin too.
...by hitting it with a hammer.
It's easy to make a CD that doesn't conform to the Red Book standard:
1. Remove CD from case.
2. Open microwave oven.
3. Insert CD into microwave.
4. Start microwave.
Now the cannot be played in a CDROM. Admittedly, NO CD player can read it, but at least it's easy!
I knew of a girl who was raped when she was six years old.
If you can not sympathise with that kind of pain, then you are not human.
The real problem comes in when we have a watermarked CD/music content. Watermarked content is much more copy protected than pure encrypted content, as it cannot be removed that easily.
"Do something man. Right now."
How does this system affect CD-ROM drives that have a play button? Do they just work in the same way as a hifi cd player? In which case I can just play the CD with the front panel button and record via the SP/DIF connection to my sound card - instant digital copies. Not that I would ever listen to Michael Jackson.
Steve.
A latent existence
It's not just uncopyable... It's unbuyable. The copy protection just adds to the read protection.
Somebody needs to write a "CD Tester" Application that tests CDs for Red Book compliance. The program would simply try to read the entire CD and report all errors from the CD player. At the end, it would produce a message to the effect that the CD was defective if there were any errors.
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Nobody with the least bit of musical taste has cared what Michael Jackson has done for twenty years now...
This has already been ripped (probably with line-in and a CD player). Found and DLed the mp3 just to see if it was already ripped.
.sig's
Doesn't matter much anyway, considering the "king of pop" hasn't been popular for over 10 years.
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well that is pretty fucking disgusting isnt it
I have the same problem with my Stoosh cd of Skunk Anansie. It's not in all cd-players that it won't play, but i've tried it in several cd-players... with the same result.
:))
Strange way to force you to get mp3 from the interner.
There is always the D->A->D method. This is the way i ysed to make mp3 in the old days. use the sound-recorder to record a wav-file. the quality will do and i have my music and with the quality my desktop-speakers i won't hear the difference between the cd and a less-quality mp3
Privacy is terrorism.
TSIS-IL-PS
(the solution is simple - install linux - problem solved)
Muahahahahahaha.
Boycott Him and anyone else that wants to distribute the music, video, this way.. Just wait until someone plays it vi a digital source _(like via a sat dish) and then copy it from there to your computer. By pass the all the electronic crap.
Actually, you're wrong about people being SOL when their C64 discs died. Most software companies at the time offered inexpensive (usually the cost of shipping/handling, and sometimes adding a nominal fee for reproduction) backup copies to anyone who sent in proof of purchase. In particular, I recall paying about $5.00 to replace my burnt-out discs of Red Storm Rising, and Microprose sent the replacement out VERY quickly.
As an even further off-topic note, Microprose would also, in those days, send out update discs free of charge. Man, they used to be a good company.
Everyone is posting about how to circumvent this copy protection to make mp3s. Forget mp3s. The music companies can never stop copyright infringement just by halting digital copying. If I can't make a digital copy, I'll just go back to what I did in college (yes, it was that long ago, in technology terms): copying cd to cassette tape. I have boxes full of tapes that I made of friends' cds. My friends have boxes full of tapes they made from me. Walkmen are ridculously cheap now. Car radios with cassette players are also cheap. And honestly, I cannot tell the difference between a high-quality cassette copy (using dolby-b, metal tape--features available on any but the absolute cheapest cassette deck even before mp3s took off) and an 128kbps mp3. Frankly, the only thing mp3 technology has done is increased the convenience of portable music, but I'd glady go back to my trusty tapes and walkman. The thing that puzzles me the most is how the music companies got up in arms about mp3s when making tape copies was always just as easy.
Sir, you are barking up the wrong tree. Metropolis Records sells for less than CD store prices, online (at http://www.industrial-music.com/)
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Nowhere in the constitution is government given the right to regulate what chemicals enter my body.