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SuSE 8.0 Now Shipping
MobyTurbo writes "Well, it's technically a day late, but SuSE Linux 8.0 is now shipping. The increase from 7.3 to 8.0 is due to the inclusion of KDE 3.0, a SuSE-modified kernel version 2.4.18 (with Andre's VM), an improved firewall, among other packages that have been upgraded or added. (Including a couple of new games. :-) )"
bumperdumper
Thanks.
and it has a couple of problems. they still haven't fixed the memory resource allocator driver ide problem from 6.2.34. also, my pcmcia universal drive-part table is unsupported.
I'm still very impressed with the automaticity of the installation of my 7.3. Almost everything worked out of the box, without one glitch. I'm certain I'll be the first to buy me the 8.0 box when it's in de shops here in Europe.
Suse has always been a great distro, if not a bit bloated at times {though anymore they all are}
depending on if I can find the ISO's, I'll give it a try when I fully convert my system over from win2k.
I tried SuSe before, and it was really cool, but it's gonna have a hardtime beating debian as my desktop OS of choice.
it's determinate on whether or not they have the ISO's available... if they don't, they're losing out on me as a user. probably alot of others as well.
and yes, I do plan on buying the distro I decide on.
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how this compares to Lycoris? Because if there is one distribution that's suited for normal users, it's lycoris. Suse has been trying hard to reacdh the same goal, but version 7 was still far off....
This must be the first distro shipping KDE3, or am I mistaken?
The online update tool in 7.3 does not automagically update to this version yet, and the 8.0 files aren't present in Suse's ftp server. So at the moment it would appear that 8.0 is only available for purchase, not for download/online upgrade.
I pulled a jack move to cop this sig
Just curious.
Wow!
new games???
great! well worth the download!
and I spose including KDE 3.0 is a plus point too...
So, unlike RedHat, they have a legitimate reason for a major version increment?
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http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6015 If you are looking for a review before you just go out and buy software based on free code. Any readers actually have the product yet. Impressions....
There won't be a release with kernel 2.5, that's the development branch. The next stable kernel, ie the one targetted at the not quite so bleeding edge users amongst us, will be 2.6.
I would hope no distro includes 2.5
atleast while kernel.org is calling it a beta kernel
Sun's Grid Engine is included in SuSE 8.0... I think that's a significant addition, as grid computing becomes the "hot" topic amongst CS researchers nowadays. Good to see Linux on the cutting edge.
"Backups are for wimps. Real men upload their data to an FTP site and have everyone else mirror it." -- Linus Torvalds
2.5 would be a beta kernel. I think you mean 2.6.
I believe I saw it already available at a local software store in the Netherlands yesterday...
I'm running SuSE 7.3 and have bought their distros since 6.1.
I really like the way that SuSE comes with so many applications that you can install. With large disks, there's little reason to be without any of the many open source applications out there.
Yes, once in a while you can see the European origins of this distribution, like in the A4 bias for default paper sizes, but generally they're pretty good about providing "en" language users a good interface.
"Provided by the management for your protection."
Er, Red Hat historically have incremented major version numbers when they've shipped major new versions of the kernel, glibc, gcc or rpm. A major number tweak at Red Hat implies binary incompatibility, package incompatibility or a real important upgrade to glibc or the kernel.
nic
Bus error in your favour. Collect 200kB
It just arrived by mail today. I can't wait to try it.
I'm especially keen on seeing how they added Sun Gridware to the distro.
The 8.0 has me a bit puzzled: they still compiled everything with gcc 2.95.3.
DNA is the ultimate spaghetti code.
SuSE 8.0 also includes:
/etc/rc.config and into a Red Hat-style /etc/sysconfig. It is still managed by YaST2, just stored in a different place.
Sun's grid engine software
Star Office 5.2 and Open Office 641c
Updated YaST2 and much improved YaST2 console mode
X 4.2
Alsa 0.9
One of the best firewall scripts anywhere
Fairly major changes in how admin settings are saved, with a lot of stuff moving out of
It is polished and solid, and as always, stuffed with so much software, you could not absorb it all in several years. The upside is that almost everything you might want is in there already. SuSE may not be perfect, but they contribute huge chunks of code to the kernel, KDE, Alsa, Xfree, and NIS projects and that's good for everyone.
Some updates to KDE3 and other packages are already posted to their ftp site, so fire up the YaST Online Update right after the install to get the new goodies.
I run SuSE 7.3 SPARC at the moment and its really good...is the new 8.0 release for i386 only? or do they have a sparc port on the way? i hope they dont kill it off like Red Hat did, they have done a really good job with 7.3 :-)
chris
.sig : bad command or file name
Not if Gentoo Linux counts as a distribution. KDE3 had been part of the official Gentoo install set since version 1.1a, released on 8 April.
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No, it shouldn't. It should have the latest stable kernel, which is 2.4.18 (or maybe 19 by now).
- YAST has gone, just YAST2 is left (as text and as X version). BTW: The text version is awfull to use
- rc.config is away, now s
- Boot disks aren't shipped anymore
- Changing the dummy NVidia driver to the original one crashes X when you don't adjust it manually
There have been a lot of other negative voices on alt.linux.suse, it seems like SuSE is doing the "buy our box and become our beta testers" like M$And, especially when you are doing an update from 7.3 to 8 it can be tricky.
