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27,345,357 unique messages from E360 blockedThe most astounding thing:
In his original complaint http://www.spamsuite.com/webfm_send/357 the guy running E360 presented as fact, that Spamhaus had blocked at least 27,345,357 unique messages from E360.
This is like saying, oh, I killed 37 people (and here's a list of who I killed) and that's why the cops are ganging up on me so I'm suing them.
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This is the sign things are not going your way.I listened to the oral arguments with joy, The oral arguments reminded me of the ruling in e360 v. Comcast, where it started with, "Plaintiff e360Insight, LLC is a marketer. It refers to itself as an Internet marketing company. Some, perhaps even a majority of people in this country, would call it a spammer. "
But, what is interesting is the e360Insight, LLC, v. ChoicePoint Precision Marketing, LLC case. He sued them for providing them e-mail addresses for Ferguson, Ferron , and myself. Linhardt claimed he "licensed" our e-mail addresses from Choicepoint. However, Linhardt swore under oath (claimed in the case of Ferguson) with that Ferguson, Ferron, and I signed up with their partner. I am thinking that might apply in any further proceedings, if there are any.
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A clueless judge's hilarious findings of fact
http://www.spamsuite.com/node/351
'He also disguised himself as a mail server.'
'Ritz falsely stated in his interrogatory answers that his only name on the Internet was David Ritz, when he actually went by names including ... "BOFH" ("Bastard Operator From Hell").' -
Great Scot! Read TFA!!From the judge's ruling, on a site protesting it vehemently
http://www.spamsuite.com/node/351 9. The evidence presented at trial produced no treatises or authoritative sources to suggest that any other intended purpose exists for a zone transfer. The academic and technical resources put in evidence at trial uniformly indicate that zone transfers have no intended purposes beyond those mentioned above. Suddenly, this looks like a run-of-the-mill case of crappy lawyers, not a corrupt, stupid, ignorant or lazy judge. Nothing [unusual] to see here. These are not the headlines you're looking for. Move along, move along. 10. The literature available on the subject all refers to access attempts such as the host -l command issued by Ritz under the circumstances of this case as "unauthorized." Microsoft itself, as well as various other, authorities [there are authorities, 'other' than Microsoft?] all refer to zone transfers conducted by an individual other than the network administrator or an authoritative name server as "unauthorized." OK, like everybody else here I note the irony. But irony alone is not a Case, cyberpunks. -
Re:FUDThe judge did not make DNS requests illegal.
Well, the judge did grant a permanent injunction against the defendant which bars him from making DNS requests on Sierra host names:
...This injunction also applies to DNS lookups on hostnames of Sierra that it does not publish on any of its websites. -
Re:consequence of bad computer crime laws
You might try reading the actual content of the ruling, not just the article.
http://www.spamsuite.com/node/351
If you had, you would probably at least know that the Judge was a 'she' not a 'he'. If you did actually read the article, this might be a good indicator of how much you actually paid attention to what you were reading...
Several of the 'conclusions of law', as stipulated, are indeed seriously problematic. She did not specify her rulings upon the basis of an injunction. She specified them based upon the actions themselves. THAT is why technically savvy individuals consider her ruling to be badly flawed.
Her conclusions on Zone Transfer Queries, for starters, are seriously flawed. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to make DNS Zone queries when you are not an employee or someone else acting with the explicit permission of the entity who put the server in place. Many ISPs cache entire zones to cut down on excess DNS traffic for requests from their customers, for example.
For another, while it is difficult to say with certainty not knowing the exact details of the testimony of the defense's expert witness, a reading of her response by someone knowledgeable with DNS configuration suggests reasonably that he may have attempted to explain that there are specific methods that would be used to prevent zone transfers to unauthorized servers, that there were other methods that would be used to configure the server to provide zone information in response to external requests, and that by configuring their DNS server in such a way as to give the Zone information, the plaintiffs were authorizing the transfer of information and making the information publicly available. If their DNS server was configured to respond to external Zone Transfer requests, this information would in effect be public, as anyone at all, not just the defendant, who issued a perfectly normal host command would have received that information. If this was not their intent, the issue would be one of incompetence on the part of their technical staff, not one of 'hacking' on the part of the defendant.
