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  1. Re:Not too surprising by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1 · on There Are Now Twice As Many Solar Jobs As Coal Jobs In the US (vox.com)

    Oh please...coal mining has become too expensive and unproductive to sustain itself in any reasonable way.

    Mining it isn't quite like it used to be either. Even though it dosn't employ many people to do the work, one new way of obtaining the coal that is left is you tear off the top of a mountain, and dump the tailings in the next valley over. Aside from freaking people out with the look, it pretty much completely destroys the local ecosystem that cannot be mitigated. All in all, not something most of us want in our ex-backyard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Nookyler is a much better option than this: http://ohvec.org/high-resoluti...

  2. Re:Yess!!! by no-body · · Score: 1 · on New Evidence For Oceans of Water Deep In the Earth

    Resources exist to be consumed. And consumed they will be, if not by this generation then by some future. By what right does this forgotten future seek to deny us our birthright? None I say! Let us take what is ours, chew and eat our fill.

    CEO Nwabudike Morgan "The Ethics of Greed"

    Very old game: Mose 1,28: vchiwschuha urdu - unsustainable nowadays

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
    http://www.ohvec.org/galleries...

  3. Re:WTF?? by Jeremi · · Score: 1 · on Interconnecting Wind Farms To Smooth Power Production
    Speaking of landscape destruction... Have you ever driven the interstate through Palm Springs, CA? It is just like driving through an industrial wasteland.


    That's your opinion, of course. I think they are quite beautiful, like driving through a kinetic sculpture. But even if for the sake of argument we agree that they are ugly to some people, they are still much less ugly than, say, an oil refinery, or mountaintop removal coal mining.

  4. Re:wind turbines aren't ugly by aethera · · Score: 1 · on Floating Wind Turbines

    If you think the coal fired plants are ugly, you should see how they get the coal these days. A big hint, it's not highly paid union miners with pick axes anymore. Mountain top removal mining .

  5. Bulldoze West Virginia instead by bremstrong · · Score: 2 · on Alternative Energy Confusion

    Presently coal from places such as West Virginia is used to power New York. In West Virginia, hills are bulldozed into valleys to get at the coal, leaving a wasteland.

    New Yorkers want the benefits of the power while shouldering *none* of the costs.

    Lame.

    Example:

