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New Evidence For Oceans of Water Deep In the Earth
techtech (2016646) writes Researchers from Northwestern University and the University of New Mexico report evidence for potentially oceans worth of water deep beneath the United States. Though not in the familiar liquid form—the ingredients for water are bound up in rock deep in the Earth's mantle—the discovery may represent the planet's largest water reservoir.
This research was published in Science.
Let's get down! Down deep!
This will be a new application for hydraulic fracturing to release the water from the rock.
I tried to look for info regarding this matter but apparently they are all behind paywalls
Is there any info that one can get without having to pay ?
Thank you !
Another irreplaceable resource to exploit an make a buck!
We will need much of this so-called "hydraulic liquid" (and maybe a few other chemicals) in order to release the water!
Hydroxide is not water.
Does it mean hygrogen & oxigen are separately bound up in rock?
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At first I thought this might be impossible to build a well to get at this water as the well pump would require nuclear reactors to power it. Then again it might be hot enough down at these depths to get steam up the well, but what kind of material would line the drill hole to prevent its collapse? This water is not going to solve the need for water in California's Central Valley anytime soon.
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It's still easier to get fresh water from the atmosphere. Since it falls down freely, we just have to harvest it. I mean, the deepest hole we've dug is what, five miles? Let's just wait for it to seep out, like the methane and oil do. Besides we are only using about one percent of the water we have on or above the surface. The "crisis" is in management, not supply.
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I think the "other explanation" is that a story is told, and then people try to fit elements of that story to new discoveries that are made. So the waters of the "Great Flood" vanished? And we discover an ocean's worth of water under North America. How is it obvious that those two are linked? Couldn't it also be true that the stories in the bible are parables meant to teach a lesson and not meant as a literal history lesson?
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you make me want to kill myself.
Seriously, this could be where a lot of Mar's water went. That is under Martian surface.
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So rock contains water? That's not new.
Mineral hydration? I guess even rocks love Brawndo. It's got electrolytes. That's what rocks crave!
"a hydroxyl radical (OH), which can be bound into a mineral's crystal structure."
Oceans of water? OH, no!
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What isn't "contrivocerial" is that you are an idiot.
If you had an ounce of critical thinking skills (or had even bothered to read the article), you would realize that hydroxyl radicals pervasively bound up in mineral deposits that are hundreds of millions of years old in no way support the idea of an imaginary flood that allegedly occurred 6000 years ago before being written about by semi-ltierate Bronze Age goat herders.
Go thump your bible elsewhere, and retake 3rd grade spelling while you are at it.
No, first there was everything, then it changed.
Mostly random stuff.
Well AC, I understand the haughty "green" derision that is so fashionable these days, but you have to understand that you most likely wouldn't be here to bitch about all of this "wasted" water if it weren't for the fact we "waste" so much water. Proper water treatment facilities, wastewater management, and just good ol general sanitation are the reason we don't worry about dying of dysentery, cholera, and many other pathogens these days. Third world nations still using old fashioned cesspits do worry about these. Evidently there's even a trend for Crone's sufferers that involve infecting yourself with tapeworms and the pioneer of this method went to Africa to stand around barefoot all day in these public cesspits to get infected. Why? Because America is too clean! So be aware that if we go back to these "greener" methods, you'll need to be sure you're wearing some shit waders cause it'd be a damned shame if you got a tapeworm when you jumped down off your high horse.
I can't tell if you're joking, or insane and trying to fit world events into religious delusions.
Why in the hell would you do that? Killing yourself doesn't stop this retard from retardedly spewing his retarded beliefs and making other retards believe the same retarded shit. Kill HIM instead, DUH!
Never go full retard!
I can't tell if you're joking, or insane and trying to fit world events into religious delusions.
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Maybe this explains where God got the extra water to flood the earth. I don't believe that story, but one of the many arguments to refute the Ark story being true is that there wasn't enough water to flood the Earth.
What's funny is how many people will think you're being serious and you're a crazy bible thumper... except it's clear you haven't read the bible.
What would be really sad is if you were a bible thumper and didn't know anything about your 'holy' book.
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For as much contrivocery as there is in the biblical history, only recently some of the evidence supporting it is starting to show up in science. First the discovery of the "Big Bang" and the Genisis creation story. In the beginning there was nothing, and then it exploded or something like that.
