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Mambo Changes its Name to Joomla!
Phil Shapiro writes "The popular open source content management system named Mambo has changed its name to Joomla! -- released under the GNU Public License. Some of the reasons for the name change are explained at MamboPortal.com. Joomla! is used by a very wide array of organizations and companies."
I thought it was pretty bad telling my friends I used Mambo...
Now I have to say I use Joomla!, which is almost as ridiculous as saying Yahoo! out loud...
My UID is prime... is yours?
Soon, with Ubuntu and Joomba, we'll be experts in Swahili! ;-) That'd be kind of cool though.
You can only use a stupid name if you have a really big advertising budget.
The real reason they changed to Joomla! is that it is just more fun to say.
"For Great Justice."
First P. Diddy, now Mambo? The Humanity!
They really need to put Buzzword on the Google translation page....
My UID is prime... is yours?
The first letter in GPL is not GNU. It's the General Public License.
"All you have to do is be fragile and grateful. So stay the underdog." Chuck Palahniuk, Choke
I thought that the bursting of the bubble got rid of stupid names and branding, guess I was wrong. I blame it on the pharmaceutical companies. If they hadn't started inventing words for their drugs we wouldn't have tech companies following suit. At some point we are all going to have to learn that native African language with the Clicking noises. Ung Tcosk Klick Kluck Uunnnau
The rock, the vulture, and the chain
Seriously.
Mambo? Nah, Its only "mildly annoying".
Joomla? Good god, thats great!
Next on the list: Kafka!, Mobrimo!, and in a dire emergency, Google!.
Should have changed it to zombo.com. Anything is possible!
"The popular open source content management system named Mambo has changed its name to Joomla! -- released under the GNU Public License. Some of the reasons for the name change are explained at MamboPortal.com. Joomla! is used by a very wide array of organizations and companies."
Theoretically, wouldn't "a very wide array of organizations and companies" be using Mambo, not Joomla, as they most probably didn't get the latest Joomla version just now?
Microsoft is like...no, it's much worse.
Thanks for clarifying what Mambot is but I think you could have done it without the shameless plugging. ;-)
Keep the Classic Slashdot.
I personally would have gone with NotMambo. That way it's clear what they are and what they were.
Stop intellectual property from infringing on me
I don't think I'd call it 'changing their name'. I somehow suspect that we'll still be seeing releases as Mambo from the group still affiliated with the original company, and releases of this Joomla! from this group.
And I'm extremely wary about downloading anything put out by people who can't spell or form cohesive sentences. From the announcement:
"Mambo has changed it's name to Joomla! today. After the develpers of the award wining content management system Mambo has left the rights holder of Mambo, the australian company Miro, they established a new website and will release the first version of Joomla!, which will be version 1.0.0, soon."
To which I say... huh? Somebody needs to remember things like tenses, capitalization of proper nouns, and the difference between it's and its.
...produce valid markup, unlike their own 'Powered by Joomla!' site.
me Auntie Joomla, eerie ?
Dem Mambo boys am batty wid dis namin ting.
A slashdotting - you get the stick first and then the carrot !
Indira Nehru changed her name to Indira Gandhi too so she could get a political boost.
Mambo is still being maintained by Miro. Someone has been trained at the Mike Robertson school of PR.
mumbo jumbo to me!
A pizza of radius z and thickness a has a volume of pi z z a
I've played around with Mambo/Joomla! and was not impressed. It was not intuitive for non-technical people to use (which is to me is the whole point of having such a system). It seemed to be extremely difficult to break the mold of the typical Mambo site, which is basically a blog. Additionally, when I started looking under the hood I was shocked to find such tangled code in what is apparently a relatively well respected project. It looked like a project that had just continually had things tacked onto it without any over-arching design. I'd be willing to deal with the ugly code if the system itself was particularly easy to use. But trying to explain Sections, Categories, Mambots, etc to a non-technical person is an uphill battle.
What am I missing that everyone else seems to think is so great?
He also plugged here:
:)
Here not long ago. I remember reading his post.
But since he's a subscriber I think we can forgive him
Have you metaroderated recently?
Mambots are actually things inside of Mambo, to show pictures, and do other features, without having to code and what not... Mambo is the content management system itself... Another impressive thing... is that Mambo is so clean and efficient code-wise... I've had my site /. a few times, and each time my server has had no problems keeping up with the traffic... very impressive for an open source content management server... able to handle high-traffic sites with ease...
