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  1. Re:Same mantra applies to Linux and MS sysadmins: by mrseth · · Score: 2 · on New Linux Worm Found in the Wild

    I know. I do the same thing on my RedHat boxes with this.

  2. There is nothing wrong with RPMs. Only packagers. by Ranger+Rick · · Score: 5, Insightful · on Is RPM Doomed?

    The author mentions, "On the other hand, have you noticed how hard it is to find Debian ISO images?" Yes, Debian is very upgradable, but that has nothing to do with the percieved shortcomings of the RPM package format.

    The RPM format is nearly identical feature-for-feature with Debian's dpkg. RPM's upgradability has nothing to do with technical issues. There are three things that make Debian's package management so much better than RPM-based distributions.

    The first is, there are way more distributions based on RPM packages than deb's. It's not suprising that some of them are more incompatible with each other than any debian release has ever been. Sure, there are many more people with hairy backs in the US than there are in Lichtenstein, that doesn't mean that living in the US causes hair to grow on your back. He is inferring causality where it doesn't exist.

    Second, APT. APT is what makes debian's package management so smart, not dpkg. And, in fact, this isn't a reason at all. APT now works with RPM packages, and when dependencies are properly configured, it is every bit as good as it is on debian. You can make an APT repository with RedHat's "rawhide" distribution and upgrade daily if you want. You won't have any more upgrade issues than you would running debian unstable. It may break occasionally, but it's when large changes happen. The exact same thing happens on the debian side.

    Third, Debian is fanatical about consistency. Most debian packagers manage maybe three or four packages (there are exceptions, of course). When you devote all of your free time to just a few things like that, a lot of attention is payed to details. This is what truly makes Debian's package management so freakin' clean. It has nothing to do with technology, it has everything to do with each maintainer hand-crafting dependencies and build options very carefully.

    The thing that pretty much any of the RPM-based distributions is truly missing is the equivalent of the Debian package maintainer guidelines, and a culture that enforces it. If that existed, RedHat would be just as consistent and upgradable as debian.

    I use RedHat and I'm careful about what I put on my system, and I never run into upgrade issues. If I'm going to install something that is for a distribution other than mine, I build from .src.rpm's instead of binaries and I *know* it's compatible with my install. Someday, if packagers stop being idiots and using shortcuts, I won't have to. Everything will resolve properly in the huge worldwide-apt-rpm-uber-archive.

  3. Re:Package Managment by ActiveSX · · Score: 1 · on Ask Ransom Love about UnitedLinux

    As much as I love apt, it's not a dpkg only thing.

  4. Re:Package Management? by ZaMoose · · Score: 4, Informative · on Linux Vendors to Standardize on Single Distribution

    You do realize that there is APT for RPM, don't you? Connectiva ported it, so maybe there's a chance that this MegaDistro will be apt-rpm based.

    It works like a charm, esp. if you use the FreshRPMS repositories.

  5. SuSE 8.0 (Mis) Information by salsashrk · · Score: 1 · on SuSE 8.0 Now Shipping

    Security updates for RedHat boxen has never been a problem. Just an binary FTP away..

    We even went so far as to install the apt package for our servers so we could always have the latest packages a la debian. Sure, I can see how it's not really *free* to su - and then apt-get dist-upgrade if you mean the man hours for me to type two lines...

    Unless the bitch is about the kernel install, but how hard is it to download the rpm and type: rpm -ivh kernel-2.4.whatever.rpm?
    I choose not to use the prepacked kernels, but for the lazy, it's hell of a *free* way to go!

  6. Re:KVim page mirror settled by lch · · Score: 1 · on The Union of Vim with KDE

    The correct for the main page is: http://freenux.org/mirrors/kvim/

    This is hosted by TuxFamily.org the french free software hosting service.

  7. Re:Check This Out by tof20 · · Score: 1 · on Platform Independent Gaming?

    Arkanae, which uses the opale.soya librairie which in turn uses GL4java , is a good example. At home, with linux, 1280x1204 windowed, 45 fps ! With a geforce2mx400, duron 600. I find it quite correct even for quakelikes !

  8. Re:Why Libranet? by Howie · · Score: 3, Informative · on Libranet GNU/Linux 2.0 Coming Soon

    Or you can install apt-rpm, and then you can apt-get things.

  9. Re:Old model by havardw · · Score: 2, Informative · on Red Hat Network for the Masses

    Not that I think that Debian can't be a better distribution in some ways, but have you looked at APT for RPM?

  10. Re:Who really knows windows? Or linux? by Howie · · Score: 2 · on Dave Barry Does Windows

    and also, as was pointed out to me last week, APT is now available for RPM-based systems too. It's not bad, although not quite as seamless as on debian, yet.

  11. Apt-get on freshrpms.net by French+Thias · · Score: 1 · on APT - With Your Favorite Distribution

    For those of you running Red Hat Linux 7.2, you can now install and upgrade all the packages found on my enigma.freshrpms.net website by adding this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list :

    rpm ftp://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/apt redhat-freshrpms-7.2/redhat freshrpms

    And now you can "apt-get install xine" or "apt-get install ogle_gui" or even "apt-get install gkrellm-plugins" with less hassles than before! ;-)

    Of course, you first need to get the apt package from here.

    Hoping some people will find this as useful as I do,
    Matthias