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Re:Give me 1000 flavors!!!The posters
...just see a little "reject" flag next to their submission. This is probably one of the most frustrating parts for someone who is just starting that level of participation - no feedback from the editiors,...
I agree with the main point of your post -- that it's worthwhile for people to try other ways besides the Slash way -- but I actually really like the editorial control that Slashdot exercises over what stories to run. Looking back at my own record of submissions -- 3 out of 12 accepted -- it's really pretty clear to me that the ones they took were simply the best ones. One time I submitted a rant against Open Directory because I was mad about something a DMOZ meta-editor had done to my own category; I'm actually glad this one was instantly rejected! The ones they accepted were ones where I did a lot of work, thought about it really hard, and wrote something myself.In fact, I think Slashdot is at its worst when it gets onto topics that aren't part of its core unixy mission, i.e. when the editors aren't choosy enough. Some of the dopiest discussion happens when Slashdotters start expounding on subjects they know nothing about, or when the Slashdot editors make bad choices of articles on physics, astronomy, etc. (My own pet peeve is all the physics posts that don't link to the original paper, which is almost always available on arxiv.org.)
The traditional response to people who don't like getting their Slashdot submissions rejected is that anyone who doesn't like Slashdot's editorial policies can always start their own Slash clone. This is a valid response, but I think it's interesting that Glasscode seems to make more of an effort to encourage people to start up new sections on a variety of topics. It'll be interesting to see if the quality of discussion on all these sections turns out to be good.
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One size doesn't fit allSlashcode is great for doing what Slashdot wants to do: handle bjillions of simultaneous users per topic, never have to censor, allow anonymous posts, and be very selective about the new topics that will be started.
Slashcode may not be the best model in many other cases. For instance, I run a slash-ish site for book reviews, focusing on reviews of free books. The selectivity-about-topics part of Slashdot is obviously completely inappropriate for this kind of site, since the equivalent of a Slashdot article is a book, and there's no reason to exclude books. Also, a particular book is likely to be discussed only sporadically, not in a Slashdot-style feeding frenzy, so I didn't need Slashdot's mechanisms for getting rid of first-post trolls, but I did have to implement a system for people to ask to receive e-mail notifications when discussion is posted about a book they're interested in.
A lot of things are a matter of taste and culture, and one size does not fit all. A lot of Slashdotters are paranoid types who have filled the margins of their copy of Cryptonomicon with conspiracy theories. So it makes sense that Slashdot allows anonymous posts. However, for most discussion sites, the single simplest thing that can be done to get rid of trolls is simply to disallow anonymous posting -- make people at least put their nick on their posts, if not their real name and e-mail. For book reviewing, it's particularly important to have some idea of who the reviewer is and what his qualifications are.
BTW, this last issue -- does the person posting know their posterior from a cavity in the earth? -- is, in my opinion, the place where Slashdot is the most deficient. It's fine when you're reading discussion on a computer topic, since most Slashdotters are computer nerds, and mistakes get pointed out really quickly. But it's a big problem in the science section. A lot of the people posting there got their ideas about science from Star Wars. You get ridiculous stuff like people saying that asteroid mining can be accomplished by "dropping" asteroids into the Earth's atmosphere, where air drag will slow them down and let them crash to the surface. So this is an example of how one design doesn't necessarily work for everything that even one discussion site tries to do.
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One size doesn't fit allSlashcode is great for doing what Slashdot wants to do: handle bjillions of simultaneous users per topic, never have to censor, allow anonymous posts, and be very selective about the new topics that will be started.
Slashcode may not be the best model in many other cases. For instance, I run a slash-ish site for book reviews, focusing on reviews of free books. The selectivity-about-topics part of Slashdot is obviously completely inappropriate for this kind of site, since the equivalent of a Slashdot article is a book, and there's no reason to exclude books. Also, a particular book is likely to be discussed only sporadically, not in a Slashdot-style feeding frenzy, so I didn't need Slashdot's mechanisms for getting rid of first-post trolls, but I did have to implement a system for people to ask to receive e-mail notifications when discussion is posted about a book they're interested in.
