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Yeah, and my experience, and I smoked weed once, is that the population has been brainwashed to think the government is running a large conspiracy to make weed appear to be dangerous, and it's nonsense. There is no conspiracy: weed is powerful and dangerous. The drug supporters are just high, stupid, uneducated, unaware, or they're cognitively dissonant because they're addicts.

I got high once and it was a nightmare that haunts me today. I wish someone told me that but if you look in this thread, anyone who does is labeled a troll and drown out with non sequiturs. The erowid vault describes my experience again and again but no one is allowed to say that because the majority of the population is that brainwashed.

Likewise, while I'm not terribly excited about cops giving out tickets to enforce helmet laws, I think people should be persuaded to wear helmets. Sometimes people act recklessly, e.g. children, and it's not right for me to tacitly support that behavior when the consequences are so great. Sitting by while people decide to vegetate themselves isn't good for society.

Cocaine was used in soda, speed was available to truckers OTC, heroin was OTC. Soldiers used drugs during wartimes and went home addicts. Addiction was recognized as a problem.

• 5. The introduction of Heroin in 1898 made the addiction problem significantly worse.
• • a. Heroin was developed as a derivative of morphine by C.R. Alder Wright in London in 1874.
  • b. Dreser, of the Bayer Company, reported its effects against pain, coughs, chest pains and pneumonia and named it heroin.
  • • i. Dreser believed that heroin was nonaddictive.
    • ii. Bayer marketed heroin in 1898 as a treatment for coughs, tuberculosis and bronchitis, in the place of the addictive codeine.
  • c. It is more lipid-soluble than morphine, so is more rapidly absorbed into the brain.
  • d. Only after a decade or so of use, in the early 1900s, was heroin's abuse potential recognized.

http://www.rsu.edu/faculty/lashbaugh/unit_10_lecture.htm

Along these lines, somebody familiar with Harry Braverman should comment. This isn't straying. Our labor and our politics are intertwined with the IP issues raised.

Hmm being the conspiracy theorist that i am.. that could all be spin!( http://www.rsu.edu/faculty/khicks/Essays/Spin.htm) Anyhow.. have they looked on eBay?

Actually, go after the big fish, and more big fish will appear to replace them. If there's a demand, someone will find a way to supply it. Period... The only rational option is legalization.

Isn't that like saying, "We can't stop murder so we might as well legalize it." or "We have little privacy as it is, we might as well give it all up voluntarily.

Before the early part of the 20th Century, a 12 year old girl could walk into a general store and walk out with as much heroine, cocaine and morphine as she could carry in one arm and a 12-gauge shotgun in the other. If drug legalization would cause widespread addiction now, why didn't it back then?

Before you deny widespread addiction, get your facts straight. It did cause widespread addiction, fool. I don't understand how, with the addiction problem we have now, you expect that legalization will not increase addiction. It will and it did. And that's why public opinion changed towards Opium, Cocaine and speed.

The reason these drugs were legal was that little was known about how addictive they were. The invention of the hypodermic needle, and isolation of the active ingredients, the use in Civil War, WWII and all the other things that popularized drugs also increased put the problem of addiction into the spotlight and swayed opinion. Etc, read the Drug Lecture..

Actually, go after the big fish, and more big fish will appear to replace them. If there's a demand, someone will find a way to supply it. Period... The only rational option is legalization.

Isn't that like saying, "We can't stop murder so we might as well legalize it." or "We have little privacy as it is, we might as well give it all up voluntarily.

Before the early part of the 20th Century, a 12 year old girl could walk into a general store and walk out with as much heroine, cocaine and morphine as she could carry in one arm and a 12-gauge shotgun in the other. If drug legalization would cause widespread addiction now, why didn't it back then?

Before you deny widespread addiction, get your facts straight. It did cause widespread addiction, fool. I don't understand how, with the addiction problem we have now, you expect that legalization will not increase addiction. It will and it did. And that's why public opinion changed towards Opium, Cocaine and speed.

