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A comment some random person posted on a forum isn't "irrefutable proof".

How about this for proof...

For the USA index which takes into account only incident rate:
http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/man_index_2.html?country=usa&searchtype=relindex

For the UK index, which takes into account cost of repair and such:
http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/man_index_2.html?searchtype=relindex

In both charts lower scores are better.

If you compare the entire car Mitsubishi scores better than Chrysler.

If you compare only the engine, Chrysler scores better than Mitsubishi.

A comment some random person posted on a forum isn't "irrefutable proof".

How about this for proof...

For the USA index which takes into account only incident rate:
http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/man_index_2.html?country=usa&searchtype=relindex

For the UK index, which takes into account cost of repair and such:
http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/man_index_2.html?searchtype=relindex

In both charts lower scores are better.

If you compare the entire car Mitsubishi scores better than Chrysler.

If you compare only the engine, Chrysler scores better than Mitsubishi.

On what roads? Romania?

Take a look here:
http://www.topgear.com/content/carsurvey/2006/
and
http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/

See how Mercedes fares versus Toyota.
Mercedes is a long way from what it used to be.

When it comes to quality they know what they're doing, the management understand the value of getting it right. Of course by that I mean Japanese companies, rather than specifically japanese workers.

http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/tophundred.html? apc=3128339010848601

agreed, Jaguar is no longer impressive.

Jaguar's are one of the least reliable vehicles on the road.

A 0-60 time of low 6s is more the territory of low-end $30k luxury cars like the Infiniti G35 (second road test) than $80,000+ convertibles.

So why buy a Jag unless I'm trying to impress someone?

I also didn't like the quote:
""The clever bit is how you integrate, balance and harmonize separate systems that allow you to drive the car in a spirited way, but don't feel in any way in danger, overpowered and intimidated," said Martyn Hollingsworth, Jaguar's director of engineering. "This is real important when you are in a car approaching up to 400 horses.""

when the 2007 Jaguar XK really only has 300hp (second source)

...or maybe the Alfa and FIAT owners who responded to the Top Gear survey were just unlucky? either way I figure that statistics based on Waranty claims are more impartially representative than consumer surveys like the Top Gear one.

I mentioned this site in another comment further down, admittedly Alfas put in a pretty poor showing (they're sixth worst, ranked between such unreliable brands as SAAB and Landrover...) but by contrast FIATs do pretty well, some individual models (including the one I currently drive) have a reliability index to rival the marques in the top ten, and the overall score for the marque is roughly on a par with that of marques like Toyota, Volvo, Nissan, Volkswagen... the company historically have a bad rep for reliability but the numbers don't bear that out, it's more about perception of the brand than what their products are actually like.

...or maybe the Alfa and FIAT owners who responded to the Top Gear survey were just unlucky? either way I figure that statistics based on Waranty claims are more impartially representative than consumer surveys like the Top Gear one.

I mentioned this site in another comment further down, admittedly Alfas put in a pretty poor showing (they're sixth worst, ranked between such unreliable brands as SAAB and Landrover...) but by contrast FIATs do pretty well, some individual models (including the one I currently drive) have a reliability index to rival the marques in the top ten, and the overall score for the marque is roughly on a par with that of marques like Toyota, Volvo, Nissan, Volkswagen... the company historically have a bad rep for reliability but the numbers don't bear that out, it's more about perception of the brand than what their products are actually like.

This worries me - I really like FIATs and to date I've never owned or wanted to own a car built by another company - I've driven plenty, I just keep coming back to FIAT, partly because (in my personal experience) they're very reliable.

At this point those of you laughing and rushing to regurgite the "Fix It Again Tony" quips from the 70s might want to check your facts against the reliability index for some of the company's recent models - as an individual model my current car (built in 2001) scores better than the any of the over all makes in the top ten list - the (mis)perception of FIATs as unreliable simply doesn't match up with the records of their current cars.

Integrating my consumer electronics (cell phone, iPod, PDA etc) with my car is something I'm really keen on, but my experience of Microsoft products makes me deeply sceptical of this alliance. As someone else pointed out, it probably owes more to FIAT's financial woes and M$'s deep pockets than the merits of their system... here's hoping it remains a cost option I can avoid and that a decent 3rd party alternative surfaces before I next change my car.

This worries me - I really like FIATs and to date I've never owned or wanted to own a car built by another company - I've driven plenty, I just keep coming back to FIAT, partly because (in my personal experience) they're very reliable.

At this point those of you laughing and rushing to regurgite the "Fix It Again Tony" quips from the 70s might want to check your facts against the reliability index for some of the company's recent models - as an individual model my current car (built in 2001) scores better than the any of the over all makes in the top ten list - the (mis)perception of FIATs as unreliable simply doesn't match up with the records of their current cars.

Integrating my consumer electronics (cell phone, iPod, PDA etc) with my car is something I'm really keen on, but my experience of Microsoft products makes me deeply sceptical of this alliance. As someone else pointed out, it probably owes more to FIAT's financial woes and M$'s deep pockets than the merits of their system... here's hoping it remains a cost option I can avoid and that a decent 3rd party alternative surfaces before I next change my car.

This worries me - I really like FIATs and to date I've never owned or wanted to own a car built by another company - I've driven plenty, I just keep coming back to FIAT, partly because (in my personal experience) they're very reliable.

At this point those of you laughing and rushing to regurgite the "Fix It Again Tony" quips from the 70s might want to check your facts against the reliability index for some of the company's recent models - as an individual model my current car (built in 2001) scores better than the any of the over all makes in the top ten list - the (mis)perception of FIATs as unreliable simply doesn't match up with the records of their current cars.

Integrating my consumer electronics (cell phone, iPod, PDA etc) with my car is something I'm really keen on, but my experience of Microsoft products makes me deeply sceptical of this alliance. As someone else pointed out, it probably owes more to FIAT's financial woes and M$'s deep pockets than the merits of their system... here's hoping it remains a cost option I can avoid and that a decent 3rd party alternative surfaces before I next change my car.