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Well, SCO Merge should still be free, although it probably has some licensing restrictions. I'd still like to get that working under Linux...

I'd heard of Win4Lin, but I had forgotten, because when I went there, they had nothing I could test or download; I guess I'll have to try it now. :)

If it doesn't support NT, then it can't really be emulating everything. Sounds like what DOSEmu should be doing by now. Ah well, maybe they'll catch up, or someone will merge it with Bochs to emulate the protected-mode stuff...
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I never even tried to make a comparison with UnixWare; as I said, all I ever saw was a very old box running SCO UNIX, and I've heard reports that it's pretty funky.

Linux isn't perfect, and that was a very good link BTW, but if you read the whole link, all of the major points mentioned should be fixed in 2.4; I don't know if all of them will be, but I think most of them are...

I agree with you about NFS, though; although it works fine here, I've heard it isn't perfect, and it could always use to be faster. Maybe we'll see some alternatives in the near future, though. (Coda; Linux NOW?)

I see nothing wrong with separate distros; treat them as separate UNIX flavors, and use your favorite. Portability is a good thing, anyhow. In reality they're much closer than that, though.
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You can take my freedom,
You can take my mp3's,
but just don't take my mod files!

mp3's I can take or leave, but DemoStyle is forever, baby! Let's hear it for k-k00l MODs, S3Ms, and XMs!

(I don't know what I'd do without k_sitawe, or kngdmsky/94956...)

All Napster ever has is what everyone else already has; who wants that? Download a mod archive, and see what happens when real musicians and hackers compete for this stuff, not what the radio stations and the record companies try to shove down your throat!
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The only SCO box I've ever seen was ancient, but from all reports, it's an old, crufty UNIX that needed to die.

That having been said, whoever owns SCO can port SCO Merge to Linux, and there will be much rejoicing!

(anyone get this to work? Grab it while you can, AFAICT, SCO Merge is a relatively free alternative to VMWare if you can install it; the archive is some old-style cpio archive they use for packaging, and the layout was funky enough that I didn't want to uncompress it in / on my machine; the binaries should run fine with iBCS, but it might need some SCO system-specific stuff as well, I don't know...)

But yes, SCO UNIX has nothing on Linux, but some of their applications might still be worth porting, even if all the binaries should run on Linux anyhow. :)
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Boring repetitive anonymous troll...

Go code Lazarus in XLib and hack in Win32 compatibility after you implement font support.

Luser!
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I'll have to try it out again...

The first language I really learned how to code in was Turbo Pascal, somewhere between 5.5-7.0; I probably spent three years in high school just playing around with it, and I'll eventually work some more on BGI/SVGALib(/SDL?) portability. :)

(BASIC doesn't really count, since they didn't give me *real* subroutines for so long, and was interpreted or produced really crappy executables...)

My experience with FreePascal (or fpk-pascal) before was, although it often offers better compatibility than p2c, I'd still rather use gcc as a back-end. I never got dynamic libraries working, and I had problems porting some of my code due to apparent bugs in writeln(), (hopefully their fault, and fixed by now) and busy-wait loops (surely my fault, from programming for DOS--processes? What are those?).

Also, I wasn't too impressed with the optimizations FreePascal does, but I suppose if I give it some time, it'll get better. It does some simple things really quickly, but I saw at least a 33% speed-up not too long ago in some tightly-nested code I was hacking on just by using p2c+gcc instead....

However, for people still looking for a free Pascal language for DOS, FreePascal is a god-send, and the Linux portability can't hurt. :)
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Thanks for providing another link to the Ed rant; I love that thing. :)

Actually, I tend to find myself using either sed or cat, but each to his own. (I much prefer it to doing everything with dd+sh...)

Well, most of what I run is, yes, xterms, Netscape, and usually mpg123 for mp3's; but PDF files just suck*, and I can see how file associations would be useful there. I gave up on them under GNOME after I tried to make one for a program that *really* wanted a terminal, even though all it really did was spawn an X-window.

