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You mean like https://addons.palemoon.org/ex... ?

forget 'the year of linux'.. 2016 might just be 'the year of pale moon'.. IF (and this is probably a really, really big 'if') they can manage the code and updates and security all by themselves while firefox diverges too far to be a useful upstream. perhaps even to the point of hosting their own addon site as mozilla's addon site goes to hell (err, i mean gets chromified). seamonkey is still around too, and that may see an uptick in users as well. and don't count on firefox esr, even mozilla's own site shames you for running an 'out of date' browser when you go there using the latest version of esr.

I've been frustrated with Chrome's greed lately and would love an alternative.

Palemoon, Vivaldi, Brave, Waterfox, Maxthon

Make the switch to Palemoon. Fully customizable as Firefox once was before they started copying Chrome, and they're not getting rid of XUL either, offered a 64-bit Windows build long before FF, plus it is kept secure and up to date, and has an Android version that syncs with the desktop one. Firefox meanwhile keeps playing around with the UI and adding unnecessary bloat that would be better served as optional extensions for those who want them.

Oh shit! There's a Linux version now!

Make the switch to Palemoon. Fully customizable as Firefox once was before they started copying Chrome, and they're not getting rid of XUL either, offered a 64-bit Windows build long before FF, plus it is kept secure and up to date, and has an Android version that syncs with the desktop one. Firefox meanwhile keeps playing around with the UI and adding unnecessary bloat that would be better served as optional extensions for those who want them.

or Firefox is forked.

You might have a look at Pale Moon.

Mozilla is no longer what it used to be - one that placed users first. All they've been doing is dicking around with the UI, and getting rid of all the customizability that attracted people to it in the first place(XUL and XPCOM support is going away - so many popular extensions that modify the interface and add features are going to go away), to make it a pale copy of Chrome. The only browser today that follows the charter of the original Mozilla is Pale Moon, which was forked off Firefox 24 and will continue to support XUL and proper extensions, and provide a full blown desktop UI instead of a dumbed down touchscreen/mobile friendly one.

Hey Asa, if you wanted to make your shitty browser useful, why don't you make this system point people to palemoon.org?

Then you'd have something.

Be prepared to kiss goodbye to the XUL based extensions that made Firefox popular in the first place as they deprecate it and slowly turn it into a copy of Chrome.
Or try Palemoon, which is what Firefox would be if they had stayed honest to their original goal of putting user choice first.

At this point, the only way to get a Firefox that doesn't suck would be to re-fork Pale Moon

Oh well, there's always Pale Moon

The Beast stumbled in the dark for it could no longer see the path. It started to fracture and weaken, trying to reshape itself into the form of metal.
Even the witches would no longer lay eyes upon it, for it had become hideous and twisted.

The soul of the Beast seemed lost forever.

Then, by the full moon's light, a child was born; a child with the unbridled soul of the Beast that would make all others pale in comparison.

from the Chronicles of the Pale Moon, 24:2

If you miss the old Firefox before they fucked up with the Australis UI, give Palemoon a try. It's a modern browser optimized for traditional desktop usage, built with a modern compiler and forked off from Firefox (i.e. it is not just a rebuild of the same source code as some others like Waterfox are) with a few unique features and extensions of its own.

The Beast stumbled in the dark for it could no longer see the path. It started to fracture and weaken, trying to reshape itself into the form of metal.
Even the witches would no longer lay eyes upon it, for it had become hideous and twisted.

The soul of the Beast seemed lost forever.

Then, by the full moon's light, a child was born; a child with the unbridled soul of the Beast that would make all others pale in comparison.

from the Chronicles of the Pale Moon, 24:2

If you miss the old Firefox before they fucked up with the Australis UI, give Palemoon a try. It's a modern browser optimized for traditional desktop usage, built with a modern compiler and forked off from Firefox (i.e. it is not just a rebuild of the same source code as some others like Waterfox are) with a few unique features and extensions of its own.