The basic differences are:
Suse is by fat, sausage scoffing crauts.
Mandrake is by irritating, garlic loving frogs.
Red Hat is by noisy, burger munching Yankees.
Take your pick.
They announced it yesterday - it includes StarOffice 6.0 for ProSuite & PowerPack Editions. The announce is here.
Does SuSE 8.0 include StarOffice 6.0 as well?
This must be the first distro shipping KDE3, or am I mistaken?
If you take the word "shipping" literally, maybe.
But I've been using KDE3 for a while on my laptop, running Gentoo 1.1, which, btw, is the best distro I've ever tried.
rmstar
(a) a SuSE Linux project
or(b) sex with a mare
It's amazing how fast the numbers go up in distributions compared to that of the packages within...
;)
Maybe companies should be forced to number their distros based on the average version number of the packages within; that'd cause an interesting non-linear numbering scheme.
jh
jh
Any affiliation with MS? Just wondering, cause I saw this at the bottom:
Lycoris and Desktop/LX are Trademarks of Redmond Linux Corp. © 2001, 2002 Lycoris All Rights Reserved
Looking forward to getting this - currently have 7.3 installed and apart from a few minor niggles it's been superb. Only problem I ever had was that it could never install the AC97 on-board sound on my ECS-SIS motherboard. Definitely looking forward to KDE 3 though...
I wonder how many CD's this one will arrive on...
-Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience-
Still I'm not sure if that's worse or better than frogs, wops or dagoes (French, Italian and Spanish respectively, but not respectfully).
> The increase from 7.3 to 8.0 is due to the inclusion of KDE 3.0, a SuSE-modified kernel version 2.4.18...among other packages that have been upgraded or added.
7.3 + 3.0 + 2.4.18 = 8.0 ???
Maybe some of those other packages had negative version numbers.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Updates are available via FTP servers for free, and through their Red Hat Network channels it's free for the end user (1 free token per user account).
So what you're paying for is to be able to manage all your computers through one interface. SuSE's YOU last time I tried it (7.3) works like Ximian's Red Carpet, or Microsoft's Windows Update, in that all the work is done on the client's side.
Michel
Michel
Fedora Project Contribut
See subject - SuSE 8.0 has been shipping for a while, I've been seeing comments about it in german and swiss newsgroups. These comments range from rather critical to absolutely enthusiastic.
Unfortunately, it's been "in" for a while to bash the "Windows from Nürnberg". IMHO SuSE is very easy to setup for newbies and gurus alike (no time to waste on configuring stuff, leaving time for tinkering on the non-obvious things) and gives you all the power of linux in a nice package.
Can't wait to get my hands on this new version, the features list is quite impressive. I'll get around to it this weekend, probably...
(using SuSE, Debian, RedHat, IPCop, ... on x86,
UltraSparc, Alpha)
Well, it's technically a *week* late. I had my copy of SuSe 8.0 Personal Package in the mailbox (Germany) already at Friday the 12th. (Preordered directly from SuSe.de web site).
:).
Just one comment: Installation went flawlessly on the Gericom Webgine 1630 Notebook. All of the hardware (expect AMR Modem) automatically recognized and initialized
bb4now,
PMC
we-go-we-fly
I was hoping to wait for RH7.3, but perhaps this is a better option.
My real question is how hard will I have to work to move accross all my configs? There's samba/printers/sendmail/etc/etc. Anyone know of a good way of doing RH->Suse without any pain?
DWR is Ajax for Java
Actually I regret posting this now. I have a lot of respect for the Germans and the Americans.
That's not completely true...they don't provide ISO's to the general public. I've been running SuSE 8.0 for about two weeks now, after downloading the ISO's from our internal Linux mirror network. I guess the only reason that they make the ISO's available to us is that we are a partner with them.
I've been pretty impressed, but the kicker in KDE3.0 was giving me problems for a week or so. It seems to have calmed down now, but I don't know why. Kdeinit was taking up 90% of the CPU and the kicker would stop responding to events.
By the way, Yast is now gone - Yast2 has replaced it, both in the GUI and console. It's pretty good, albeit somewhat slow to load its modules.
I've previously bought versions of SuSE, so I don't feel bad about burning this one. I tend to get the whole boxed set about once every major release.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
- Evelyn Beatrice Hall
(I had to add /usr/lib/kde3 to my ld.so.conf and also add /opt/kde3/bin to my path).
Yast, the SuSE installation program is not free, and does not comply to the Open Source definition. Remember that when choosing between SuSE and other distros.
I am using it since 14 days now (live in Germany and subscribed it). It's ok, not many noticable improvements over 7.3 beside KDE 3.0. But what really annoys me is that the kernel is not very stable, at least for some activities. When trying to rip a CD my system freezes after a few minutes. I ripped several dozen CDs with 7.3 without a single problem. Another good way to crash the kernel is to listen to audio using an USB audio device. Sometimes it crashes after 5 minutes, sometimes after 60 minutes, but it will always crash. Since 7.3's had a bug that prevented USB audio from working it's still an improvement, but not a very good one. Playing Tribes 2 with the Nvidia drivers is better, it only crashes after several hours, and I had the same problems with Suse 7.3 as well, at least after the last driver update.
