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I think the estimated 270 million victims of islam would probably disagree, had any of them survived:

http://www.politicalislam.com/...

Falling back on calling me an anti-semite for my cut and paste example of your own words is hilarious

False, it was a cut n paste with an ideology replaced by a race. Changes everything. Too bad you are too idiotic to notice.

could have done without you wanking it all over this page with that bio

I never started with that bio. I was forced to do so because you perpetually accused me of being an 'undergraduate'. It was not me tossing off at all - I was forced to show my credentials because you kept denying reality. That reality is you don't know squat about the Scientific Method and even if you did you probably wouldn't apply it. Your prejudices are already set and you filter out all counter evidence - this is clear.

Give it a few years and those places will probably look a lot more politically like Turkey - they are already a million miles away from Iran's theocracy and show no signs of going that way. So your "political islam" IMHO makes no more sense than saying "political christians".

This shows how ignorant you are. You clearly don't understand the Islamicist agenda at all. Turkey is a bad example, what was once a secular country has been turning more and more Islamic. Look at the false Ergenekon trials as the Islamists purge resistance to their agenda with false charges show trials. Look at the AKP slowly but surely dismantling the secular state. Time will tell, but the words of the Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan are something you should take heed of, “There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”.

Also your bit about pretending Islam is a form of politics is a ridiculous waste of words since you cannot possibly be that stupid as to believe it, especially with Syria etc going on now.

Nope. From this statement it is clear that *you* are living in a pipedream. The fundamental characteristic of Islam compared to other religions is that Islam is explicitly a "total system" (as in, totalitarian) and has always been political.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_aspects_of_Islam
http://www.politicalislam.com/principles/pages/five-principles/
http://www.politicalislam.com/

Your assertion is ridiculous. Islam is political because there can never be a separation of mosque and state and still be true Islam. What has happened is that there have been all sorts of republics with Muslim majorities - but this is not the same as Islamic republics.

Falling back on calling me an anti-semite for my cut and paste example of your own words is hilarious

False, it was a cut n paste with an ideology replaced by a race. Changes everything. Too bad you are too idiotic to notice.

could have done without you wanking it all over this page with that bio

I never started with that bio. I was forced to do so because you perpetually accused me of being an 'undergraduate'. It was not me tossing off at all - I was forced to show my credentials because you kept denying reality. That reality is you don't know squat about the Scientific Method and even if you did you probably wouldn't apply it. Your prejudices are already set and you filter out all counter evidence - this is clear.

Give it a few years and those places will probably look a lot more politically like Turkey - they are already a million miles away from Iran's theocracy and show no signs of going that way. So your "political islam" IMHO makes no more sense than saying "political christians".

This shows how ignorant you are. You clearly don't understand the Islamicist agenda at all. Turkey is a bad example, what was once a secular country has been turning more and more Islamic. Look at the false Ergenekon trials as the Islamists purge resistance to their agenda with false charges show trials. Look at the AKP slowly but surely dismantling the secular state. Time will tell, but the words of the Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan are something you should take heed of, “There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”.

Also your bit about pretending Islam is a form of politics is a ridiculous waste of words since you cannot possibly be that stupid as to believe it, especially with Syria etc going on now.

Nope. From this statement it is clear that *you* are living in a pipedream. The fundamental characteristic of Islam compared to other religions is that Islam is explicitly a "total system" (as in, totalitarian) and has always been political.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_aspects_of_Islam
http://www.politicalislam.com/principles/pages/five-principles/
http://www.politicalislam.com/

Your assertion is ridiculous. Islam is political because there can never be a separation of mosque and state and still be true Islam. What has happened is that there have been all sorts of republics with Muslim majorities - but this is not the same as Islamic republics.

Israelis are systematically killing Palestinians to take their land, and doing so with biblical justifications.

The Israelis have killed fewer Arabs than the Arabs in surrounding nations.

Hama massacre
1970: Civil war breaks out in Jordan

Bush the Younger referred to the war on terror as a "Crusade."

A figure of speech, not a declaration of Holy War - the United States has no provision for that.

There's no way of telling how many innocent Iraqis and Afghans have been killed by Christian soldiers because of their beliefs. . .