Amazing what sites powered by Linux can do... all for FREE...
I could care less WHAT they call it, as long as they keep providing such high-quality software as this... for FREE...
By the way, if I was to do a shameless plug, I would say go to my websites, and click on the Google Ads... but that would just be wrong :)
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It's bad enough having to read advertisments in the stories without seeing them in the comments too. You're worse than a fucking door to door vacuum cleaner salesman. You've got your damn site up there above everything you post, you already plugged it once. Try putting out a resume like a normal person.
the preferred CMS of Jar Jar
Joomla backwards is almooj, which could be written as Al Mooj. This is clearly a tool to be used by terrorist organizations and should be banned immediately!
Of course, it's no coincidence that both the sites you linked to are much more alike (functionally) than they are different.
That's the double-edged sword of powerful systems like Mambo (and drupal for that matter, which I have used for community.auditionrocks.com, although more out of expediency than anything else): they excel at making sites that really require exactly the features that they offer, and no more. That may sound like a stupid statement, but it's no surprise that the vast majority of Mambo-powered and drupal-powered sites have a distinct Mambo or Drupal look and feel. At their best, they let you go from prototyping to actual building very quickly; at their worst, they dictate design. And breaking out of the CMSs presentation paradigm can frequently become more trouble than it's worth.
concrete5: a cms made for marketing, but strong enough for geeks.
lol
I agree. I hate it when people show off about having a girlfriend.
Why would anyone change the name of their product from a semi-reasonable English word, to a nonsense word that any adult would feel embarrassed to say out loud? I can't imagine a better way to scare off potential new users.
Not that the company had a good business idea, or anything, but this is exactly the thing that made sure "Flooz.com" was DOA.
Cantankerous old coot since 1957.
http://www.joomla.org/content/view/5/6/
They misinterpret the GPL here: you may perfectly charge for the GPL code.
Hopefully they did some investigation as to the meaning of this word. It would be hilarious (for us, not them) if "joomla" meant "swamp butt" or "halitosis" or something.
Also, what's with this stupid trend of companies using an exclamation point in their name?
"isiZulu" is simply the word for the Zulu language in Zulu itself. Likewise "isiXhosa" is the name for the Xhosa language in Xhosa itself. (The "isi-" is a grammatical prefix that distinguishes the adverb from, say, a Zulu or Xhosa person.)
So it really makes more sense to either say "Zulu and Xhosa" or "isiZulu and isiXhosa". I'd recommend the former, since "isiZulu" and "isiXhosa" aren't really English words.
Dlugar
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Indeed, it is quite disgraceful when such major web developers are unable to write valid XHTML (in this case) for their own website.
w .joomla.org%2F
u ke.org/
Check if for yourself:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fww
As of this time, seven errors are reported, plus a number of warnings.
It's difficult to tell whether it is a lack of ability, a lack of initiative, or a lack of quality control. Perhaps it is a mixture of all three factors. Regardless, it makes their project look bad. Very bad.
The least that one should expect from a web developer is that the developer's own website is standards-conformant. The lack of professionalism shown by this group of web developers rubs off on all open source developers, unfortunately.
They are, however, far better than PHP-Nuke, which currently offers 96 errors[1] on their homepage.
References:
[1] http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.phpn
Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
Hey, what better way to see how much my Linux server can handle? :)
I could just post a single text message on the site... don't really care :)
I just enjoy this "Stress Test" of the server... :)
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Joomla joomla LaJoom LaJoom It's all in the hips...
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that is horrible.
i am not big on animal rights on what have you. [i hate pets. nota big fan of animals and als othink its emotionally retarded and cruel to keep an animal captive and domesticated]
but i find cruelty for entertainment as well as spite and malice to be unforgivable.
kudos to you for going to the police and not harming their "loved ones".
hopefully iwth western laws against animal cruelty they will be justly punished. its not about revenge..
just that if they are dysfunctional enough not to think before doing something so terrible maybe the law ought to teach them some basic humanity that they so clearly lack.
i define humanity as having enough compassion to realise that willfully inflicting suffering on another entity to be wrong.
sidenote: copy the the files sned it with their address ot an extremist peta style group for a "weekend encounter" session.