    http://www.ohvec.org/galleries/mountaintop_removal /007/43.html

  6. Re:Fossil Fuels... by patreek · · Score: 1 · on New Way to Make Hydrogen
    But lets leave coal bashing aside for a moment. It's a solid fuel which causes reasonably little damage in it's extraction and transport. (As opposed to burning it which is a nightmare)
    I'll argue with you about the "reasonably little damage" coal does in its extraction. Here in Kentucky (and most of Appalachia) the dominate form of coal mining is Mountaintop Removal. The name describes it pretty accurately - the coal company goes to a mountain, cuts all the timber off, dynamites the mountain, digs all the coal out with dragline cranes, and dumps all of the blasted rock into the nearby valley. This does more than a "little damage" to the surrounding area - flooding becomes common in nearby towns due to the lack of vegetation and topsoil on the mountain, the streams that form in the valleys during rainfall are covered, the soil is ruined (it will take around 500 years to return to normal) and the mountains are gone (lowered between 300-1000ft and flattened) forever. I would suggest going here, here, and here to get a better idea of what coal is like in KY. (For a sense of scale, the crane in the second picture is about 200ft tall)
    compare that to widespread sludge farms to grow your bacteria?
    Again, we've already got something much worse in KY in the form of coal slurry ponds. Billion gallon reserviors full of coal debris and mercury anyone? Did I mention they leak?(PDF)
    or wind farms destroying the skylines and slaughtering migratory birds?
    Haven't we already debunked the "bird slaughtering" stigma enough in the last few articles on windfarming? (link here (PDF) IMHO wind farms are quite beautiful.
  7. Re:Fossil Fuels... by patreek · · Score: 1 · on New Way to Make Hydrogen
    But lets leave coal bashing aside for a moment. It's a solid fuel which causes reasonably little damage in it's extraction and transport. (As opposed to burning it which is a nightmare)
    I'll argue with you about the "reasonably little damage" coal does in its extraction. Here in Kentucky (and most of Appalachia) the dominate form of coal mining is Mountaintop Removal. The name describes it pretty accurately - the coal company goes to a mountain, cuts all the timber off, dynamites the mountain, digs all the coal out with dragline cranes, and dumps all of the blasted rock into the nearby valley. This does more than a "little damage" to the surrounding area - flooding becomes common in nearby towns due to the lack of vegetation and topsoil on the mountain, the streams that form in the valleys during rainfall are covered, the soil is ruined (it will take around 500 years to return to normal) and the mountains are gone (lowered between 300-1000ft and flattened) forever. I would suggest going here, here, and here to get a better idea of what coal is like in KY. (For a sense of scale, the crane in the second picture is about 200ft tall)
    compare that to widespread sludge farms to grow your bacteria?
    Again, we've already got something much worse in KY in the form of coal slurry ponds. Billion gallon reserviors full of coal debris and mercury anyone? Did I mention they leak?(PDF)
    or wind farms destroying the skylines and slaughtering migratory birds?
    Haven't we already debunked the "bird slaughtering" stigma enough in the last few articles on windfarming? (link here (PDF) IMHO wind farms are quite beautiful.
  8. Re:Fossil Fuels... by patreek · · Score: 1 · on New Way to Make Hydrogen
    But lets leave coal bashing aside for a moment. It's a solid fuel which causes reasonably little damage in it's extraction and transport. (As opposed to burning it which is a nightmare)
    I'll argue with you about the "reasonably little damage" coal does in its extraction. Here in Kentucky (and most of Appalachia) the dominate form of coal mining is Mountaintop Removal. The name describes it pretty accurately - the coal company goes to a mountain, cuts all the timber off, dynamites the mountain, digs all the coal out with dragline cranes, and dumps all of the blasted rock into the nearby valley. This does more than a "little damage" to the surrounding area - flooding becomes common in nearby towns due to the lack of vegetation and topsoil on the mountain, the streams that form in the valleys during rainfall are covered, the soil is ruined (it will take around 500 years to return to normal) and the mountains are gone (lowered between 300-1000ft and flattened) forever. I would suggest going here, here, and here to get a better idea of what coal is like in KY. (For a sense of scale, the crane in the second picture is about 200ft tall)
    compare that to widespread sludge farms to grow your bacteria?
    Again, we've already got something much worse in KY in the form of coal slurry ponds. Billion gallon reserviors full of coal debris and mercury anyone? Did I mention they leak?(PDF)
    or wind farms destroying the skylines and slaughtering migratory birds?
    Haven't we already debunked the "bird slaughtering" stigma enough in the last few articles on windfarming? (link here (PDF) IMHO wind farms are quite beautiful.
  9. Re:Fossil Fuels... by patreek · · Score: 1 · on New Way to Make Hydrogen
    But lets leave coal bashing aside for a moment. It's a solid fuel which causes reasonably little damage in it's extraction and transport. (As opposed to burning it which is a nightmare)
    I'll argue with you about the "reasonably little damage" coal does in its extraction. Here in Kentucky (and most of Appalachia) the dominate form of coal mining is Mountaintop Removal. The name describes it pretty accurately - the coal company goes to a mountain, cuts all the timber off, dynamites the mountain, digs all the coal out with dragline cranes, and dumps all of the blasted rock into the nearby valley. This does more than a "little damage" to the surrounding area - flooding becomes common in nearby towns due to the lack of vegetation and topsoil on the mountain, the streams that form in the valleys during rainfall are covered, the soil is ruined (it will take around 500 years to return to normal) and the mountains are gone (lowered between 300-1000ft and flattened) forever. I would suggest going here, here, and here to get a better idea of what coal is like in KY. (For a sense of scale, the crane in the second picture is about 200ft tall)
    compare that to widespread sludge farms to grow your bacteria?
    Again, we've already got something much worse in KY in the form of coal slurry ponds. Billion gallon reserviors full of coal debris and mercury anyone? Did I mention they leak?(PDF)
    or wind farms destroying the skylines and slaughtering migratory birds?
    Haven't we already debunked the "bird slaughtering" stigma enough in the last few articles on windfarming? (link here (PDF) IMHO wind farms are quite beautiful.
  10. Re:Perfect corporatist viewpoint by Red+Rocket · · Score: 1 · on Gulf Stream Slowdown in Progress?

    Unfortunately, all this shows is that you are an extremist by the measures we use in society.

    Who is this self-proclaimed "we?" You act as if you and your imaginary "we" have a monopoly on the definition of extremism. That's pure totalitarian thinking -- as if your thinking is pure and therefore uniquely qualified to make this determination. I call that cultural correctness.

    Probably those around you are also extremists, so you do not have any external perspective. One of the most important lessons to learn in life is to listen to those that you disagree with - you cannot learn by listening to those that you agree with.

    You just used your teacher's voice to speak down to me and incorrectly assumed I've insulated myself from differing opinions. What's funny is that you said that to a daily Rush listener. I can listen to him all day and not shift my position an inch because I understand the linguistic jujitsu he's using. Yours is a different kind, more like Dick Cheney's "voice of reason"-type of condescension.

    Yes, and look at what that got us!

    What do you mean, "Look at what that got us???" The post-war years were the most productive in our nation's history. We became the world's technology leader, the wealthiest by far, and the world's first global hyper-power. It always amazes me how half the people of this country have been convinced that the system that created our huge success is somehow broken and needs completely plowed under in the name of corporate power. It's the greatest PR coup in history and you seem to be completely under its spell.

    Scientists make very poor policy makers...

    See what you did right there? You lectured me for not listening to what others are saying and then you completely lost the meaning of my statement about scientific panels reporting their findings to congress so that our representatives can make the policies. That was very dishonest.