The entire earth was covered in a flood, poor Noah. Hmm, now we find the flood drained somewhere. Is the Great Flood of Noah fiction? I have my doubts. Some of the stories are beginning to be supported by recent discoveries. How did they possibly get it right so many years ago?
Maybe there is another explination we will find.
What was in those caverns beforehand? Did God kill the Morlocks after he killed the humans?
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Actually, science supports the theory of a Great Flood: the end of the last glacial age. Sea levels rose more than a hundred meters, glaciers collapsed, colossal floods submerged plains and coasts. It changed the whole map of the earth.
It didn't all happen at once, of course, but neither was it without punctuation. Bursting glacial dams and mega-tsunamis are sudden and apocalyptic by anyone's standards; combined with the incessant rise of the tides it's easy to see where so many cultures got their legends of civilization-ending floods.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
It's said the English channel was cut by an ice dam burst, the rubble found when they dug the channel tunnel pretty much confirms it. However just because science has found evidence of massive floods does not add an ounce of weight to the bibical claims about Noah. It's like claiming the fact rock and roll started in the 50's proves Elvis is an alien. The moral of the Noah story and indeed most biblical stories is that blind obiedience to the dictates of power is a virtue.
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
But then where did the water come from? It can't rain upwards!
"but one of the many arguments to refute the Ark story being true is that there wasn't enough water to flood the Earth."
Really? Trying to claim that ommnipotent GOD didn't have enough water to do something? If GOD is so GODLY as religious people say there didn't even have to be flood "for real". God could have just moved everything into new position, altered everyones memories, and there, a big flood just happened without any "real" water at all. When discussing what GOD can or cannot do you might as well be discussing if unicorn can fly or not. It kinda depends how you want to imagine them. Same with GOD. Refuting some bible stories is just bloody stupid, refute Lord of the Rings instead, you'll have more fun, and the opponents don't hopefully actually take it seriously enough to be mental patients if their delusion was anything but GOD.
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You're absolutely right!
People, please, when you're writing in Slashdot, try to make an effort to respect the opinions of retards and trolls.
To be fair, it's highly likely that the story is based in historical fact to begin with. While the whole world may not have flooded, there was most likely a large enough flood to be worth telling stories about. This would explain why the story of the single family surviving the flood has appeared in several different religions.
The plot of the SF novels "Flood" and "Ark" by Stephen Baxter is that huge water reservoirs beneath the earth's crust get released to the surface, which raises the ocean levels until all land is under water.
Wait 'til they find out the ugly truth: rich old white men don't want to work.
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I don't actually think this is about tolerance. Sure AC is a rude bastard, but he isn't entirely wrong. It is ... shall we say unwise... to jump upon every minor discovery as supporting a particular world view without considering it carefully first.
Personally, I don't buy a literal interpretation of Genesis, and I have found people who do tend to grasp desperately at anything that seems to support their argument, which often leaves them with egg on the face, as it were. Almost as if they don't really believe, but are trying desperately to convince themselves. It's a position that seems to me to be a bit antithetical to Christianity, and perhaps is ill-advised. I don't doubt that there are literalists who aren't quite like that, but it seems to be a trend of sorts. Perhaps because the television evangelists realised that a good conspiracy sells very well and have been pushing it for years to try and trap people in order to part them with their money.
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Those options aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, they often go hand in hand.
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
How is it different than gypsum, CaSO4-2H2O?
What! You mean a grumpy slashdotter can't just come up with a remarkably brilliant solution to solve the world's problems in just 30 seconds of thinking?
http://xkcd.com/793/
Don't we have enough water here on the surface? Oceans of water? We have 5 of them on the surface, right?
Anyone complaining that there is not enough water in the Pacific Ocean?
Wait, fresh water you mean?
Sorry, I do not know that fresh water exists in the oceans, at least that's not the case on the surface.
Is that the case in the mantle?
Do you think there's life down there?
So, the rock breaks up and water flows; a big enough break and it becomes a massive discharge into the atmosphere which then comes back down as one heck of a deluge. Interesting.
Why bring politics into this?
Yeah, like when the ice sheets melted at the end of the last glaciation - several hundred meters of sea level rise world-wide, and any human group near what had been the coast would have experienced something that looked a helluva lot like Noah's Flood. Probably several times.....
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Statements like that say more about you than him.
Personally, statements like his make me worry about the state of the educational system that has obviously failed him in multiple ways.
