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Re:Lack of imagination?
Orson Scott Card is Mormon, and the LDS church was the biggest sponsor of Proposition 8 to outlaw gay marriage. He's written a few columns in the Mormon Times, and an exact quote from one is: '"Gay marriage" is not bad because God forbids it. God forbids it because it is harmful for us, as a society and as individuals.'
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Re:Hey, remember when Ender's Game was good?
http://mormontimes.com/mormon_voices/orson_scott_card/?id=1586
"Regardless of law, marriage has only one definition, and any government that attempts to change it is my mortal enemy."
mortal
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1. subject to death;Perhaps ambiguous as to violence, but he clearly wants to overthrow the government rather than see gays have equal rights.
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Re:Nope, sorry
outright lies about Card's beliefs [...] violently overthrow the government,
It seems that Card does believe that. That's how I interpret this, anyhow:
Regardless of law, marriage has only one definition, and any government that attempts to change it is my mortal enemy. I will act to destroy that government and bring it down
He's certainly advocating overthrow of the government over this. I guess, to be fair, he could be talking about destroying his mortal enemy through the playing of patty-cake. But picking a "mortal enemy" means that you'll fight them until one of you is in a coffin. That sounds pretty violent to me.
Now that I think about it, though, he could just be planning to bore them to death. That would explain his recent published output, for sure.
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Re:Nope, sorry
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Re:Nope, sorry
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Re:Nope, sorry
The article talks about a "series" of articles by Card. The one with the "mortal enemy" quote is to be found here, on the Mormon Times' website..
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Re:Nope, sorry
The first citation is from a different article than the link: http://mormontimes.com/mormon_voices/orson_scott_card/?id=3237
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Re:Violent Overthrow?
Please see the correct article where that quote originated from. Sorry.
And I respect that a majority of people in California and Arizona voted as they did. That's not the issue here.
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Re:Nope, sorry
The article is here:
http://mormontimes.com/mormon_voices/orson_scott_card/?id=3237
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Re:Nope, sorry
Yes, sure. Here is the original article, with the correct quote. I apologize for linking to the Examiner article to begin with, which confusingly links to one thing and quotes another.
Scott Card essentially argues that if we let gay people get married, that will somehow cause a great disturbance among heterosexual married couples (50% of which get divorced anyway), I assume (and he doesn't say), their marriage certificates will suddenly vanish in smoke to Satan's hoarse laughter playing in the background. He then goes on to warn that he will fight to overthrow the government that appoints judges that support gay marriage. You know, in general, gays are subhuman slaves to unnatural lust and should not be allowed the same social privileges as we "normal" heteros.
And just for clarity here, which seems to be sadly lacking in these arguments, gays don't want to walk down the isle dressed in white and be blessed by a priest. What they want is for their partners to be able to receive health benefits, hold joint investment accounts, and be allowed to generally act as what a "spouse" is, from a legal point of view. That's all they want. Nothing more.
You were saying something about prejudice?
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Re:Nope, sorry
Note that the original link I included to the Examiner article itself links to one Scott Card article (mirrored in his website) and quotes another one, published in the Mormon Times. The second one contains the attributed quote in the Examiner. I apologize for that, I originally read the Mormon Times one but I for some reason the link I had bookmarked was to the Examiner article.
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Re:Nope, sorry
Ah, yes. That quotes the wrong article, which appeared in the Mormon Times, not in the Rhino Times.
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Truth is he wrote it
Not in the article in 'Civilization Watch', but in his blog for the Mormon Times.
Link is http://mormontimes.com/mormon_voices/orson_scott_card/?id=3237
Personally, bigotry like this isn't enough, in itself, for me to reject a writer. But, it would certainly color my view of what he writes - any lessons or morals expounded in the book would have to be put to extra scrutiny in light of the moral defect of the writer (to put it plainly).
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Does intolerance count?I've enjoyed his work before, but I'm shocked by his intolerant and fearful views about gay marriage. His ideas are weirdly inline with the Taliban
... let's have the government kick everyone's ass to enforce the view of one religion. As opposed to the best aspects of the American tradition centered tolerance and individual liberty. It's so so shockingly bad, I encourage everyone to re-consider buying or supporting anything he touches, but judge for yourself... http://mormontimes.com/mormon_voices/orson_scott_card/?id=3237How long before married people answer the dictators thus: Regardless of law, marriage has only one definition, and any government that attempts to change it is my mortal enemy. I will act to destroy that government and bring it down, so it can be replaced with a government that will respect and support marriage, and help me raise my children in a society where they will expect to marry in their turn.