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And the real problem as I continue to point out is that you should solve the equity problem before you remove people's means of livelihood -- not after you have disenfranchised and rendered them politically impotent as most certainly they have been by the globalists.

The federal government already auctions off spectrum in some cases-it used to just give it away. I see no reason why my taxes or yours should be higher so some fatcat can get cheap spectrum. Likewise, I see no reason why companies shouldn't pay the fair market value for the guest worker visas they want(and assume whatever risks are associated with having those workers in the US).

Secondly, there are no subsidies involved.

I suggest you take that up with Nobel prize winner economist Milton Friedman. Who told you it wasn't a subsidy?

According to the Labor Department, a company hiring an H1B is required to 1) determine the prevailing wage for the position, based on collective bargaining agreeements, government statistics, independent audit, etc; 2) determine the actual wage for the position, based on what the company pays people in the same or similar capacities with similar qualifications and experience; and 3) pay the H1B the higher of the two rates.

If you believe those regulations are enforcable-and that H-1b presence hasn't affected labor markets in the US, you are an absolute fool.

These foreign workers are already putting more tax money into the system than they're taking out.

Actually, recent immigration is associated with long term
economic deterioration.

As for your last point, H1Bs are not immigrants -- they are temporary workers.

The big reason for obtaining the H-1b visa is that it confers a 50% chance at a green card. If it weren't for that, the pool of workers interested in these programs would be much different-and smaller-and they would require fundamentally different compensation.

Once here they can pursue immigration, but that is not a given. Even if they do immigrate, we are talking about people who are highly educated, highly skilled, gainfully employed, productive and law-abiding members of our society -- exactly what every country in the world would like its citizens to be.

When I was at HP, a coworker that was attempting to get funding for a project was told by someone purporting to represent upper management that he could get him funding for his project on the condition that he agree only to hire H-1b workers from India. That simply isn't an example of "law abiding" citizens with whom I want to share a country.

I don't think
that "dilutes the value" of anyone's citizenship. Quite the contrary, I think it enriches our culture and makes all of us a little better off.

If you highly value local diversity, you may be better off. However, over 82 percent of the American public opposed expansion of that program. It took hundreds of missions of corporate donations to buy congress and override popular will. You are welcome to identify with that kind of process if you wish-but you should be aware of what you are doing here. I _can_ believe that 18% of the American public do have a value system by which they benefited here-but I'm clearly not in the 18%.

This is Congressional testimony from the Dept of Professional Employees...

Technology companies are laying off American workers from high-paying desirable jobs while they add thousands of jobs overseas. Corporations are shifting jobs in call centers, accounting, engineering, computer, and financial services offshore, among others.

Some local and state governments have even begun to outsource administrative jobs, which is an outrageous misuse of taxpayers' dollars.

The use of cheaper foreign labor has already had a negative impact on U.S. wages in certain sectors. According to Sharon Marsh Roberts, chair of the government relations committee of the Independent Computer Consultants Association, outsourcing has forced down hourly rates by 10 percent to 40 percent for many U.S. computer consultants .

If an advanced degree, years of experience, and excellent work habits are not enough to land a job, and the U.S. comparative advantage in services and high tech has seriously eroded, what does the future of work look like for the United States?

the rest of the testimony

On the harm of outsourcing to America. http://www.rescueamericanjobs.com

I wonder if this has anything to do with the amount of attition that has been occuring in the tech support industry in India as seen here. Or if the attacks on the H1-B visas is making corporations worried.

This really has to be the most disturbing bit of information I've heard in a long time, if it happens to be true. http://www.rescueamericanjobs.org/info/amazing.htm l Who else thinks its time the intelligent people take control of our country? I've got no problem with LEGAL immigrants, or even them working here. I do have a problem when they're only coming to replace native workers, even more so when we're bleeding from the jugular our higher level workforce. Why not replace cashiers first?

Harris Miller, by the way, the head of the ITAA. This is a
front organization for Bill Gates in Washington.
Harris Miller is not a tech expert, but an
immigration lawyer. He made his career lobbying
for importing more itinerant laborers to pick
crops. Impressed with his skills, the richest
people in America hired him to lobby for more H1-B
visas. Unfortuneately for American workers, he
suceeded. Norm Matloff has some information on Harris Miller here.
more information here.

Note: a guy that looks a lot like Miller
drives a Big Mercedes with Virginia vanity licence tags saying "ITAA".
He goes 95 MPH when everybody else is going 70-75 and runs people off the road.

I mean we let people from all over come here and work. Ummmmm, except we don't.

Um, YES we do!

The H-1 and L-1 Visa programs were invented specifically for this reason. In the US, we have no standard like those I've read about in Australia and elsewhere. Well, we have some regulations, but recently they've gone completely unenforced. If a company in this country can hire someone from overseas to do a job for which they're currently paying an American worker, and pay that worker half or less what the American makes, the company is under no pressure not to hire the foreign worker. It's happening for real. In the REAL world.

http://www.rescueamericanjobs.org/
http://www.local6.com/money/2381343/detail.html
http://www.thenetworkadministrator.com/LosingYou rJ ob.htm
http://www.house.gov/delauro/press/2003/L1_bill_7- 10-03.htm

Further, US jobs now are being sent TO other countries. By some estimates, 2 million plus jobs in the next few years. Than't a HUGE chunk of the IT sector.

http://www.cio.com/archive/090103/backlash.html (accoring to this article, the number is like 10% of IT jobs)
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.j html?articleID=14700325
http://www.msnbc.com/news/947478.asp?cp1=1
http://www.techsunite.org/news/techind/030722_ibm. cfm
http://comment.cio.com/comments/13404.html

The reason this is a story here, is because a good number of us work in the IT sector. This has HUGE implications for us.

Consider the fact that many colleges around the nation are scaling back IT programs (my stepmother teaches various IT classes at a local college) and thike about what that means for those of us who spent money on educations or who have been relying on our IT experience as means to acquire jobs.

The economy and job prospects have been bad enough just dealing with the economic slowdown without having to deal with the jobs that are still there going away from the US (I know, I was unemployed for the greater portion of 2002, and I'm only employed now because I new the guy who ran the IT department for the company I work for now).

In many countries in the EU and also in Australia, they cannot hire a non-citizen unless they CANNOT find a qualified candidate who IS a citizen. The US government needs to step up and implement some similar legislation. Even if you think about this from a lawmakers perspective, an American who makes $50,000 a year pays a whole lot more than an unemployed American and the foreigner who takes his job for $30,000. They'll see a WHOLE LOT less than that from the unemployed American and the job that's no longer in the US! Even the companies that do use outsourcing are killing their own market. How many computers or programs or Coke ayr you going to buy when you're unemployed, and can the foreigner who's making half of what you were making pick up the slack? I don't think so...

Anyway, I'm done...