Please consider making it available for Pale Moon, an independently developed fork of Firefox that plans to retain XUL and everything else that made proper extensions possible. I'm not affiliated with them in any way, but I use it regularly and it is quite fast, provides a native 64-bit build and is less of a memory hog than FF.

I don't know what to make of it, but I recently saw this topic in the Pale Moon forums.

For those who don't know, Pale Moon is a fork of Firefox that tries to undo some of the controversial changes that Mozilla has made lately. Pale Moon is seeing rapid adoption, while Firefox's market share has been dropping.

The topic is vague, but it claims that at least one of the Pale Moon developers was 'contacted by Mozilla with the request to "police" our forum'.

I don't see the actual request itself disclosed, and I don't see any details about who made this request. So I really don't know what to think or believe.

Can anyone shed some light on this incident and what might be happening?

Somebody with an account (sorry I don't have one) should submit this story to Slashdot. This is the kind of stuff that should be reported on the front page here.

I don't know what to make of it, but I recently saw this topic in the Pale Moon forums.

For those who don't know, Pale Moon is a fork of Firefox that tries to undo some of the controversial changes that Mozilla has made lately. Pale Moon is seeing rapid adoption, while Firefox's market share has been dropping.

The topic is vague, but it claims that at least one of the Pale Moon developers was 'contacted by Mozilla with the request to "police" our forum'.

I don't see the actual request itself disclosed, and I don't see any details about who made this request. So I really don't know what to think or believe.

Can anyone shed some light on this incident and what might be happening?

Somebody with an account (sorry I don't have one) should submit this story to Slashdot. This is the kind of stuff that should be reported on the front page here.

I haven't seen anyone pitch Pale Moon so far, so here goes. I've been using it since it first came out and have no complaints. It is what Firefox used to be.

Firefox does not run smoother than Pale Moon, who by the way has forked Gecko as well as Firefox.

From the forum:
"Allow me to further clarify .. ONE AGAIN.. Our future and whatever path we take is going to still have specific requirements and parameters. It is gonna be a mozilla-like codebase.. It is gonna have a gecko-like rendering engine (Goanna) it will have XUL, XBL, all the technologies everyone wants and needs. What this will not be is a trident shell, a webkit shell, a blink shell, or whatever servo is gonna be.. No, does not and would not support all the bits of technology to be a product we and you could use and be proud of. If you think this is gonna happen.. Just stop because it isn't going to ever be that. So get that out of your heads."

http://forum.palemoon.org/view...

Are there any promising browsers in the works? One that isn't developed by complete fucktards?

I like PaleMoon. Basically a "pre-Australis" fork of Firefox, where the developer pledged to leave the UI alone as much as possible ( And also to keep the existing extension model working. )

Have a read through the release notes to check the "level of fucktardness", which I personally would place at "very low" ;-) : https://www.palemoon.org/relea...

Wrong.

x86 SSE2 CPUs
https://www.palemoon.org/palem...

x86 SSE CPUs
http://forum.palemoon.org/view...

Both run on XP.

Wrong.

x86 SSE2 CPUs
https://www.palemoon.org/palem...

x86 SSE CPUs
http://forum.palemoon.org/view...

Both run on XP.

https://linux.palemoon.org/

And as I regularly do, just going to remind everyone that there IS a Linux build available. It might not have the sexy installer but it's easy to install and update anyway.

Chrome won't allow for it, neither will Pale Moon.

Yes it will. Tree-Style Tabs. I've been using it for the last year at least.

https://addons.palemoon.org/re...

(It says "incompatible" but most of them either have an interim patched version, or you can run a slightly older FF version)

Right!

# apt-get install palemoon Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package palemoon

Pale Moon on Debian Jessie:

echo "deb http://main.mepis-deb.org/mepi... mepis12cr test" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mepis.list
apt-get update
apt-get install palemoon

If you're running a 'buntu variant, add the ppa: https://launchpad.net/~marian....

If you're on some other Linux variant, (or on Debian or 'buntu for that matter), just run the install script available here: https://linux.palemoon.org/dow...

Really, it's not that hard. Hell, there's even a special version for the Raspberry Pi.