It looks very unprofessional for a site basically selling your services to contain advertisements along the side. I would be hesitant to deal with a doctor who stuck advertisements on the side of his office sign, just as I would be with a computer systems developer who sticks ads all over his commercial website.
Not only that, but the ads are very religious in nature. Perhaps Google took the "customer service" text to mean "religious service", and thus stuck religious ads all along the right side.
Thanks for the attempt, but I would not deal with you because of the appearance and content of your website.
Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
Actually, she is my fiance... little bit higher then girlfriend... I'm not showing off her being my fiance... I just was showing off how easy and quick you can build a decent site, from nothing, with Mambo :) :)
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Maybe you should have taken the opportunity to sneak in a little free advertising for your own site? You never know, you might generate a little extra traffic, ben@nerdsystems.com :-)
With this sudden name change of Mambo to Joomla!, User:Bishonen has suddenly nominated both and Joomla!. There is extremly divisive debate on both pages, some people voting delete on the grounds that the articles are ads, others going "WTF are you doing! This is certainly notable!" Personally, I'm absolutely flabbergasted. What the hell are these Wikipedians doing?
On a serious note, I'm wondering what this will mean for Miro and Mambo. If Mambo has a lot of mind share then it will take some work for the Joomla people to communicate that they are the new development branch. Since Joomla is GPL then there is nothing stopping Miro from taking Joomla, renaming it to Mambo, and continuing to market it. In that case it'd be both perfectly legal and the original developers would still be writing code for Miro. Miro could continue to keep the mind share that they have invested in Mambo. I wonder how the Joomla developers plan to counteract that and market their product.
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If you want strict control over the layout and function of a web site, then you would probably want to switch from a content management system to a content management framework. Content management frameworks are an order of magnitute more complex to setup, but with that complexity comes absolute freedom of functionality and layout.
I started out using CMS systems like Drupal and Mambo, but have switched to building CMS systems with Typo3 and haven't looked back since. There is very little you can't do in Typo3, and there is no 'default' look for a Typo3 created site. You have absolute freedom in layout. Typo3 has a learning curve measured in weeks, but the rewards are definately worth it.
That new name just sounds lame. And having an exclamation mark after it works fine for Yahoo!, but I don't think we need another one of those names.
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I'm bored, about to go to a birthday party, so figured I would play for a bit before we head out...
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I find your comment to be contradictory. If you are on big on animal rights why do you hate pets because it is cruel?
Wow, that's even harder to remember than my own domain name (which is fine by me). I keep thinking JamLoo! or Roomba! -- besides, exlamation mark names mess up my punctuation!. Ah, well.
how does mambo/joomla rate against Drupal?? i only tried drupal ... and found it easy to use and it's a powerful cms. is mambo/joomla better?
i made my website using drupal: www.iconnectzone.com
This is an unfortunate example of why most geeks shouldn't be allowed to name things.
Naming things is tough in this day of domain name squatters, which makes it very tempting to go with meaningless invented names (or names that sound that way to most people - e.g. "Ogg Vorbis"). Weird names are fine for things that don't require much investment to sample them -- but for the case where it does represent a significant investment (in either time, money, or risk) then a weird name can be a severe handicap to the adoption of that product.
Are you like 13 or something?
I saw "Mambo" and "joomba" and for some reason my mind went immediately to
Roomba.
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
this is offtopic so this isn't really the place for the discussion
but... Peta is anti-pets, anti-mascots, against the use of animals in anyway whatsoever for our amusement.
You're...an idiot...did you like...know that?...Because you are...
Mambo! Joomla! Sis ra ra! Ginko farly! Iss bata!
You know what your vocabulary is missing?...SUSPENSION POINTS! Idiot.
peta isn't anti-pets. Indeed they provide much advice for people with companion animals and how to live happily with them while keeping up with their best interests.
Regardless, the poster you replied to made a typo, and was asking if someone was NOT big on animal rights why they felt it was cruel keeping a pet.
Seriously, where is this mythical physician? I have yet to find a doctors office that doesn't have "infoposters" of this medicine or that plastered all over the place. In fact, a doctors office is one of the places where you'll find the most ads strewn around the walls and windows. I challenge you to find a doctors office that is ad free, let me know, and I'll send him a gift basket for not accepting the kickbacks that come with the infomercial posters.