A lot of things are a matter of taste and culture, and one size does not fit all. A lot of Slashdotters are paranoid types who have filled the margins of their copy of Cryptonomicon with conspiracy theories. So it makes sense that Slashdot allows anonymous posts. However, for most discussion sites, the single simplest thing that can be done to get rid of trolls is simply to disallow anonymous posting -- make people at least put their nick on their posts, if not their real name and e-mail. For book reviewing, it's particularly important to have some idea of who the reviewer is and what his qualifications are.
BTW, this last issue -- does the person posting know their posterior from a cavity in the earth? -- is, in my opinion, the place where Slashdot is the most deficient. It's fine when you're reading discussion on a computer topic, since most Slashdotters are computer nerds, and mistakes get pointed out really quickly. But it's a big problem in the science section. A lot of the people posting there got their ideas about science from Star Wars. You get ridiculous stuff like people saying that asteroid mining can be accomplished by "dropping" asteroids into the Earth's atmosphere, where air drag will slow them down and let them crash to the surface. So this is an example of how one design doesn't necessarily work for everything that even one discussion site tries to do.
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Re:you won't be seeing any popular authors there!Nearly all my sales are wholesale. The professor adopts the book, the campus bookstore buys it from me, and students buy from them. All the adoptions so far from schools other than my own were by professors who heard about the book simply because it was on the web for free -- at the time they adopted it, I hadn't promoted it in any other way. Recently I've started sending out copies of the book in digital form on CDs to profs at various schools, but I haven't gotten any bites that way yet.
Sure, the vast majority of people who download the book don't buy. Actually, I suspect most who download it don't read it
:-) But who cares? It's still free advertising.
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A lot of the books on the site are purely digital, and there's not publisher at all in the traditional sense. In all the browsing windows, free books show up with icons that show whether they're free. There is also a mechanism in some of the browing pages to exclude non-free books from your searches.
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Re:That attitude won't last foreverGive it a few more years of ad-supported content companies going bankrupt, and the vanishing of all the ad-supported ISPs, and people will realize that producing content is work, just like anything else.
Your argument would seem to prove that Linux can't exist.You should also realize that publishers make a disproportionate amount of their money from a few lucrative categories, like cookbooks, self-help books, and thrillers. Believe it or not, an awful lot of books are profitable neither for the publisher nor for the authors. Most book authors don't make enough money to support themselves by writing alone.
A lot of people make content just to scratch their own itch. Van Gogh never sold a painting during his lifetime.
And people also need to stop thinking as if making something available for free means you can't also sell it for money. Tell that to Red Hat.
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At the risk of sounding like a broken record and a shameless self-promoter, it would be more useful if people would review free books on The Assayer.
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At the risk of sounding like a broken record and a shameless self-promoter, it would be more useful if people would review free books on The Assayer.
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Re:you won't be seeing any popular authors there!But realistically, no one can say with a straight face that someone who downloaded a copy of a commercially available work would be likely to go out and purchase a copy.
A counterexample: I've had a few thousand dollars in sales of my book, which is available as a free download. (A few more k$ and I'll have made back my investment in printing! :-)
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Re:What about textbooks?This is a great idea, but I see one problem - Who prints them? Its not economical to print out enough copies for all of your students.
This was probably a stronger argument back before textbook prices went totally crazy. Nowadays, the prices are so ridiculous that it really would be cheaper in many cases to photocopy one copy per student. To use a college-level example, the latest edition of Halliday and Resnick's Fundamentals of physics is $180. No, that's not a typo. That's roughly 20 cents a page! (For comparison, it costs the publisher about $5 per copy for paper printing and binding on a black and white book with line art, assuming it's a long print run.)I was also surprised when a couple of high-school teachers ordered stacks of the CD-ROM version of my own (college-level) free physics textbook for their AP physics classes. Personally I wouldn't want to be a student and have to work from a CD-ROM for a whole course, but maybe for these schools the financial situation was either CDs or nothing.
