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One guy did a summary of all names posted and completely ignored/overlooked mine. That guy would be me. There have been a handful of people who complained about me overlooking their suggestions in the list that I created. Quite frankly, that response pisses me off. I spent many hours scouring through that horrific thread where people essentially vomited their name suggestions to the screen without any concern for the guidelines set forth by the Core Team and without any sense of concern for trademarks or available TLD names. Many people simply ignored the conversation and even submitted names that had already been submitted multiple times. That thread is the worst case scenario of what can happen when a project's development is in the hands of the open source community. As I said multiple times ont hat forum, the thorn in the side of the open source community is disorganization. What I did was attempt to start the organization process of that mess. My list resulted in 486 names. That was only a starting point. Soon after, cmeister2 created a database from my list where the names could be further organized, and overlooked names or newly submitted names could be added. If I overlooked your precious name, then you could've added it to his list, that is, if you were paying attention to the conversation within those threads. Most of the names on that list were horrible, but even some of them were better than the Joomla! name. They could've done better. I wish the Core Development team would've appointed someone to organize that discussion. They could've taken cmeister2's database and php script and created a quick voting module out of it to get feedback from the very users and community developers of their CMS. They could've pooled together the potential strength of the community. Only organization will do that. If I would've organized that list, I would've first started an open discussion to establish guidelines, such as the name shouldn't be similar to mambo. After establishing guidelines, I would then setup a quick script where people can submit names based upon those guidelines. If their suggestion did not fit the guidelines, then the submission gets thrown out. That way, they have 60 quality names instead of 500 names that mostly are not usable. A big concern with the name choosing was that viewers (or perhaps someone representing Miro) might poach the domain names that were suggested. To prevent that, I would create a group of volunteers, perhaps 20-30 who have a reputable background within the Mambo community, to finalize the discussion of the new name in a private forum. I can say that the logo discussion is going a little better than the name discussion. They could just do better. I will stay updated with Joomla! development, but I'm personally focusing my efforts on Xaraya

One guy did a summary of all names posted and completely ignored/overlooked mine. That guy would be me. There have been a handful of people who complained about me overlooking their suggestions in the list that I created. Quite frankly, that response pisses me off. I spent many hours scouring through that horrific thread where people essentially vomited their name suggestions to the screen without any concern for the guidelines set forth by the Core Team and without any sense of concern for trademarks or available TLD names. Many people simply ignored the conversation and even submitted names that had already been submitted multiple times. That thread is the worst case scenario of what can happen when a project's development is in the hands of the open source community. As I said multiple times ont hat forum, the thorn in the side of the open source community is disorganization. What I did was attempt to start the organization process of that mess. My list resulted in 486 names. That was only a starting point. Soon after, cmeister2 created a database from my list where the names could be further organized, and overlooked names or newly submitted names could be added. If I overlooked your precious name, then you could've added it to his list, that is, if you were paying attention to the conversation within those threads. Most of the names on that list were horrible, but even some of them were better than the Joomla! name. They could've done better. I wish the Core Development team would've appointed someone to organize that discussion. They could've taken cmeister2's database and php script and created a quick voting module out of it to get feedback from the very users and community developers of their CMS. They could've pooled together the potential strength of the community. Only organization will do that. If I would've organized that list, I would've first started an open discussion to establish guidelines, such as the name shouldn't be similar to mambo. After establishing guidelines, I would then setup a quick script where people can submit names based upon those guidelines. If their suggestion did not fit the guidelines, then the submission gets thrown out. That way, they have 60 quality names instead of 500 names that mostly are not usable. A big concern with the name choosing was that viewers (or perhaps someone representing Miro) might poach the domain names that were suggested. To prevent that, I would create a group of volunteers, perhaps 20-30 who have a reputable background within the Mambo community, to finalize the discussion of the new name in a private forum. I can say that the logo discussion is going a little better than the name discussion. They could just do better. I will stay updated with Joomla! development, but I'm personally focusing my efforts on Xaraya