(I actually had it load itself in an xterm, but what's the point? It's like that DOS window that Windows spawns and then forgets to close at the end...)

* How do we know PDFs suck? Because they look really crappy in Ed. Maybe if they weren't usually compressed... I mean, really, what was so wrong with gzipped PostScript that Adobe, in their infinite wisdom, had to mangle it and call it PDF and sell it back to us? Hmm? Ooo, they tried to stick something like HTML into it, too. Ugh.
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Definitely. I wasn't trying to adopt a complete "All Closed Source Is Bad" argument there, but I was probably overgeneralizing. I guess I should move to a more clear "Open Source Whenever It Makes Sense" argument. :)

You're doing better than I am, as I haven't released a whole lot of code for anything; but then, I haven't written anything that's absolutely indispensable yet. I'd still like to code more SVGALib and BGI support on top of SDL (at the moment, I've coded some basic BGI support on top of SVGALib, and I'm not too impressed with GGI yet), and I've got a couple of other ideas, but I don't know if they'll ever happen.

My most ambitious project would be a totally configurable widget set that implements the calls for the widgets it can look like as well; but that would be a mess, and then I'd have to actually *learn* X programming. :)
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What's this KDE is the standard I hear? Ed, ED, *ED* is the standard! Heck, whatever happened to twm? What's so hard about moving your windows around, people, that you need all this extra garbage? :)

I thought KDE looked pretty cool, but it still annoyed me too much to actually use it; it was also too slow. The same goes for GNOME. I use fvwm2, with no pager or buttons or any of that, and I select my virtual desktops with CTRL+. There's nothing hard about that. I don't want anything else, so configuration is all done, too. I like sawmill, (sawtooth? sawfish? whatever...) but not enough to use it yet; I'm pretty comfortable with what I have.

When I get my new machine, and reinstall everything, I'm sure I'll play around again with GNOME and KDE, and try them out with "sawfish", and Enlightenment and whatnot, and see if they're actually speedy or stable yet...

...but it'll probably be too much of a hassle to get rid of all that extra GUI crap and make it into a lean, mean, window-managing machine, and I'll be back to using fvwm2.

Heck, most of the time, I could just tell X to run an app fullscreen on a console, and keep doing that, and switch between those and the text consoles; but sometimes, I still want to have some more windows.
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Quite right, although shareware suffers more from this than actual commercial software.

I'll agree with you about The Gimp filling a niche, and maybe X-Windows, but...

What is Emacs' niche? Is it its own niche? If I wanted a real LISP interpreter/compiler, I wouldn't use Emacs; I don't use it for an editor either--it doesn't dominate either of those niches. But perhaps if you want it all together, you want... Emacs? Hmm.

X-Windows dominates because it is a standard; I think it was made open to ensure this, too. Once a program, file format, whatever--open or closed--becomes standard and widely in use, it dominates. Of course, if it's closed, expect to see some re-implementations. Also, there are many commercial and free X-servers, and now there are alternatives that do the same sort of thing for Windows. So in this case, "X-Windows" isn't really one app, although XFree86 is pretty standard on Linux...

The Gimp is excellent, and its rival would be PhotoShop. So if you don't have the money to fork over, like The Gimp better, and are running UNIX or Windows, by all means, use The Gimp. PhotoShop is out for Windows and MacOS; the UNIX version was discontinued around 3.x, I believe, but I know that the Windows version (at least 3.0) runs very quickly under Wine. Also, we're starting to see more quality, free photo-manipulation programs for Linux, but I doubt any of them will replace The Gimp anytime soon...

But yes, my broad generalizations can often be refuted to differing degrees on a case-by-case basis. That doesn't mean there isn't any truth there, though, just that it isn't absolute. :)
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Yes, it makes you a naughty, naughty, bad, boy; no supper for you. Also, I searched on the net for instructions on how to grow a money tree, but they just told me to click on the links, and never showed me how... :)

But seriously, of course you shouldn't release your proprietary code. Whatever it is that makes your commercial product unique and marketable, keep it under wraps, unless your company can find another business model that works for them, and allows them to release the code. This is difficult, and won't work for many companies; heck, many of them probably can't see why they'd want to think about this in the first place, and sometimes they're right. It certainly isn't easy, and it won't make you instantly wealthy, like the money tree instructions on the internet promise to...