Couldn't it also be true that the stories in the bible are parables meant to teach a lesson and not meant as a literal history lesson?
And the lesson is, God is a powerful, wrathful dude, so it's right to be afraid of him and obey what we tell you.
... tl:dr - google Thomas Gold Deep Hot Biosphere.
Kind of nice to know momma earth is a good place to be.
"Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.
That's a familiar story. I had a 5 digit UID until I lost access to the email account I had used to set it up. But also I was then posting under a nick I no longer have a need for: mysticgoat or mysticgoat1993 or something like that. Now I'm retired and no longer have to preserve a professional persona. So even if I had access to my old account, I would not use it, since slashdot in its wisdom does not allow the username on an account to be changed. I understand the reasoning behind that, and do not disagree with it. Sucks to have been Mystic Goat.
Now I have a 7 digit UID. For a while I was often mistaken as a youngster, but due to my inherently churlish nature, I'm quickly seen as the curmudgeon I have always been.
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Indeed, there have been several truly massive flods over the years. The Zanclean flood that is theorized to have flooded the Mediterranean sea 5.33 million years age (long before homo sapiens roamed) may have exhibited water rising at 10 meters per day. However, the Black Sea deluge, while much smaller, could have happened circa 5600 BC. It's entirely possible that this was the basis for many of the flood myths that are common in the region.
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Flods. Truly massive flods.
Chuuch. Preach. Tabernacle.
Genesis 7:11 does seem to have some otherwise unknown insight:
"...on the same day all the fountains of the great deep burst open..."
I agree that the Bible is not intended primarily as a scientific document. However, many a ruin have been discovered in its chapters, the "paths of the seas" (Maury) was discovered through its reading. Some parts believed to be completely legends such as King David, have later found archeological evidence. In fact, the phrase "In the beginning" wasn't "scientific" 50 years ago.
I believe honest scientific research will help us understand what the Bible wrote, and likewise help us understand where the Bible has been misinterpreted. There's little to no reason to believe the Bible is false in regard to facts. if you don't feel this is true, I'd say wait another 50 years. Believe that science has a lot more progress to make.
given the current state of pollution and human 'intelligence' is best to not spoil any backup resources until we advanced enough to keep what we have in a decent state.....
Evidence for both. This study leans toward outgassing.
Listening to a book which has internal discrepancies is never a good idea. Even a stop clock is right twice a day. The bible is not factual, even if it might have some factual elements in it. By your logic The Da Vinci Code is factual, as Italy exists.
Balls Deep.
Where's the giant cavern with the ocean, and the dinosaurs? Esp. the dinosaurs!
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By this logic I shit diamonds! Hey, there's a lot of carbon bound up in human waste. Carbon is an (nay, the) ingredient in diamond, therefore New Evidence For Oceans of Diamonds Deep In The Sewer.
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The only evidence before 1993 of a historical King David was from the Bible. Maury discovered ocean currents from a passage in Psalms, "paths of the seas".
The Bible's primary intent is not to be a historical or scientific book, however, given the two incidences cited (and there are many more), it certainly isn't a bad idea to "listen" to the Bible.
News Flash - NASA announced the 'possibility' of life deep underground on the planet Earth after sensors detected the presence of water at depths of 450 miles below the surface. Senior scientist [woman's name here] said "we should not rule out the possibility and should immediately add funding and send a probe. Yes the temperature and pressures in this strange world are incredible but [add name of odd and rare species of something that resembles paint flaking off an old piece wood] is an extreme lifeform that is found in [name of somewhere really nasty] here at home."
Another candidate is the filling of the Persian Gulf: it wouldn't have been as abrupt as the proposed Black Sea deluge (taking years rather than days), but during the last Ice Age, the Gulf would have been prime agricultural land, at least as good if not better than Mesopotamia. There's a decent chance that there was a civilization there, where the Black Sea would likely have been nomadic tribes.
"They redundantly repeated themselves over and over again incessantly without end ad infinitum" -- ibid.
Isaac Newton was highly religious, even to the point of nutty u ==in his era. He invented modern science and calculus as a side project
Thanshin is much sharper, he posts smart-ass comments on the internet from his mom's basement.
Sounds like the perfect spot to dump all of our nuclear waste.
Literal or not, it's still interesting to bring up. There are a lot of insights that were ahead of their time - such as the avoidance of pork (a meat that's far worse than average in harboring parasites).