That's why I use Pale Moon. It's FireFox without the bloat. And it's also available in a 64-bit version.

Just commenting on this so the parent AC post becomes visible - more people need to know about Pale Moon. I use it too - installed it after FF came out with that Australis shit and I decided I'd had enough of Mozilla's attitude problem.

If enough users adopt Pale Moon, the developer may have enough sufficient resources to keep it alive, security updates and all, when FF inevitably goes down the drain around which it is circling more closely with each passing release.

That's why I use Pale Moon. It's FireFox without the bloat. And it's also available in a 64-bit version.

And Mozilla is officially a hate group now. You can say what you want about Pale Moon, but stealing money and code? Mozilla, seriously? https://twitter.com/EmpireConw... http://forum.palemoon.org/view...

Try a Firefox clone like Palemoon http://www.palemoon.org/ . The flexibility of Firefox but without the would-be Chrome UI crap.

Is Pale Moon fixed? I don't see any mention of that.

We switched to Pale Moon and are now not having problems with the instability of Firefox when there are many windows and tabs open. Since Pale Moon is based on Firefox, most of the Firefox add-ons work.

In the past, Google paid Mozilla Foundation $300 million each year to make Google search the default search engine in Firefox. Google apparently didn't cause problems, even though it paid a shocking amount.

Now, I understand, Mozilla Foundation gets most of its money from Microsoft. Microsoft pays Yahoo. Yahoo pays Mozilla Foundation to make "Yahoo search" (actually mostly Microsoft Bing search) the default search engine in Firefox.

The Thunderbird and SeaMonkey Composer GUIs have been damaged, apparently deliberately. File saves in the newer versions of both ask for a new file name, and don't suggest the last one chosen. The damage was reported several months ago, but has not been fixed.

Is that another example of Microsoft's Embrace, Extend, Extinguish? People who feel forced away from Thunderbird may choose Microsoft software to replace it. Is that something Microsoft is trying to accomplish?

In my opinion, dishonest people should not be employed in management. In my opinion, the managers and members of the board of directors of both Microsoft and Mozilla Foundation who approved the dishonesty of sneakily re-configuring Mozilla Foundation products should be immediately fired, and not allowed to have management positions in the future.

Mozilla Foundation may be desperate now that it has lost the incredible amount of money paid by Google.

A few of the many, many articles about abuse by Microsoft:

Microsoft has no plans to tell us what's in Windows patches. Each update is a black box, and it's going to stay that way.

Leaks show that Microsoft writes release notes, so why can't it publish them? The lack of documentation of Windows' updates is a baffling move on Microsoft's part.

Microsoft's Software is Malware. Malware means software designed to function in ways that mistreat or harm the user.

How Can Any Company Ever Trust Microsoft Again?

NSA Backdoor Exploit in Windows 8 Uncovered

Microsoft Gave the NSA Direct Backdoor Access to Outlook, Skype

Microsoft [lack of] Privacy Statement

Here's how to Block Windows 10 "Spying"

Pale Moon is a version of the Firefox code without a lot of the managerial mistakes made by Mozilla Foundation. Pale Moon has a 64-bit edition that in my experience is far more stable than Firefox. Firefox has memory hogging and subsequent instability that causes it to crash when there are many windows and tabs open.

Usually Firefox add-ons work perfectly with Pale Moon.

Pale Moon has tools for migration from Firefox and for backup. Adblock Latitude blocks ads. There are other Pale Moon add-ons.

Nice add-on for both Firefox and Pale Moon: The Open Link in... add-on provides an "Open Link in Background Tab" option that is good for deciding which Slashdot stories you want to read later.

Pale Moon is a version of the Firefox code without a lot of the managerial mistakes made by Mozilla Foundation. Pale Moon has a 64-bit edition that in my experience is far more stable than Firefox. Firefox has memory hogging and subsequent instability that causes it to crash when there are many windows and tabs open.

Usually Firefox add-ons work perfectly with Pale Moon.

Pale Moon has tools for migration from Firefox and for backup. Adblock Latitude blocks ads. There are other Pale Moon add-ons.