However, not all code is proprietary. In fact, most of it is downright dull. If you've written any libraries that are particularly good, but at the same time not a 'trade secret', you might want to release them under the LGPL, or under a BSD-style license. Ditto for any helper programs (that's why VNC was developed).

Therefore, Open Source!=Broke, and even a company that makes its living on proprietary software can still release or contribute to Open Source software as well. Apple, AT&T, Corel, (AOL/)Netscape, Sun, and many other companies have all tried this at varying levels and degrees of success.

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Christ; not another moronic Sig11 clone.

Couldn't you call yourself something original, like "Signal 9"?

Or just do us all a favor, and go SIGKILL yourself.

Someone, moderate this guy into oblivion, spam him, and then track him down, and subscribe him to Columbia house and BMG; I'm sick of these poeople stealing user info and thinking they're clever by maligning the reputation of the posters that the trolls still couldn't hate more if they tried.
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Man, I've been looking forward to this--and the D&D movie, and the Final Fantasy movie... All the gamers with decent taste finally grew up and became movie makers! Yay!

Hey, who else here loved the 6-player arcade game? I know that at least the 4-player version runs on MAME... Now if only D&D--Tower of Doom and whatnot would...

I still have that X-men arcade music going through my head... "Nightcrawler..." "ee-eeee-X-men, ee-eeee-X, ee-eeee-X-men..." "Get 'em, get 'em!"

Sorry; damn, that's catchy!
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Closed software is good because it gives us an excuse to reinvent the wheel and make better open software?

No, we do that to ourselves... Closed software is still bad, and if the world was Open Source, we'd *still* have 18 zillion versions of everything. Consider:

How many open programs are named 'ya*' or '?in?', for "Yet Another ---", or "?-- Is Not ?--"?

In the meantime, how many closed-source programs dominate the field for their type of application? (MS-Office; Windows; Photoshop; Quicken) Even if there are closed *or* open alternatives, people generally don't use them because of the stifling effects of closed software.

Even if Outlook and Eudora didn't exist, I guarantee you we'd still have mail, elm, pine, mutt.... etc., etc., ad infinitum. One program *or* one license is never enough for everybody in the Open Source world, and most people are just coding for themselves.

However, a commercial program like Outlook that is designed for the masses *does* give us something to shoot for; it's an example of "programming for the masses", which is what a program needs for more people to use it. So the Open Source e-mail clients of the future should be better for it.

BUT--this does not mean that if Microsoft opened the source for Outlook, that this would be worse--it would be better. Then we could examine it, pick it apart, and hack up a new e-mail client faster, fix some bugs, and avoid some mistakes. So open source licenses are still better, and closed programs provide an example, but they certainly don't help us by being closed, AND they aren't the reason why there are so many Open Source app/clones out there--that's just because everyone has their own itch to scratch.
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What do you mean, "voting in your pajamas is unsafe"?

I mean, are you saying that when you vote, you shouldn't wear pajamas? 'cause if I tried that, I think they'd kick me out of the polls! You need to wear *at least* pajamas to go anywhere in the US--it really isn't fair.

...or do you mean that if you only vote *in* your pajamas, then that isn't safe? Well, I don't see how you'd tally the votes, or even what you're calling *voting*, you sickos.

In conclusion, I must say that when I vote, I am often in my pajamas--if by voting you mean "Slashdot polls". And I haven't gotten injured yet, except when my mouse hand starts to hurt. (Yes, I mean my *mouse* hand! You sickos!!!)
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Before you spout about how much RedHat is charging, look at what the other companies charge.

MySQL provides increasing levels of support depending on how much money you give them; pay them enough, and you can get just about anything hacked into MySQL, and have a developer fly out to meet you.