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Re:Wow, open source taken to the next level.Will these books be 'open source' in other words can I re-write the ending if I don't like it ? That would be cool. So many stories have happy endings these days. It would totally rock if we could rewrite them...
OK, I hereby nominate you for a '+1, funny.' But seriously, a lot of people think that the user's right to modify the content is the main point of open source, so they think open-source books are therefore a stupid idea. Actually, open-sourcing a novel (I don't think it's been done yet?) wouldn't mean you could modify the version the author distributed. It's like Linux. You don't get to modify the version of the kernel that Linus distributes unless he decided to let you.And when it comes to nonfiction, it can make a lot of sense to allow people to fork off their own versions.
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Re:Looks good now
Another thing to do if you support this experiment with free (-as-in-beer) information is to write a review of one of these books on The Assayer, which is a nonprofit site I run for user-submitted book reviews with an emphasis on free books. All reviews are copyleft licensed, and the site is noncommercial.
All ten of the Baen books are now listed (so far without reviews) in the site's literature section.
One of the main arguments people have made against free books is that without a publisher, you have no filter in place to get rid of the junk. The Assayer aims to disprove that argument by providing a forum for people to discuss which free books are good and which are bad.
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By supporting Baen in this experiment, you'll also be helping encourage publishers to take the next step, which is to publish books that are free-as-in-speech, or at least partially free-as-in-speech, e.g. using OPL with the A&B options that prevent other print publishers from selling the same book in print. Until they take that step, there's always the possibility that publishers will make free-as-in-beer books not free again. This has happened with about 30 Macmillan computer science titles. You'll find them all listed on IPL as if they were free, but when you click on the link, you get a message saying they're no longer available for free.
You also have to realize that the publishing industry really doesn't know how this is going to play out. They'll try stuff and see if it works. They'll try antibooks. They'll try lame stuff like putting books online, but only with every single page as a bitmap, so that it's completely impractical to read them. (iUniverse, Dorling Kindersley, and Electric Press do this.)
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Re:Looks good now
Another thing to do if you support this experiment with free (-as-in-beer) information is to write a review of one of these books on The Assayer, which is a nonprofit site I run for user-submitted book reviews with an emphasis on free books. All reviews are copyleft licensed, and the site is noncommercial.
All ten of the Baen books are now listed (so far without reviews) in the site's literature section.
One of the main arguments people have made against free books is that without a publisher, you have no filter in place to get rid of the junk. The Assayer aims to disprove that argument by providing a forum for people to discuss which free books are good and which are bad.
</self-promotion>
By supporting Baen in this experiment, you'll also be helping encourage publishers to take the next step, which is to publish books that are free-as-in-speech, or at least partially free-as-in-speech, e.g. using OPL with the A&B options that prevent other print publishers from selling the same book in print. Until they take that step, there's always the possibility that publishers will make free-as-in-beer books not free again. This has happened with about 30 Macmillan computer science titles. You'll find them all listed on IPL as if they were free, but when you click on the link, you get a message saying they're no longer available for free.
You also have to realize that the publishing industry really doesn't know how this is going to play out. They'll try stuff and see if it works. They'll try antibooks. They'll try lame stuff like putting books online, but only with every single page as a bitmap, so that it's completely impractical to read them. (iUniverse, Dorling Kindersley, and Electric Press do this.)
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Re:What about textbooks?You might want to check out the math and science section of The Assayer. There's a lot of free (and some open-source) college-level math and science stuff there, but no K-12 stuff yet. (Well, I do know of at least one high school that's using my own physics book for their AP course.)
Anyone else think this might be useful?
Yes! All the people who wrote the books listed there!Unfortunately, I think K-12 may be the hardest place to start making free-information inroads into textbooks. The politics you have to go through in most states to get a K-12 book approved is just horrendous.