- The Google Toolbar has a spell checker button AND it works, consider that before hitting submit next time k?
Am I the only one who things this article is incredibly biased? I mean, Mambo isn't changing it's name. There will still be a Mambo. Joomla! is a project created based off of Mambo by a lot of the Mambo developers, but it isn't the new name of Mambo.
.this just in Red Hat Linux changes its name to SUSE (insofar as SUSE was based off RH and so clearly it is just a name change and whatever that Red Hat company continues to do isn't real).
Wait. .
Now, there is a VERY strong argument that Joomla! is where all the big Mambo developers are moving and that it will be more Mambo than Mambo, but the post is libelous because Mambo isn't changing it's name. Mambo is staying around with the Mambo name.
I'd also like to know about the differences between the two.
http://pixelcort.com/
Believe it or not, many other CMSs do the exact same thing. Page restriction based on login status is a common feature among various CMSs, and coded easily enough.
Debugging? Klingons do not debug. Bugs are good for building character in the user.
Actually, I was glad to see examples of Mambo in action myself. Providing such and getting a plug in at the same time, eh, that's not such a bad thing at all...
This article is not just biased but intentionally plain wrong. This would be like saying XFree86 has been renamed to x.org.
im sorry that was not clear. i hate pets because wher i come from, pets are dirty. in the west obviously you are all maybe cleaner and clean your hosues /pets iwth some magic formula. i am sure keepinga a pet isn't generally ycruel and encourages human-animal understanding and bonding and is an easier life where the animal recieves a filial platonic love
howvere i dislike keeping animals in ones home and i hate domestication
and no im not too big on animal rights because i eat non organic/free - range meat.
[it is wrong and i hope when we treat all organisms with consideration we will also afford the same compassion to fellow humans automoatically c.f. assorted blacks and poor in NOLA is a decent example.
I think it is very stupid to include punctuation marks other than hyphens and apostrophes in trade marks. It not only looks like a childish Yahoo rip-off but is an obvious trick to make people end every single sentence including such a trade mark with an exclamation mark or otherwise risk having misleading punctuation in the middle of a sentence where it certainly does not belong. I hope they will change the name to just Joomla because I refuse to use marks of admiration in my writing when it doesn't reflect my way of thinking. Period.
Karma: Positive (probably because of superiour intellect)
JoMamma
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
Ok, I dont see anywhere on their site describing what exactly Joomla! or Mambo is. Its a content management system. So what does it do? A lotta companies use it. Hmm ok... I gander that it manages content in a systematic way... *so confused*
Confession: I wrote the site of this CMS above, since I had forgotten the name of the site in the time it took to come back to /. to post this. So that's a sign that either (a) this new name has little sticking power or (b) um, what was I talking about?
or they continue the dance theme and Lambada, Macarena, Hustle, and Cabbage Patch creeped out the testers' signifigant others who caught them attempting the namesake dances. To their relief, the testers haven't figured out what a Joomla is and are now slightly less embarassing.
If my grammar and spelling are off, I am [distracted/tired/careless] (take your pick)
I'm sure everyone already knows the great features of Mambo
You lost me here. How the fuck did you come to this astonishing conclusion? (and being "sure" of it, no less)
I know alot of folks have criticized your site, but I mean really, it looks like a teenager's blog or something. If you want to see increased business, redesign a more professional site, and don't have that animation at the top with the blinking "ftp" http" "sql" etc... its almost as bad as the blink tag. Make your sight simple and elegant, not complex, not black, and don't have ads. Your selling a service, your revenue isn't based off of ads. If your services suck so bad that you need ads to support it then it says something about your service and I would think that alot of people would be hesitant to use it.
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Steve
I had a list of names posted. It was the first suggestion in the forums that had more than one entry. (I'm good at making names - better than most nerds that is). One guy did a summary of all names posted and completely ignored/overlooked mine. Half of those had some sort of branding quality, as at least a third in the forums were very good.
The problem with Joomla! is the lack of speech rythym. If you have a chance to use a fantasy name - and most OSS projects couldn't care less if the name is known and speakable in most countries - such as the name "Diesel" which became a well know clothing brand (very smart pick for a name, just like "amazon").