Her suggestion that using a command switch for 'host' that is clearly documented to query information that was publicly available constitutes 'unauthorized use of a computer system' is unfounded, overly broad, and, to any technically knowledgeable individual, deplorable. She does not state that she reached her conclusion because of any injunction against the defendant. She states her finding is based upon the facility of the program itself, and her miraculous idea that somehow use of this normal function is somehow mystically, only intended for a specific subset of target users she has imagined. One that is, again, seriously flawed.
'Knowledge available to the average user' should NEVER be used as a yard stick for what constitutes the acceptable bounds of computer use. The 'average user' is ignorant of the actual function and capabilities of their systems to a point that is common to describe them, quite accurately, as largely 'computer illiterate'.
If no one knew more about any particular thing than an 'average' individual does, at any given point in time, we'd still be hunting and gathering. To suggest that this baseline should have anything to do with determination of what constitutes a potential criminal act, if applied to any other circumstance, would immediately render anyone of actual knowledge, rather than vague theories about a subject a criminal.
What do you know, for example, about repairing the engine of your car. Say you know quite a bit about it. Should you be considered a criminal if you make repairs on it, based upon knowledge you have, if you aren't a certified mechanic? How about if you repair your mother's car with that knowledge. Does that make you a criminal? By this Judge's logic, it would.
If you don't like that analogy, try this one. Let's say that the 'average person' knows that telephone bo -
Re:consequence of bad computer crime lawsWithout reading deeper, I can see how you might infer this. However, part of the facts of the case included the fact that most zone transfers are not intended for the public internet. Given that as a fact in the case, the judge would have to rule in this way. Perhaps, if you disagree with that fact, you should argue against that. The zone transfers conducted and attempted by Ritz were far outside the intended use of zone transfers. Ritz was never given authorization or permission by Sierra for the zone transfers. -- http://www.spamsuite.com/node/351
The intended purpose of a website is to display information. The intended purpose of an administrative page on a website is for the site manager to modify the settings of the website. Accessing the first pseudo-anonymously (as is the way of the Internet) is clearly the intended use. Accessing the second pseudo-anonymously (because the administrator forgot to set a password) clearly is not.
What matters most here, is the wording of the computer crime laws in North Dakota. So far, no one's bother to bring that up.When you don't know what you're talking about, it's often a good idea to listen quietly.
A zone file is nothing like an administrative interface. For a start, it isn't an interface: it is publicly published data. If you don't want it to be published, you don't put it in the published zone file. For a second thing, if it wasn't possible to access the data which is summarised in the zone file, it would be impossible to navigate the internet using names - you'd have to use numeric addresses. OK, one doesn't normally ask for hte whole lot at once - but if it wasn't meant to be public, it shouldn't have been published.
Sheesh! Ten years ago, even the trolls on Slashdot were reasonably well informed. What the hell are you doing on this site if you don't understand the basics of how the net hangs together?
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Dave Ritz is ok by me
Given the choice between concluding that the judge was an idiot, or the plaintiff lied, or Dave Ritz lied, I'd say that it was more likely that the judge and/or plaintiff were in error than that Dave Ritz lied. He's not a liar by nature. He could have been mistaken on something (so many spammers, it's hard to tell them apart sometimes), but I do not believe it likely that he intentionally lied.
This is an exceedingly bad ruling.
Some background reading:
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/2007/10/help-fight-spammer-slapp-suit-donate-to.html
http://www.spamsuite.com/node/351
And, of course, the legal defense fund, desperately needed for an appeal:
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Re:FUD
Thank you! People need to read the real information. http://www.spamsuite.com/node/351 The first part of that article is opinion, but the bottom is the findings of fact (posted elsewhere on here as well). This guy used the host transfer to gather information to do other not so nice things. Other people have mentioned the "hijacking of computers". It clearly states in here that "He admitted to hacking Verizon and further admitted to doing so without authorization." I think that information was used as a background for intentions, but it could have also been used for hiding his original IP Address (I'm a bit unclear). He did try to use the private information to shut down their usenet activity. The ruling here is to not allow unauthorized people to gather that information. Authorized people in this case are system/network administrators and authorities of the company. Stop the sensationalism and read.