The total dead in Iraq during the US invasion, occupation, and prior to departure is something on the order of 120,000 people killed. Of those, the vast majority were killed by Shia death squads and Al Qaeda terrorists. So, Muslims killed far more Muslims for purely religious reasons than any possible number killed by the Coalition forces. This is especially true since the Coalition soldiers would have only generally killed people directly engaged in terrorism or combat. So, the number killed by Coalition soldiers (who were of many different faiths, including Islam) only for being Muslim is probably very small, next to nothing.

but some elements of the U.S. Military have certainly encouraged the mass murder of innocent civilians based on the fact that they were Muslims: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/09/lawsuit-total-war-islam/

You do realize that was 1 (one) man, right? Describing that 1 (one) man as "elements of the US Military" is a pretty extravagant description.

If anything, I think the religious killings by Christians and Jews are probably greater in number than those by Muslims. They aren't reported on in the same way - if you live in the U.S., you'll never see the U.S. or Israel accused of genocide by the media - but they're there whether you hear about them or not.

You're joking?

Tears of Jihad - These figures are a rough estimate of the death of non-Muslims by the political act of jihad

Tears of Jihad

This gives a rough estimate of 270 million killed by jihad.

By my recollection / estimate, 270 million is far, far more than were killed in all of the above wars.

Other than the Crusades, which were a defensive reaction against Islamic invasion and conquest, none of those wars was motivated by religion. On the other hand, Jihad is still with us.

So, you see who is the violent , blood thirsty and warmonger?

Tears of Jihad

I think your history teachers have really glossed over the whole slave trade part during colonisation era. It made muslim-done enslaving look like employing unionised people.

Tears of Jihad

These figures are a rough estimate of the death of non-Muslims by the political act of jihad.

Africa

Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East. For every slave captured many others died. Estimates of this collateral damage vary. The renowned missionary David Livingstone estimated that for every slave who reached a plantation, five others were killed in the initial raid or died of illness and privation on the forced march.[Woman’s Presbyterian Board of Missions, David Livingstone, p. 62, 1888] Those who were left behind were the very young, the weak, the sick and the old. These soon died since the main providers had been killed or enslaved. So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa.

120 million Africans

Because when islam was the progressive religion driving greatest scientific minds of its time, christian Europe was hell bent on killing and enslaving as many muslims as possible. Crusading was a great way to earn money, fame and reputation. Read about that stuff sometime.

Let's see what some other sources say:

'Tyranny of Clichés' Excerpt: The Truth About the Crusades

. . . Until fairly recently, historically speaking, Muslims used to brag about being the winners of the Crusades, not the victims of it. That is if they talked about them at all. “The Crusades could more accurately be described as a limited, belated and, in the last analysis, ineff ectual response to the jihad—a failed attempt to recover by a Christian holy war what had been lost to a Muslim holy war,” writes Bernard Lewis, the greatest living historian of Islam in the English language (and perhaps any language).5 Historian Thomas Madden puts it more directly, “Now put this down in your notebook, because it will be on the test: The crusades were in every way a defensive war. They were the West’s belated response to the Muslim conquest of fully two-thirds of the Christian world.”6

At first the larger Muslim world didn’t much care about the Christian reclamation of Jerusalem and the Holy Land. The jihad to repel the crusaders didn’t start in earnest until the European forces pressed on into the Muslim Holy Lands approaching Mecca and Medina. Even then the Muslim world considered the fight to reclaim Jerusalem a sideshow. The real fight was in the East, where caliphs were rolling up victory after victory in the old Byzantine Empire. In 1291, the Muslims expelled the last of the crusaders, and all remaining Christians and Jews in the Islamic world lived as second-class citizens (though often better than Muslims or Jews might have in many parts of Christendom). By the sixteenth century, Islam’s empire covered all of North Africa, Asia Minor, Arabia, and much of southern Europe. Had Islamic forces not been turned back outside the Gates of Vienna, Christianity itself may not have survived. (The battle ended in victory for the Christians on September 12, but it was the day before, marking the apex of Muslim rule, that would stick in the minds of many Muslims for the next 318 years.)
   

The Truth about Islamic Crusades and Imperialism

The Status of Non-Muslim Minorities Under Islamic Rule

The Golden Age of Islam is a Myth

Islam has a reeeeeeeeeeally long way to go if it actually wants to even compete for #1. Even discounting WW1 and WW2, christians have long held the trophy, and they're not going to be relinquishing it any time soon.

a rough estimate of 270 million killed by jihad.

The atheist Communists killed 100,000,000 people in the last 100 years.