Nice add-on for both Firefox and Pale Moon: The Open Link in... add-on provides an "Open Link in Background Tab" option that is good for deciding which Slashdot stories you want to read later.

Pale Moon is a version of the Firefox code without a lot of the managerial mistakes made by Mozilla Foundation. Pale Moon has a 64-bit edition that in my experience is far more stable than Firefox. Firefox has memory hogging and subsequent instability that causes it to crash when there are many windows and tabs open.

Usually Firefox add-ons work perfectly with Pale Moon.

Pale Moon has tools for migration from Firefox and for backup. Adblock Latitude blocks ads. There are other Pale Moon add-ons.

Nice add-on for both Firefox and Pale Moon: The Open Link in... add-on provides an "Open Link in Background Tab" option that is good for deciding which Slashdot stories you want to read later.

Even Pale Moon has forked Gecko, not just Firefox.

WaterFox doesn't make changes aside from being a 64-bit build, as far as I know. It's basically a 64-bit build using the Intel C compiler with the optimizations flag turned up to 11.
It will eventually get this "update".

I'm currently evaluating http://www.palemoon.org/ as my personal Firefox replacement. The workstations I'm responsible for will get Chrome by default, and not Firefox. (Along with IE/Edge/Safari.)

I'm 100% done with Mozilla, and I expect the organization to go under by the end of 2018.

palemoon.org does.

Just don't subscribe to anything -- every page requires you to grant it permission.

No, it requires more than that. According to Mozilla themselves, "Firefox maintains an active connection to a push service in order to receive push messages as long as it is open." Supposedly the connection is encrypted and anonymized, but you'll have to take their word on it and anyway, it's another potentially-vulnerable service running in the background. So it's not just a matter of "don't subscribe and you'll be safe"; there needs to be a way to disable this service entirely.

Oh wait... there is.

Except as TFS points out they are killing the plug in framework thus making their transformation into a shitty ersatz Chrome complete.

If you wish to keep your extensions I suggest you migrate to either Pale Moon or Comodo Icedragon as both of those have forked away and will be keeping the extension framework. The main difference is that Icedragon has the new style UI, Pale Moon has kept the original FF UI, so you can simply pick which UI suits you best and call it a day.

To me, the most important feature of Firefox is the add-ons. I like Session Manager, for example.

Question about Firefox: Microsoft's Process Explorer shows that Firefox uses the CPU while no Firefox windows are in the foreground. Why? Firefox's CPU use is especially intense when many windows and tabs are open. Also Process Explorer shows that often Firefox continually adds memory to its "Private Bytes" and "Working Set", even when there is no Again, why?

Someone above mentioned Pale Moon. Pale Moon has a 64-bit edition.

Joke:
Instead of browser.pocket.enabled = false in Firefox, try:
browser.adult.supervision.enabled = true in Pale Moon. (Not a real Pale Moon choice, of course.)

Pale Moon has tools for backup and migration. Adblock Latitude blocks ads. There are other Pale Moon ad-ons, and usually Firefox add-ons work perfectly.

"Pale Moon Commander ... provides a user-friendly interface to advanced preferences that would otherwise require manual editing of parameters, which can be cumbersome and time-consuming to do."

To me, the most important feature of Firefox is the add-ons. I like Session Manager, for example.

Question about Firefox: Microsoft's Process Explorer shows that Firefox uses the CPU while no Firefox windows are in the foreground. Why? Firefox's CPU use is especially intense when many windows and tabs are open. Also Process Explorer shows that often Firefox continually adds memory to its "Private Bytes" and "Working Set", even when there is no Again, why?

Someone above mentioned Pale Moon. Pale Moon has a 64-bit edition.

Joke:
Instead of browser.pocket.enabled = false in Firefox, try:
browser.adult.supervision.enabled = true in Pale Moon. (Not a real Pale Moon choice, of course.)

Pale Moon has tools for backup and migration. Adblock Latitude blocks ads. There are other Pale Moon ad-ons, and usually Firefox add-ons work perfectly.