Remember that old saying, "Everyone has their price"? Well, that's true for a lot of software projects, too. At least Red Hat is just offering support here, but I'm sure they get a lot of money and spend a lot of effort supporting companies like Dell or IBM or whatnot...

Actually, if it weren't for the ethics of it all, I wouldn't be surprised if a big company like Microsoft tried to buy up a lot of our developers; (so they could try to "innovate" for once) I seem to remember Alan Cox saying that he rejected a few offers from them. :)
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Off the top of my head...

1) No, I don't think Coda is the next version of NFS; but I do think they want to replace it.

2) Coda is a network filesystem; also, what Ian was proposing in NOW sounded like one too.

3) Yeah, I really want to try out ReiserFS. I think I will when I can spring for a new computer, possibly including a couple of new hard drives--then I can really try out Software RAID, too! :)
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If you want to get music out of the NES, I know there is a plugin for winamp which works nicely for nsf files, which are just the sound samples ripped from the rom. Here it is. Something like this for arcade games, now... that would be sweeeeeet (doing poor cartman impression)

Could you tell us about this "Linux NOW" project you guys are working on now?

Will the filesystem be based on Coda, or are you writing something completely new?

How does the distributed architecture compare with what is currently available?

Will it offer distributed computing, or just centralized administration?

It's great to hear that this will be released back to the community; I'm sure this will be released long before Microsoft makes any real headway on their "Millenium" project. :)
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I'm not talking about a performance rating, or a number on a box; I'm talking about taking it into consideration when you make a comparison.

I made some other comments on this same topic as well. However, I believe my point was "RDRAM is too expensive *and* it doesn't offer a real performance boost, for general-purpose memory". Do you see why price/performance would be an important metric here? (or even some consideration or mention of price?)

Also, benchmarks are fundamentally flawed in the first place. Depending on how they are conducted, and the *exact* components, software and hardware, for the entire system, plus configuration tweeks, the result can vary by a huge amount! So I wouldn't argue that performance doesn't change. The system I buy won't be anything like the one they benchmarked; I might not be using the same chipset, operating system, or bus, let alone tweeked settings in my nonexistent "Windows Registry". So performance can be just as artificial as price.

Your other point about letting the reader compare for themselves is valid, but I wasn't intending to advocate eliminating performance metrics entirely; I just wanted to see someone mention how *#@$ expensive RDRAM is now, and how useless it is to buy it for performance as system RAM. Also, any decent benchmark should have full disclosure as to how the performance numbers were achieved, and all the information possible about the testbed, so that people can recreate the results, or change another parameter and compare to those results. In a perfect world, that is...
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Okay, I'll buy that. Some people will always want maximum performance, and benchmarks are always going to be slanted towards a certain group, or excluding another group.

However, in this case it doesn't matter until RDRAM gets cheaper, or it gets a killer app that works massively better with it. I think it could make a pretty good long-term, frequently accessed data cache; maybe something like a BIOS shadow?
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Okay, let me make this a little more clear:

Benchmark:
RDRAM vs. SDRAM
General Purpose RAM as a memory system for a PC
Rated on Price/Performance and Performance.

Since RDRAM, if anything, tends to be slower, *and* it is massively more expensive, it loses.

Any other uses for it are just that--other uses. i.e. not what I would be benchmarking, and not what I was talking about.

Also, I'm going to buy a new computer, and I'm going to get an Athlon with PC133 SDRAM, both for cost and for performance. If you could find me an equivalently priced and performing Pentium III with RDRAM, I'd buy it. Do you see the relevance of this metric now? If their performance was *significantly* better for the general tasks I'd perform, then we could change the weights on Price/Performance. Until then, it's a sucker bet.
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Test them on price/performance instead of performance; for general-purpose memory, I see no compelling reason to use RDRAM except to say that you're using it. (As in, "Wow, RDRAM, that's new, isn't it? I bet that set you back quite a bit...")

Now, for some special-purpose applications, RDRAM might be an excellent choice, just like in some circumstances, a P-III might work out better than an Athlon, or an 8086 might be the better choice than a G4, or a hammer might work better than a screwdriver. But for general purpose, plain old RAM, RDRAM is underwhelming.