One guy did a summary of all names posted and completely ignored/overlooked mine. That guy would be me. There have been a handful of people who complained about me overlooking their suggestions in the list that I created. Quite frankly, that response pisses me off. I spent many hours scouring through that horrific thread where people essentially vomited their name suggestions to the screen without any concern for the guidelines set forth by the Core Team and without any sense of concern for trademarks or available TLD names. Many people simply ignored the conversation and even submitted names that had already been submitted multiple times. That thread is the worst case scenario of what can happen when a project's development is in the hands of the open source community. As I said multiple times ont hat forum, the thorn in the side of the open source community is disorganization. What I did was attempt to start the organization process of that mess. My list resulted in 486 names. That was only a starting point. Soon after, cmeister2 created a database from my list where the names could be further organized, and overlooked names or newly submitted names could be added. If I overlooked your precious name, then you could've added it to his list, that is, if you were paying attention to the conversation within those threads. Most of the names on that list were horrible, but even some of them were better than the Joomla! name. They could've done better. I wish the Core Development team would've appointed someone to organize that discussion. They could've taken cmeister2's database and php script and created a quick voting module out of it to get feedback from the very users and community developers of their CMS. They could've pooled together the potential strength of the community. Only organization will do that. If I would've organized that list, I would've first started an open discussion to establish guidelines, such as the name shouldn't be similar to mambo. After establishing guidelines, I would then setup a quick script where people can submit names based upon those guidelines. If their suggestion did not fit the guidelines, then the submission gets thrown out. That way, they have 60 quality names instead of 500 names that mostly are not usable. A big concern with the name choosing was that viewers (or perhaps someone representing Miro) might poach the domain names that were suggested. To prevent that, I would create a group of volunteers, perhaps 20-30 who have a reputable background within the Mambo community, to finalize the discussion of the new name in a private forum. I can say that the logo discussion is going a little better than the name discussion. They could just do better. I will stay updated with Joomla! development, but I'm personally focusing my efforts on Xaraya

This gesture by Miro is an empty one. It seems to me that Miro has shot themselves in the foot over this Mambo Foundation and made themselves look awfully foolish. Right now they are attempting damage control by trying to appear like "good guys" with all these disingenuous gestures.

All the coding talent that was behind Mambo has since left to form their own foundation. To find out what the ex-developers of Mambo are up to, visit OpenSourceMatters

Disclosure: Yes, I'm the one who wrote the Mambo developer exodus report on Ars Technica.

Howdy,

Seems to me this is a clear cut case of the pot callin' the kettle black. Surely only the most uninformed would fall for such an obvious ploy as this so called interview.

This Ric Shreeves happily posted on the new home of the project formerly known as Mambo (http://forum.opensourcematters.org/) about his 20 questions article, claiming to be objective and neutral in this here matter.

Seems quite likely from the plugs he's been givin' it since that this is not the case at all, don't it?

So Mr. Shreeves, prove that ya'll are not just a part of Miro's ol' boys club, or be seen as the snake that you seem to be.

Why, such rampantly unashamed propaganda makes me ill to the stomach.

That's comin' from one who would know, pilgrim.

For those of ya'll that would like the lowdown on the story so far, as well as updates surely when more news come to hand, mosie on over to http://lonemamber.blogspot.com/, and then I suggest paying Mr. Shreeve's so-called interview a visit and givin' the man a piece of ya mind.

Thankye kindly for perserverin',

The Lone Mamber

p.s. Why not even that Brian Connolly snake got a slashdot to his propaganda, whatever is happenin' here?

"Disclaimer: I'm not involved with Mambo in any way, but I have dealt with similar issues before."

Being that you are posting in the forums with an IP address from one of the Mambo Foundation Board Members' clients, I'm forced to say you are intentionally deceiving us.

There are more details at Ars Technica, providing a little more background to the events leading up to present.

Disclaimer: I am one of the developers involved, and will openly admit it. Sure wished everyone else could be as honest, and cannot wait to get things done proper.

Mitch Pirtle (spacemonkey)
OpenSourceMatters.org

The Mambo Foundation was formed without regard to the concerns of the core development teams. We, the community, have no voice in its government or the future direction of Mambo. The Mambo Steering Committee made up of development team and Miro representatives authorized incorporation of the Foundation and should form the first Board. Miro CEO Peter Lamont has taken it upon himself to incorporate the Foundation and appoint the Board without consulting the two development team representatives, Andrew Eddie and Brian Teeman.

Although Mr. Lamont through the MSC promised to transfer the Mambo copyright to the Foundation, Miro now refuses to do so.

What we will do: We will continue to develop and improve a version of this award-winning software project currently released under the GNU General Public License. We wish Miro and the Mambo Foundation well and regret that we are not able to work with them.

I looked up mamboportal.com, and saw the following:

...During the last month more and more users registered at our website. Since today we had more than 100,000 registered users.
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Why? Mambo's user management is very simple and has not changed much since the early days. For example Mambo uses a drop down menu in the content items to select the creator of an article. ... I gues you can imagine how long it takes to load a page with a 100,000 entrys drop down menu.
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However as I want to move forward with Mamboportal.com and the new team I decided to clear the whole userdatabase today. Every of the 100,000 registered users will be informed about that via Email the next days.


I guess open source really does matter in this respect : if it doesn't work, change it yourself. Opensource will really help to mature this product even further.