"Pale Moon Commander ... provides a user-friendly interface to advanced preferences that would otherwise require manual editing of parameters, which can be cumbersome and time-consuming to do."

To me, the most important feature of Firefox is the add-ons. I like Session Manager, for example.

Question about Firefox: Microsoft's Process Explorer shows that Firefox uses the CPU while no Firefox windows are in the foreground. Why? Firefox's CPU use is especially intense when many windows and tabs are open. Also Process Explorer shows that often Firefox continually adds memory to its "Private Bytes" and "Working Set", even when there is no Again, why?

Someone above mentioned Pale Moon. Pale Moon has a 64-bit edition.

Joke:
Instead of browser.pocket.enabled = false in Firefox, try:
browser.adult.supervision.enabled = true in Pale Moon. (Not a real Pale Moon choice, of course.)

Pale Moon has tools for backup and migration. Adblock Latitude blocks ads. There are other Pale Moon ad-ons, and usually Firefox add-ons work perfectly.

"Pale Moon Commander ... provides a user-friendly interface to advanced preferences that would otherwise require manual editing of parameters, which can be cumbersome and time-consuming to do."

I don't think it'll help, they burned too many bridges with their "fuck the users!" attitude they've had these past several years. I know that FF was the #1 browser for my customers for several years and since Australis every.single.one has asked me to help them move to something else or gone to Chrome. I don't even bother packing FF in to my default install package anymore, they keep screwing with things so much they leave a bad taste in my customer's mouths.

Instead for those that use extensions or just prefer the originalk FF UI I offer them the choice of Pale Moon or Ice Dragon, Ice Dragon is a little more secure since it can integrate with Comodo IS to auto sandbox on launch while Pale Moon is more like old school Firefox but both are really good browsers.

But sadly I just don't see FF coming back, they have peed in their corn flake one time too many and alienated so many users I just don't see them being able to lure them back, not to mention it looks like Mozilla is about to get fucked by Yahoo with rumors pointing to Yahoo selling off most of their core assets, possibly even selling off everything and shutting down. I think if that happens they are just fucked, as nobody is gonna pay the hundreds of millions they got from Google and Yahoo for their search, not with numbers as low as they are.

Part of me wonders what prompted this change.

Pale Moon does not have telemetry at all, and Do-Not-Track is useless.

FossaMail is a fork of Thunderbird made by the Pale Moon guys.

You are using Pale Moon instead of Firefox, aren't you?

PaleMoon for Android:

The Android version does not currently have a developer/team assigned to it due to lack of resources in the Pale Moon team, and we can currently, at most, provide security updates without further development or bugfixes.

We do not have the resources or Android-specific expertise to keep pace with the rapid developments of the Android OS to provide a usable and suitable browser alternative on all common versions of that platform or the latest hardware. If you think you can help out by picking up development of the Android browser, then please get in touch with us!

Not gonna happen, in fact they are gonna keep shooting themselves in the face. They are gonna go with the big double barrel for the next one by remove XUL and thus remove the extensions from Firefox leaving a half hearted crippled system no better than in Chrome. Remember extensions AKA the only fucking reason anybody uses Firefox anymore? Yeah they are gonna kill them and run off the devs, smart huh?

For those of us that have said loud and clear the current direction is a DO NOT WANT there is a very good clear alternative, and that is Pale Moon. You don't want Australis? No worries as they are forked away and will never bring that shit in. Want extensions? No worries as they have announced they WILL be keeping them and have reached out to devs to support PM and for the extensions that don't they are compiling their own versions. Want 64 bit? A Linux version? Need a browser that supports XP? No worries, no worries, no worries..

If you are tired of watching Mozilla destroy itself like a slow motion trainwreck? Come on over to Pale Moon. I've been using it for a couple years and its rock solid, well maintained, its like what Firefox USED to be before they started becoming a shitty ersatz Chrome.

Try Pale Moon http://www.palemoon.org/

Check out Pale Moon http://www.palemoon.org/ to replace Firefox. If you really want Chrome go with Chromium.