...now watch the price of RAMBUS drop. I can hear the screams from here. :)
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Hmm. That's an interesting argument, but it's tricky stuff once you bring intent and assumptions into the picture. I like bricks much better. :)

Basically, as long as the artists *wants* to get paid, then it's immoral to listen to their music without reimbursing them. But if it's their hobby, or they have enough money, then it's okay to take it all and play it all the time.

I guess the artist would want to slap some sort of license controlling distribution or terms of use, instead. Maybe a shareware license would be appropriate? ("Listen to this music for up to 30 days; if you like it, send me money!")
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Actually, considering what we do know about Echelon and whatnot (it gets posted on slashdot enough, that is), I think that was sarcasm.

At least, I hope that was sarcasm...

Anyhow, I'll just go home and watch Big Brother, content in the fact that no one is watching me..... Is that a two-way mirror?
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All I can say is, better to let Linux have The One Ring than Apple. :)
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Huh? That's not a shell, it's a scripting language with a 'Play' button.

That's like if I told you that the "Command Prompt" interface for Windows was accessible by opening Word, choosing Record Macro, scripting some actions, pressing play...

If you want to actually have a directory tree and some rudimentary shell commands on a Mac, you have to find a third-party shell application. And they generally suck, because the Mac "naming conventions" and whatnot are not shell-friendly.
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Stealing is when
(a) I take something
(b) It wasn't mine
(c) You don't have it anymore

(c) Is false; it isn't stealing; make up a new word.

If you don't want people to be able to *copy* music, either don't give anyone a copy, or make sure there's no way they can copy it. This doesn't seem viable, because music exists to be played, and if you can play it, it shouldn't be too hard to copy it.

Therefore, try selling bricks instead. And don't expect to have any "intellectual property rights" to them, either. If someone copies your brick, tough; they made it themselves. It just so happens that copying digital music is far, far easier.
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What a stupid piece of FUD.

The author claims that Open Source projects get their stability from their minimalism--and constantly uses Perl as an example of what is wrong with Open Source projects.

In the meantime, the Mac has to be the most minimal, sparse, stupid, unusable machine. It can be as friendly as a frickin' perky Walmart greeter--that doesn't help you when the only buttons you have to choose from are "Ok" and "Less Options"!

I mean, really, the Mac only has one (annoying!) widget toolkit, it doesn't know what a "console" is; if you want a shell, you have to get some third-party GUI app! And if something goes wrong... uh-oh, it's a cute little bomb, and you didn't restart your mac properly, did you? Silly user, it's all your fault.

Now I admit, a lot has probably changed on the Mac in the few years since I've been avoiding it, but I'm sure that whatever the Mac people come up with next, it will annoy me just as much; except possibly MacOS X. Since they were doomed to reinvent UNIX anyhow, at least they cribbed some notes.

Now, the other side. The strengths and weaknesses of Perl are that it tries to be all things to all people. Perl can be programmed in many different styles, and none of them are "right", because TMTOWTDI. You can program it in an object-oriented, C++ looking fashion, you can make it look like C, or shell script, or even in Scheme if you squint at it a bit. (car, cdr and cons are trivial to impelement; always use references to get closures; always use references and closures to implement functions...) It has native support for the C libraries, native implementations of many handy shell commands, and an enormous number of add-ons.

So does it have a consistent, clean syntax? Well, yeah, if you're used to C, shell, C++, Scheme, and Java. Rather, say that it has a rich history, and it isn't designed for minimalists. However, if they use a little self-discipline, I'm sure that Mac people could write their Perl just like C, or maybe Pascal, with a few little hacks. They wouldn't get the power of Perl, but they can feel superior in their artificially clean syntax.

I don't really see the point to it, though; it all compiles to the same code at the end, and you should be able to write it however you want. Why should a company force you to do it just one way if you don't want to? You are the customer, after all. Could there perhaps be a big button on the Mac that says "More Options", or even better, "Don't treat me like a frickin' moron"? I'd rather write my own code than make my living selling condescension.
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That cheesy rap?