Take for instance "Rivett" or "Engine" (Engine was one of my suggestions), or even a silly name like "TittyTwister". All of these have at least one vowel at all sylable borders, which makes them easier to memorize, speak, pronounce and spell. With "Engine" being an exeption because it's pronouced different from it's spelling. A good tradeoff if you like the associations the name causes.
Bottom line:
Nothing agains a complete fantasy name - on the contrary. In the end you have better brand recognition. But you should let people who have experience at naming do it. Especially when so many marketing experts offer their help as they did with Joomla!. Joomla! looks cool, that why lots of people in the marketing industry use it. Many would've like to pay back by helping out with branding and such. It's a shame the core team didn't go along.
Then again, I've seen crappier names than Joomla! in the OSS world, so I guess I should be glad.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Is it possible that somebody writes "GNU Public License" today ?
GPL stands for General Public License
I always mention it like this :
GNU GPL
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Go ahead and TRY to see what happens when you TRY to run Slashdot, the prime butt trumpet of "standards complience" through the W3C validators. Go ahead! OH! Is that a "403 Forbidden"? Hmm....
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
Jumla may be Swahili, but it is derived from the Arabic word of the same name. So, they're trying to broaden their market.
Miro will also have to change their name now, since Miro and Mambo had the same beginning syllable. So, I look forward to seeing the founding of a new company: Jiro!
What those who want activist courts fear is rule by the people.
The real reason for the name change was because Mambo.org was already taken: http://mambo.org/.
What those who want activist courts fear is rule by the people.
It's not rocket science. Just a little common sense;
"Content Management System" => "A System that Manages Content"...
Since it's a web-application, you can safely assume that it's "A System that Manages Content on the Web". How do you present content through the web? I know! A "Website".
Put 2 & 2 together... Geesh...
Nobody's gay for Mole-Man.
Yet more offtopicness...
South Park said it best. PETA doesn't care about humans.
In your network services bit, It's spelled Novell. not Novel. Also, The color scheme makes it really hard to read. And lose the ads.
"Love is like a trampoline, first it's like "SWEET!!" then it's like *BLAMM!*"
Why does every move of a CMS interest Slashdot?
Isn't Slashdot a CMS?
Boggle.
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We are now... no longer the Knights Who Say 'Mambo'.
We are now the Knights Who Say 'Joomla!- ecky- ecky- ecky- pikang- zoop- boing- goodem- zoo- owli- zhiv'.
I'm glad you went straight to authorities about this, I cannot stand people who get off on cruelty just for pleasure. When I was 19, I caught my older sister's boyfriend about aged 22 holding my little brother's mice by the tail and flicking them in the head listening to them squeaking.
He might have been older, but I was bigger. I gave him the same kicking he gave the mice and then some. Never saw him come around any more. The mice were OK in the end, thankfully.
worst.name.evar.
And now If you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go play with my Joomla!
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Damn you, crazy frog, and your ability to ruin any song and any day, regardless of weather and earning potential. Please leave open source alone.
I didn't care about Mambo, its whiny developers, its greedy owners, and I don't see how this non-news, non-stuff that matters should matter to me.
...to fight a battle against an english word that's inevitably trademarked by some other company.
People don't care about weird names.
They do.
Ever looked at the credits after a movie?
I'd wager 1/3 to 1/2 of the actors in the list have changed their name. Either because their previous names were too convoluted for the average American to pronounce (e.g. they might have ancestral ties to other countries) or they had too common names, meaning they needed to change them to stick out just enough.
This example simply shows that names are very important to us when it comes to instances of types.
When it comes to the specific types (e.g. types of technology) themselves however, we tend not to care that much what names we use to classify the different things with. Since many of these things stem from science (discovery) we might lack prior art and have settled with the fact that "new stuff will yields new names". Our perception of the new stuff is formed by what it can do for us (after having seen or read about it) and so "strange" names like Turbo, Laser, Gasoline, Homo sapien etc. get established and recognized by many as types.
What would help tremendously though when naming new stuff (types) would be to look at the traits of the concept and pick a name communicating the intent of the type. This would help people quickly pick up what the thing is about and speed up awareness immensely.