    There are no people known to be in power that would trade a poisoned lake for an airplane - as soon as they are found out they are removed...
    Holy cow. You are extremely naive if you believe that. Our president, the secretary of the interior, and all the way down the policy line always side on the rights of industry over the rights of the people to a clean environment. In fact, that's what's holding up the current energy bill. DeLay wants to include immunity for gasoline refiners who polluted our groundwater with MTBE. Do you think Bush won't sign that if it gets through? Do you think they'll be removed from office for it? (DeLay might be removed but not for that.)
    You can see their handiwork in the complete obliteration of mountains, valleys, and mountain streams for coal(this is clearly illegal in at least three ways but our corporate-owned government keeps bending the rules to allow it to continue.) Chief US District Judge Charles Haden II(Nixon-appointed) chastised state and federal bureaucrats who allowed the practice to continue:

    "Agency warnings have no more effect than a wink and a nod, a deadline is just an arbitrary date on the calendar, and once passed, not to be mentioned again."
    "Financial benefits accrue to the owners and operators who were not required to incur the statutory burden and costs attendant to surface mining: political benefits accrue to the state executive and legislators who escape accountability while the mining industry gets a free pass."

    Now who's unaware of the other side of the argument, again?

    the same as with someone that wanted to eliminate technology...
    As if those people even existed. They're just straw men, invented by corporate PR firms so they'll have a bogey man to scare people like you with.

  11. Re:Ummm....No. by Red+Rocket · · Score: 1 · on Green Energy Almost Cost-Competitive with Fossil Fuels


    Here is a good site that covers the issue. Check the galleries for pictures.
    Here are pictures from the Library of Congress.

    The after pictures are highly deceiving because they look pretty and green after reclamation. In reality they are very low functioning ecosystems. No trees will grow there, only hearty grasses (seeded). The stream below has been buried and the spoil pile leaches metals like selenium and aluminum into the remaining stream.

  12. Re:Ummm....No. by welloy · · Score: 1 · on Green Energy Almost Cost-Competitive with Fossil Fuels
    Mountaintop removal is nasty stuff. Here are some images:

    Here

  13. No Trees? by Red+Rocket · · Score: 0, Offtopic · on NASA Studying Energy Shields for Spacecraft


    No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

    That is extremely and profoundly incorrect. Trees were killed. In fact, streams, valleys, and even entire mountains and watersheds were destroyed so that you could send this message. See for yourself.
    Here and Here.

  14. Re:robbIE's sucksass due to lazy-is-fair wwworld? by Red+Rocket · · Score: 1 · on Likely Success of Internet-Related Business Models?

    as for fuddles, have you knot herd? the daze of phonIE corepirate nazi softwar gangsters is WANing into coolapps/the abyss/fuderoll prisms? probully knot?

    Yes, I have heard.

    I've heard about you.
    -Senor Droolcup
    Twin Peaks

    I agree with you that the whole "phonIE ?pr? ?firm? hypenosys stock markup FraUD" (see, I told you I've heard) is "WANing into coolapps." It's just going to take a few more years before the lights come up, I think. It's hard to believe that the "georgewellian fuddites" are losing their grip on things when the "creator's innocents" are being(pdf) harmed all around me.

    I'm one of the J.'s who is trying to reach other J.'s
    I'd like to know more about:
    • the newclear power/planet/population rescue initiative
    • the stuff that's unbreakable, & works on several (more than 3) dimensions
    • the pateNTdead eyecon0meter
    • the vessel that floats on almost any suBStance
    We really need to talk, dude. Seriously.
  15. Re:robbIE's sucksass due to lazy-is-fair wwworld? by Red+Rocket · · Score: 1 · on Likely Success of Internet-Related Business Models?

    as for fuddles, have you knot herd? the daze of phonIE corepirate nazi softwar gangsters is WANing into coolapps/the abyss/fuderoll prisms? probully knot?

    Yes, I have heard.

    I've heard about you.
    -Senor Droolcup
    Twin Peaks

    I agree with you that the whole "phonIE ?pr? ?firm? hypenosys stock markup FraUD" (see, I told you I've heard) is "WANing into coolapps." It's just going to take a few more years before the lights come up, I think. It's hard to believe that the "georgewellian fuddites" are losing their grip on things when the "creator's innocents" are being(pdf) harmed all around me.

    I'm one of the J.'s who is trying to reach other J.'s
    I'd like to know more about:
    • the newclear power/planet/population rescue initiative
    • the stuff that's unbreakable, & works on several (more than 3) dimensions
    • the pateNTdead eyecon0meter
    • the vessel that floats on almost any suBStance
    We really need to talk, dude. Seriously.
  16. That's a Small Impact . . . by Red+Rocket · · Score: 3, Interesting · on Aral Sea Disappearing


    ...compared to the 1000 miles of streams that have been buried in West Virginia. Not to mention the 15%-25% of southern West Virginia's mountains that have been leveled causing the loss of 300,000 acres of highly productive hardwood forests.
    All so you can have electricity for 3 cents per kilowatt-hour.

  17. Mountaintop Removal by Red+Rocket · · Score: 1 · on Environmental Costs of Computer Use?


    Here's what the massive consumption of electricity is doing.