That crappy music?

"Under Fifty Bucks /
That's a special low price"?

God no, tell me that wasn't what you meant; I've been trying to *forget* that for YEARS!
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I had the same experience; I learned nothing about computers from my teachers, and I taught myself everything that was important, by trial and error, or from books. I think you had a pretty typical experience.

However, I am still forever indebted to my old elementary school for introducing me to computers. I don't know if I would have known what one was in my previous school system.

So, we all know that the average K-12 school teacher is incompetent to teach us about computers, *and* that elementary-level computers probably shouldn't be on the internet, (at the least just to avoid the public outcry about it) but that doesn't reflect on the computers, just the educational establishment. Heck, let kids use the computers for half of their play session. If they want to. That's the key.
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Testimonial time:

If it wasn't for that Apple ][ I saw in 3rd grade, I might never have gotten my C64 or my PC's, or learned to program, or majored in computer science...

I have no idea what I'd be doing if I hadn't become a programmer. Math? Bleh.

So tell me: what could possibly be bad about introducing computers to kids? If they don't like them, they don't have to use them, but I have a feeling they will all have to know what they are, and most of them will have to know how to use one...

The only possible cool slogan I could think up for such uneducated luddites would be "Fight the Future!"
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This is fun! Everybody, repeat after me!

The right hand knows not what the left hand is doing.

IBM isn't a `lateral monopoly'; they do have a lot of vertical integration, but for a lateral monopoly, you'd have a better case aruing, say, AOL.
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Topic: Transmeta
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Joe Q. IBM: Market competition... Intel... long term IIS strategies... SCSI RDMS domination...

Joe Q. PowerUser: Where's my dual processor Athlon? I want it *YESTERDAY*!

Joe Q. LaptopUser: What's a Transmeta? It'll never replace my Powerbook!

Joe Q. Slashdot: I want one! What is it again? I bet it's slow and vaporware, whatever it is. Intel? Yuk.

Joe Q. NASA: Cheap, low-power consumption, new and funky technology... I bet we could build a Beowulf out of these things...

Alan Cox: What are we going to do today, Linus?

Linus Torvalds: The same thing we do every day, Alan: try to take over the WORLD!
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Yay! My C64 ruled over the inferior "IBM PC Jr."!

(actually, I'm just happy I got a Nintendo recently; I never should have sold mine anyhow... Anyone ever write a cart to run C64 stuff on the Nintendo? ;)
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I'll eventually try it out; all I remember is that the older version was a pale shadow of Photoshop 3...

If Gimp isn't a tool for artists, who is it for? I agree that it isn't very intuitive for an artist, but it isn't a pencil, either. It's also at least as intuitive (IMO) as Photoshop, and I see a lot of artists using that to create drawings ("but is it art?") lately, for important stuff. Some of that might have merit.

I'll agree with you that there are some poorly-coded Gtk applications, but Gimp is not one of them. The Gimp is the proof-of-concept app that shows you can write excellent gtk applications. In my experience, qt apps don't tend to flicker as much (as poorly coded gtk apps) but also have a heavy footprint. I like fltk, but a lot of people would find it primitive, or even ugly. Also, gtk is incredibly flexible in its user interface. It isn't commercial, but I wouldn't call it unprofessional.

The best "art" program I ever saw was Fractal Image Painter. It was for the Mac, it had an interface just like all other graphical programs, and it had a scripting language. It was also intuitive, powerful, and incredibly easy to use. In fact, it could do anything except draw a straight line, it seemed. :)

I'd love to see The Gimp incorporate some of their tools, but I think there are some patent / copyright issues...
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There's no other price they could offer it where I'd take it over The Gimp / Photoshop / just about anything.

Maybe not even free, but this way I'll at least try it eventually. :)
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These guys really are insane:

* For doing this in the first place

* For getting such an image-intensive, long site linked to Slashdot

Mirrors, anyone?
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Actually, both the Publius project and Slashdot mentioned this; I'm just surprised they didn't mention their Roman origins, as well.