E.g. Say you invented a strap which you could tie around a dog's neck and also attach a leach to. Now instead of giving that thing a name like Smorgasbord, wouldn't a name like Dog Collar be easier to remember? Wouldn't it also convey better the intent of the device to people not yet familiar with this new thing? The concept collar is already familiar for most people and to distinguish this new type variant from the one humans use, adding the type name of the intended wearer will avoid any confusion in the morning.
So, is Joomla a good name? Perhaps not. Will it be catastrophic? perhaps not. Could a better name have resulted in wider awareness in shorter time? Personally I think so.
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Trademark the fucking name before you get in bed with companies who you might need to fork from.
See, Linus was smart. Which is why we call it Linux, and not Joomix or SCOnix.
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I dig XML as much as the next guy, and use it in a number of my software projects, BUT ONLY WHEN IT MATTERS
I keep hearing this vague shit about markup for mobile devices, etc. But, really, HTML 3/4 works fine, it's easy to code by hand, etc.
XHTML is dead, good riddance.
Your hybrid is not saving the environment. Its purpose is to make you feel good about buying something.
Is that anything like an ATM machine?
-- "Have you ever seen your own brain?"
Yahoo! has the patent on using punctuation in trademarks as a business method to create simulated excitement in otherwise independent reviews wherever they mention the name of the product being reviewd.
The core developers of Mambo have decided to continue the codebase under a new name. Mambo Foundation still owns Mambo and will continue development. You can argue about which one is the fork all you want, but the fact remains that there's still a fork. That's not good for open source adoption in business.
No, this is not a mistake, but intentional. In the spirit of GNU which stands for "GNU's Not Unix", GPL might just as well be "GPL Public License". These are recursive abbreviations, whereas "ATM machine" is a redundant abbreviation :)
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
That's the beauty of it.
You can do ANYTHING at Joomla Com ......
Dang... they rejected my suggestion to name it CFKAM - "CMS formerly known as Mambo"... :)
The friendliest digital photography forums on the net!
http://www.zombo.com...
thought it fit the mood... =)
But they should... 'cause humans are animals too.
hahahaha!
Don't forget about Ajuba! http://wiki.tcl.tk/912 - the once-formerly-new-name of TCL/TK's company website, which was a better name: Scriptics.org, which changed yet again from Ajuba, to the now much-more sensible http://www.tcl.tk/
hahahaha! Where do these OTHER geeks get all these damn stupid names from?????
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Please don't assume those two sites are representative of the results of even a moderate amount of effort with mambo / joomla. It's pretty easy to do much better work with very little effort -- see the mambo or joomla sites for some (much less grey) examples.
everything in moderation
Nice plug, and much less idiotic than the mambo-ron GGP poster, but what differentiates a "content management system" from a "content management framework?" The feature lists of mambo/joomla and typo3 seem pretty much identical.
Neither seems as capable as, say, metadot (which allows "gizmos" written in actual perl, not PHP, to be dropped in to do anything.) Sorry, no website to plug -- google it.
everything in moderation
I will take that advice. Thanks! I guess the *-Nuke variants have fallen out of favor over mambo & joomla? Or maybe they are very different products altogether?
Oh I wouldn't say either of those are very true. The *nukes are good too. I really don't care much for either, though I've used both to some success. They're similar products, all PHP-based, with similar communities and support/add-ins available.
:) See the cms comparison tool someone posted in this thread for detailed comparisons of all of them.
Mambo/joomla maybe a little easier to set-up and use for newbies, but maybe a tad less flexible. I'm a fan of metadot myself because it's perl instead of PHP and I like the gizmo architecture -- but I'm a masochist that way.
everything in moderation
I have noticed a lot of sites using Drupal myself. It seems to have a solid and well supported user-base...
Over at OSM (A.K.A. Looney-Tunes Central) they proudly announced that a global branding company was going to help them find their identity - I bet that company is now scurrying to hide theirs!
Joomla reminds me of so many funny things; a kids card game where if you get 18 clueless developers you cry Joomla! Or a Zulu dance where lithe African men jump into the air with their arms outstretched, but their balls knock together and it makes them cry "Joomla!" (Trans. "Gee my nuts hurt!"). Or a scene from the Lion King where Nala spies young Simba about to step in a pile of Elephant crap and cries "Simba, watch out for that Joomla!"
Is it just me, or is there nowhere on the planet to download Joomla? I scoured the joomla.org website and support sites but they only offer templates and modules. Mambo is still available everywhere.