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Re:let em do it...Let's be realistic about this. Probably less than 1% of computer buyers realize that they have the option of buying a box without paying for a preinstalled OS. Heck, lots of Linux users don't realize they can buy a box without paying for a copy of Windoze that they'll just erase.
This is not going to motivate people to switch away from Windows when they buy a new box, because the new box is going to come with the latest Windoze.
What about people who are thinking of upgrading a preexisting box from Win x to Win x+1? Will they throw up their hands at this and switch to Linux instead? Probably the reason they need to upgrade from Win x is that their favorite game (or other software) requires Win x+1. Unless their game is available for Linux (which it probably isn't), Linux isn't going to work for them.
For most people, it's not Windoze versus Linux, it's Windoze versus MacOS. Sorry, but you can't switch your x86 from Windoze to MacOS.
MS are the masters of forcing people to stay on the upgrade treadmill. This is, unfortunately, a very smart move.
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Re:Glad to be a Mac user...not glad to be poor.I'm writing this on my wife's iMac...if you want a cheap machine that does a lot for the money, the iMac is still the bomb.
OK, I too lust for a cube instead of my G4, but then I take a cold shower and the feeling passes.
One thing people should keep in mind when they discuss prices of Macs is that it's always inaccurate to compare with Windoze boxes. With a Mac, you're always getting 24-bit color, sound input and output, and, of course, the world's best and most mature GUI. Nearly all Macs come with video input (used to be those coax connector thingamies, now I guess it's a different interface). All this was true back when a "multimedia" PC meant that it had a CD-ROM drive and 8-bit color. The cheapest PCs are still the ones that lack all these extras.
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Right on
More than one mouse button is a joke. The people at MS who decided to design their GUI around a many-button mouse were the same losers who gave Word the talking paperclip and the default set of control panels that looks like the cockpit of a fighter jet.
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Re:Bloatware and older browsersNetscape is up to 6. The problem is that 6 is worse than 4.72.
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Re:Bitmaps for equations -- what a disaster!After lots of detail on how his physics book typeset with jury-rigged tools went down in flames, especially on the web...
Funny, I don't remember saying it went down in flames anywhere. "Especially" on the web? No, it didn't "go down in flames" anywhere. Not on the web, not in PDF. Not in a car, not in a boat, not on a train. All I remember saying is that the equations were ugly and slow-loading in the html version, because they were bitmaps."Jury-rigged tools"? Did I say that? I can't seem to find it in my original post.
Your hand-baked approach to putting physics on the web didn't work so well, because, as you point out, there was no way to separate form from content that way.
Not at all. PageMaker does have stylesheets and other mechanisms for separating form from content. They work fine, and that wasn't the problem with the conversion to html. The problem with conversion to html was that I had to do the equations as bitmaps. Maybe you should actually read people's posts before replying to them. The whole thing is a www/html/browser problem, not a problem with PageMaker (although PageMaker is replete with other problems, like crashing a lot). ...then you slam on TeX for, well, trying to enforce that useful separation.
The key word is enforce. I don't want it enforced, because sometimes machines are stupid and makes the wrong choices.The people who use tools to design tools to make tools. We are the lords of the Shell, the emperors of Perl, we dominate the DOM.
I'd think the appropriate attitude for a Lord of Bits would be that if you want to do something, the computer shouldn't make you have to jump through hoops to do it. Do you also want a language that doesn't let you operate on data types at the bit level? Do you want an OS like Windows that doesn't let you change the startup screens? Gosh, if MS didn't enforce a particular startup screen on you, someone might get hurt.
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Bitmaps for equations -- what a disaster!Using bitmaps for equations is a disaster. I have a physics book that I made using PageMaker (which is a horrible, buggy piece of software, BTW) and math typesetting software called Expressionist (very nice, and inexpensive). I put years of sweat into making it look all beautiful in printed and PDF form. When it came time to make an html version, I made the equations into gifs because that was the only option I had. All those gifs make it slow-loading, and what's worse is that it looks horrible in most people's browsers. One reason it looks so awful is that everybody has different fonts, and every browser has a different default font size. So the equations don't match the text in terms of font and font size.