Heck, I caught the public interest reference, too, but they didn't even say that. And Virgil was quite the writer.

...and even the Apache Project knows how to provide a link for those curious about the Apache people...
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Virgil was Publius Virgilius Maro.

I'm sure there were many other people named "Publius" at some point in time, but I would venture to say that he is probably the most well-known one, as well as being far older than the others you cite.

(So why didn't they use "Virgil" as their pen-names? Too obvious? Or "Publico"? Was that the image they wanted?)
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Of course they'd make a software patch for it, if possible; that's much cheaper and more convenient for them.

If that doesn't work, though, a replacement would definitely be in order. Also, I know if I paid that much for a Palm, I'd be pissed, and want any and all faulty hardware replaced.

I find it hard to blame them, though: someone else shipped them faulty components! It's a shame that this didn't show up when either company should have been testing them, but I'd still blame the original manufacturer in this case.
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Good quotes; I'll have to save them, to remind the local hate-mongering fanatics. However, they will continue to purport to "love God, but hate the sin".

I'm an Atheist, but that doesn't really matter for the purposes of this discussion. (otherwise, it wouldn't be a very fair discussion, would it? :)

Ultimately, it shouldn't be about denominations at all. If it isn't about the worth of individual people, then those people aren't being judged at all, and we should all avoid a religion that doesn't consider its people over itself. The people *are* the religion. Without them, God wouldn't have anyone around to worship him, and whatnot...

(I mean, really, how egotistical is that? Create people so they can bask in Your glory? He must have a God Complex, or... um... never mind. :)
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Hmm. So Christians use a trust model based on the Bible, and Catholics extend this trust to Tradition. ("Do you wish to believe anything you hear from St. Augustine?")

I'll stick to strong cryptography. When the PGP signature says "God" on it, I'll have to give up my Atheism. ;)
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Well, well, well. Now you've got my attention.

If Catholics aren't Christians, then who are the Christians? Name the sects, please; I'm really curious.

Also, while you're at it, are Jews Christian? I've heard that Jesus was a Jew. Or are Christians supposed to follow the example Jesus sets for the rest of us, and convert to Judaism?
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What is this contempt for scientists I've seen here lately? Of course they desire to expand human knowledge; that's their job. However, if you think that they don't consider the ethical ramifications of their actions, then you are SORELY mistaken.

The people best equipped to decide these things dedicate their lives to it. They might be scientists, but they usually aren't just religious fanatics who think they know best for everybody else. They generally have some training in ethics or bio-ethics, or know the technical and legal details involved, and the past case history as well.

I ask you, if Christians aren't backward or superstitious, then would they ever learn this knowledge in the first place, or question anything about their universe? My answer is this: Some Christians are not backward or superstitious.

In fact, I'm sure that many of the scientists you so roundly condemn who worked on this project are Christians. The odds are with me on this one. Maybe they're doing your god's will, and adding to his glory, and you don't even know it.

Instead of condemning your faith or your zealotry, I will simply quote your bretheren. "The Lord works in mysterious ways".
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Actually, I think that's what Taco and Timothy are using to post, now.

They're testing the 2-node redundancy now, working up to 16 nodes for scalable parallel comment discussions.

(Hey, anything's better than how it was yesterday, right? Even if it is the same story, over, and over...)
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Now that's some weird, wild stuff right there.

Forget the in-car mp3 player, I can stream them and waste bandwidth!

Um... what is this "tape deck" you speak of? And what do you mean I have to *pay* for local cellphone access?

...nevermind...
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Umm... Telescopes, blah blah blah...

Are they gone yet?

Okay.
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Thank you, Open Source Man!

Gee, the trolls have been really quiet lately.

So even if it's not Tuesday, it's good to be reminded that when talking about giant telescopes, shooting off into space, there's always Natalie Portman.

Incidentally, have you seen pulpphantom.com? It's way too funny for its own good. If you're a fan of any two: Pulp Fiction, Star Wars, or Natalie Portman (and I know you are), then go see it...
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