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Re:consequence of bad computer crime lawsWithout reading deeper, I can see how you might infer this. However, part of the facts of the case included the fact that most zone transfers are not intended for the public internet. Given that as a fact in the case, the judge would have to rule in this way. Perhaps, if you disagree with that fact, you should argue against that. The zone transfers conducted and attempted by Ritz were far outside the intended use of zone transfers. Ritz was never given authorization or permission by Sierra for the zone transfers. -- http://www.spamsuite.com/node/351
The intended purpose of a website is to display information. The intended purpose of an administrative page on a website is for the site manager to modify the settings of the website. Accessing the first pseudo-anonymously (as is the way of the Internet) is clearly the intended use. Accessing the second pseudo-anonymously (because the administrator forgot to set a password) clearly is not.
What matters most here, is the wording of the computer crime laws in North Dakota. So far, no one's bother to bring that up. -
Re:Unbelievable
Did you see the findings?
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It gets worse.
According to the Findings of Law, item 31, he is guilty of using the name "Bastard Operator From Hell" when his name is really David Ritz.
You just don't do that in North Dakota.
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Re:less than 15 cents per infected computer ...
Who do you think ratted him out in the end?
Nessun did - he was always such a chickenshit motherfucker. http://www.spamsuite.com/book/export/html/150 -
Re:Would this be evil/wrong?
2) When the orders come in, send out authentic-looking prescription medication, but instead of medicine the pills are made of fast-acting poison.
This is unfortunately already happening:
Vancouver Sun: Online drugs can prove deadly: coroner
Not a joke: real people are dying from these scumbags.
There are also several mentions of death via overdose or fake prescriptions containing harmful particles in the recent court documents released on the Chris "Rizler" Smith conviction as well:
http://spamsuite.com/node/195
They definitely are killing people, it's just not publicized very often, if at all.
The downside you speak of is lack of any interest on the part of the media in exposing these (mostly Russian) criminals for the scum that they are. They'll raise the issue of allofmp3.com violating copyright as a barrier to Russia entering the WTO, but not this. I don't understand why.
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Re:Excuse me?How was the perp able to withdraw money from a frozen account?
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> How was the perp able to withdraw money from a frozen account? From the sentencing transcript, available here:On June 6, 2005, in an act that he later admitted was directly in violation of the Court's preliminary injunction, Smith made two withdrawals from Xpress Pharmacy Direct's U.S. Bank account (of $1,000 each, plus transaction fees) by way of Xpress Pharmacy Direct cash card previously issued to Smith. Smith made the withdrawals from a casino located in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic. The U.S. Bank account had been frozen by the Court's preliminary injunction, but was temporarily unfrozen by the receiver for the purpose of paying employees.
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My response to that kind of threat....My response to that kind of threat....
Bring it on!
Bullies tend to back down when confronted. Take a look at happens when David Linhardt realizes that Mark Ferguson was going to fight back. http://www.spamsuite.com/node/82 -
Re:Insanely arrogant USA judges
This statement requires substantiating evidence.
Here you go: http://www.spamsuite.com/files/e360vSpamhausNotic
e Removal.pdfBy submitting the notice of removal instead of a defence of no jurisdiction, Spamhaus shot themselves in the foot, and submitted by default to the jurisdiction of the Illinois court.
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Spammers Move From Email to the Courts
I'm not a lawyer, but after reading through the motions of the court case of e360Insight against SpamHaus, I'd say they reek of spammers moving from e-mail to the courts.
A sad day when our communications channels are jammed with this bullshit. An even sadder day when our justice system is over ridden with it.