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One last time, see rule # 1.

https://www.pea.com/blog/posts...

Or from the AOPA https://www.aopa.org/news-and-...

OR gives practical examples of what happens when you don't http://iflyamerica.org/safety_...

Even NASA agrees with me, and I'm no rocket scientist. https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/...

Pay close attention to the conclusions in the PDF where it clearly indicates that ATC conversations are a hindrance to task management, not a help, and clearly justifies my reluctance to engage them in conversation when struggling to come to terms with how to keep my aircraft safe.

Again, I'm no great pilot, never claimed to be one, in fact I'm a pretty poor one having very little experience. The guys in that Boeing went from about 7,000 Feet to the ground in less than two min. They had their hands full of airplane. The publicly available flight data shows a rapid descent with a pretty healthy heading change to the right. They didn't have TIME to communicate and if you where in the cockpit you'd not either. This wasn't some gentle lazy maneuver as they lost control this was a sudden change into unusual attitude which I'm sure they where struggling to correct, while trying diagnose the reasons it was happening. 120 to 180 seconds is all they apparently had, and it wasn't enough. And you think they should have had time to get out a mayday call or two? Then there is my original point, that they MAY have tried, but on a congested approach frequency in an unusual attitude it may be nobody heard them. So there are many reasons other than a major structural or even electrical failure to account for the lack of a mayday call.

But at this point, we are both guessing. So Call me back when the NTSB publishes their final report and you where right... Until then, I'm done debating basic pilot training with you.

Pre-flight is about a 30-minute process, most flight planning is already done for them, and maybe an international pilot would spend about 3 hours combined going from cockpit to hotel room and hotel room back to airport. If a pilot is spending 150 hours in a simulator they are getting a type rating or qualifying on a new aircraft which can take over a month.

So the average pilot is obtaining a type rating or qualifying on new aircraft 12 times per year? Because, and let's process this carefully, the average pilot works an additional 150 hours per month performing other duties. So sayeth them, them, them, and them, for example. These guys definitely disagree with your expressed sentiment that '150 non-flying duty hours is exceptional.'

Here's a thought: they could try paying pilots decently, and giving them reasonable work schedules.

I know, that's crazy talk.

The starting wage for a pilot at a major carrier is $70-80 an hour with the ability to have a contractually guaranteed minimum of 70-80 hours a month.

So, why does the first hit on my google search for "starting pay for airline pilots" say "Starting Salaries. A regional airline pilots in the U.S. typically starts out making an hourly rate of $20 – $50 per hour, or about $20,000-$40,000 per year, depending on the airline, type of aircraft, and the pilot's experience level."

with the ability to have a contractually guaranteed minimum of 70-80 hours a month.

...and, as the very same page on my google search helpfully tells me, "The average airline pilot logs 75 hours a month in the air and sometimes up to 150 hours per month performing ground duties like simulator training, maintaining records, performing pre-flight inspections, flight planning and traveling to and from hotels and airports."

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Explain your maths please, $20 - $50 is $40,000 - $100,000 for 40 hour weeks, so hows $40k at $50/hr work at 150 hours a month of whatever on top of flight time? Anyone can find random numbers on the Internet, but if they are not coherent...

Here's a thought: they could try paying pilots decently, and giving them reasonable work schedules.

I know, that's crazy talk.

The starting wage for a pilot at a major carrier is $70-80 an hour with the ability to have a contractually guaranteed minimum of 70-80 hours a month.

So, why does the first hit on my google search for "starting pay for airline pilots" say "Starting Salaries. A regional airline pilots in the U.S. typically starts out making an hourly rate of $20 – $50 per hour, or about $20,000-$40,000 per year, depending on the airline, type of aircraft, and the pilot's experience level."

with the ability to have a contractually guaranteed minimum of 70-80 hours a month.

...and, as the very same page on my google search helpfully tells me, "The average airline pilot logs 75 hours a month in the air and sometimes up to 150 hours per month performing ground duties like simulator training, maintaining records, performing pre-flight inspections, flight planning and traveling to and from hotels and airports."

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This is old data, but: http://www.pea.com/imd/airline-pilot-salary.asp

There was nothing around $17k/yr. Do you happen to have any reference for what you're claiming, or are you making up stats on the spot to prove your point?

I don't know whats wrong with them. It is just that it costs more to give more and we are talking about the costs.

It looks like if you have been there 10 years and received promotions to captian you are being paid a lot of money. I can see $100 per hour because it is specialized work after all. But some of the pilots make over $200 per hour. What is that going to do for the cost of a 6 hour flight? Well, probably nothing because all the other stuff adds up to a lot larger sum.

Soon they'll have nothing left to do at all..

But they'll still be collecting salaries in the 100-200k range.