The other problem with doing equations as bitmaps is that it breaks the functionality of the web. Visually impaired people can make the font bigger, but the equations will stay small. You can't search through it. You can't do text-to-speech. You can't change your stylesheet and have all the equations change style as well.
As far as LaTeX,
- it's never going to be learned by more than 0.01% of the world's population,
- it represents a 1970's-style approach to making a user interface (ooh, you mean I get my own terminal instead of having to hand someone a stack of punched cards?), and
- its aggressive stance on separating form from content means that you have to jump through hoops to make a complicated layout turn out how you want it.
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Bloatware and older browsersOne thing I'd wonder about is what a MathML expression would look like in a browser that didn't support MathML. Would it look vaguely like the actual expression, but without superscripts and subscripts, etc.? Or would it look to the reader like I, the html author, was a complete idiot? (I mean, any more than usual.)
If Opera or iCab ever support it, that would probably finally motivate me to dump NS 4.72. But I'm sorry, I just refuse to downgrade to the latest NS/Mozilla/IE. Every browser is just bigger, slower, and more buggy than the last. What I really want is NS 4.73 -- you know, the bug-release version of NS 4.72 that would never crash, and would fix bugs like incorrect rendering of stylesheets.
I think we're looking at a really long delay -- maybe 10 years -- before anyone can really start writing MathML into their pages with any confidence that the typical user will have a browser that displays it correctly. Look at Java 1.1. It's been years since 1.1 came out, and I still have to have a warning at the top of my 1.1 applet's page explaining that it won't work with the NS+MacOS combination.
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Re:very long term? can you read, michael?Here and here are some more substantive NASA web-pages on this. One paper referred to there that pooh-poohs the whole idea is by Lawrence Krauss, who is a real physicist and not a nut. I have to be very skeptcial when they quote this guy Graham Ellis in the original article saying "If we are right, we should be able to build our first small rockets and use them to keep satellites in their correct orbit in about five years." This statement is obviously garbage if you know anything about physics. It sounds to me like NASA started a legitimate long-range academic study on this, but it has also attracted a lot of nut cases.
I hate to sound like a stuffy academic, but I have a PhD in physics, and the whole thing sounds goofy to me. I'm not an expert on this kind of zero-point-energy-of-empty-space stuff, but it seems to me that to release the zero-point energy of empty space, you have to leave that space in a lower energy state after you're done. We don't know if such a lower-energy state even exists.
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Re:URL for paperFirst off, you have to realize that you can't necessarily tell the motion of the stars when you look at a distant galaxy. They don't cover enough angle per year for motion to be directly detectable, and Doppler shifts are not always measurable. So what they see is a feature, but not necessarily a pattern of flow.
Also, it's a common misconception that black holes are like cosmic vacuum cleaners. Stuff normally just orbits past a black hole without passing through the event horizon. That haze in the photo is stars, not gas, so there's no friction to help stuff slow down instead of orbiting past.
For persepective, try going to this page and typing in a random NGC galaxy number (ngcxxx, where the x's are random digits). If you do a few of these, you'll probably notice a lot of them have funky shapes. Sometimes this can be attribited to something like a recent collision, and sometimes you just have to say it's a funky-shaped galaxy and we don't know why. I skimmed their paper, and they don't even refer to this particular galaxy in it.
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URL for paper
The original paper is here.
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Re:It's all about greed.Well for once Amazon is doing something I agree with. Some people in the industry would like to take away your right to sell used books. Textbook publishers these days have a strategy of bringing out new editions every couple of years in order to kill off the used book market.
But Amazon is still a pretty yukky company in lots of ways:
- They try to patent obvious software methods.
- They have a lousy record on privacy (1, 2).
- They have a union-busting campaign, complete with instructions on their internal web pages explaining how managers can thwart union organizers.
- Did you know that when you write a review on their site, it becomes their property?
- All submitted comments become the licensed property of Amazon.com as set forth in our Legal Notices.