The reason these drugs were legal was that little was known about how addictive they were. The invention of the hypodermic needle, and isolation of the active ingredients, the use in Civil War, WWII and all the other things that popularized drugs also increased put the problem of addiction into the spotlight and swayed opinion. Etc, read the Drug Lecture..

• 4. By the 1870s morphine and laudanum could be found in any pharmacy or general store and there was no social stigma attached to its use.
• 1. a. In some instances, alcoholics switched to morphine to save their reputations.
  2. b. Morphine overdoses increased as people attempting SC injections missed and hit veins.
  3. c. By the end of the 1800s addiction came to be recognized as a national problem.
  4. i. This was also, however, the heyday of the patent medicine trade, many of which contained opiates and alcohol.
  5. ii. Cocaine and other psychoactive compounds were also available and were unregulated.
• d. By the turn of the century public opinion had begun to swing against opiates.
• 5. The introduction of Heroin in 1898 made the addiction problem significantly worse.
• 1. a. Heroin was developed as a derivative of morphine by C.R. Alder Wright in London in 1874.
  2. b. Dreser, of the Bayer Company, reported its effects against pain, coughs, chest pains and pneumonia and named it heroin.
  3. i. Dreser believed that heroin was nonaddictive.
  4. ii. Bayer marketed heroin in 1898 as a treatment for coughs, tuberculosis and bronchitis, in the place of the addictive codeine.
• c. It is more lipid-soluble than morphine, so is more rapidly absorbed into the brain.
• d. Only after a decade or so of use, in the early 1900s, was heroin's abuse potential recognized.
• 
  
  --http://www.rsu.edu/faculty/lashbaugh/unit_10_l ec ture.htm

• 5. THC can produce panic reactions, paranoia or terror.
• 1. a. This might be influenced by fear of discovery of use.
  2. b. No prolonged bad trips with traumatic aftereffects occur, although flashbacks have been reported.
  3. c. There is no evidence of depression or schizophrenia following use, but depersonalization can be persistent and recurrent.
  --http://www.rsu.edu/faculty/lashbaugh/unit_11_lec ture.htm

• 4. By the 1870s morphine and laudanum could be found in any pharmacy or general store and there was no social stigma attached to its use.
• 1. a. In some instances, alcoholics switched to morphine to save their reputations.
  2. b. Morphine overdoses increased as people attempting SC injections missed and hit veins.
  3. c. By the end of the 1800s addiction came to be recognized as a national problem.
  4. i. This was also, however, the heyday of the patent medicine trade, many of which contained opiates and alcohol.
  5. ii. Cocaine and other psychoactive compounds were also available and were unregulated.
• d. By the turn of the century public opinion had begun to swing against opiates.
• 5. The introduction of Heroin in 1898 made the addiction problem significantly worse.
• 1. a. Heroin was developed as a derivative of morphine by C.R. Alder Wright in London in 1874.
  2. b. Dreser, of the Bayer Company, reported its effects against pain, coughs, chest pains and pneumonia and named it heroin.
  3. i. Dreser believed that heroin was nonaddictive.
  4. ii. Bayer marketed heroin in 1898 as a treatment for coughs, tuberculosis and bronchitis, in the place of the addictive codeine.
• c. It is more lipid-soluble than morphine, so is more rapidly absorbed into the brain.
• d. Only after a decade or so of use, in the early 1900s, was heroin's abuse potential recognized.
• 
  
  --http://www.rsu.edu/faculty/lashbaugh/unit_10_l ec ture.htm

• 5. THC can produce panic reactions, paranoia or terror.
• 1. a. This might be influenced by fear of discovery of use.
  2. b. No prolonged bad trips with traumatic aftereffects occur, although flashbacks have been reported.
  3. c. There is no evidence of depression or schizophrenia following use, but depersonalization can be persistent and recurrent.
  --http://www.rsu.edu/faculty/lashbaugh/unit_11_lec ture.htm