Security updates for RedHat boxen has never been a problem. Just an binary FTP away..
We even went so far as to install the apt package for our servers so we could always have the latest packages a la debian. Sure, I can see how it's not really *free* to su - and then apt-get dist-upgrade if you mean the man hours for me to type two lines...
Unless the bitch is about the kernel install, but how hard is it to download the rpm and type: rpm -ivh kernel-2.4.whatever.rpm?
I choose not to use the prepacked kernels, but for the lazy, it's hell of a *free* way to go!
..cage goes into salsa. Shark's in the salsa. Our shark.
When I bough SuSE 7.1, I got a nice pin and some sticker. That's a big plus, the pin is really nice on my 3 foot tall Tux! :)
I'd rather be sailing...
Thing is, I could never get these parameters set exactly right. It was always tempting to bypass this procedure and configure the system the old-fashioned way.
So here's my question: does SuSE still do things this way? And if so, do people really use these parameters, or do they just blow it off and edit the scripts?
"Stable" has a rather fluid definition when applied to the 2.4 series. If you want real
stability stick to 2.2 , forget about 2.4 (its a lemon IMO) and wait for 2.6 to arrive.
Recieved my copy yesterday, the 22nd. Precisely on time. Like Lord of the Rings, people in Europe have been getting theirs before the US.
StarTux
People complaining about bloat need to take more responsibility. You can choose what to install. If you want to do a full install, fine, if not fine.. Just don't complain when all the options are presented to you in such easily configured ways.
What about this new kernel 2.4.x I keep hearing about? I still run 2.2.13. Do you think I should upgrade?
-- Cheers!
The start variables in rc.config are no longer needed, as they now match run levels much more closely (basically they are deprecating rc.config). You will find individual scripts under /etc/sysconfig.
Also noticed a SuSe hardware boot time hardware detection utility, similer to that of Redhat's.
Gnome 1.4.1 is included too.
Promise IDE Raid controllers are fully supported.
I've been updating my SuSE 7.3 to 8.0 10 days ago. The update changed some settings, for example it activated netsettings received by a DHCP-Server. I did not use a DHCP-Server before. But when I switched off the DHCP-Option, it showed all the previous Network-Settings - except the own local IP-Adress. Some Links in the kicker did not work anymore. Worst is that Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 does not work anymore. When trying to run it tells me, that it does not find the configuration database anymore. I had no time to fix that (to be more exact: I don't know anymore when I will have time to try to fix that, because Evolution is my PIM (-: ). During the Update I had a good feeling, because the update routine asked for every single file I expected it to ask for, because I did not install them via YAST2. The update is not reversible. Some other small things are broken, too. The KDE-Start-Menu was in german before the update and is now in English, for example. Mozilla 0.9.8 crashes very, very often and often crashes while booting, when it crashed before, till the X-Server is restarted. Before the update Mozilla 0.9.8 crashed maybe once a week. When installing the available Patches it did not find a patch (menu_fix-1) it recommended for update. But on the other side, there are no hardware problems, KDE 3 runs really fast and I feel some performance improvements. YAST2 is better than before, but I miss some features from YAST1 (which is not available anymore) or did not find them till now. I also installed SuSE 8.0 on a new machine and that worked absolutely great - all modern hardware was recognized and worked. Simply worked, without additional drivers as necesary in Windows XP in the same configuration. I was very impressed by that. Bye Kuesschen
quick speeling flame
Doesn't look like you should be giving speeling flames.
Regards.
The opposite of progress is congress
am looking for a suitable candidate to get into my sparc box. cant get the update yet (ho hum) back to apt getting from woody will try back later
It wasn't late - there were a dozen copies at my local Borders (Although only the full professional edition, not the update or personal)
Actually, according to UPS, mine shipped 3 days ago.
I am a SuSE user. I chose it over other distros, because I read a number of favourable reviews. One memorably refereed to it as "The Mercedes-Benz of Linux Distros".
I would say this is correct, but not necessary in a good way.
Like the car, It works very well when new, but anyone who tries to tweak of modify anything is liable to break it.
I have concluded that this would probably make a good distro for my Dad, who just wants a reliable set-up, and won't try to install the latest hot thing of the net, but for myself, I intend to switch to a more hacker friendly distro, probably Debian.
*whoosh* That was the sound of the joke going straight over your head...
I hope you have edonkey installed. GET IT!
This is the one thing that really irritates me about SuSE. I love it otherwise. Strange thing is, SuSE ranked very well according to this Linux Standards Base test. I don't know related it is, but it's being touted as SuSE's commitment to standards. I would guess that the system configuration is related to the way YAST is set up.
Having had SuSE 7.3 installed on two of my own boxes and several of my friends', I have to say - Why use SuSE?
If you're not a complete beginner at Linux then the configuration system is pretty nasty. I've observed stability problems with one desktop machine and a mail server that resulted in hard reach-for-reset-switch lockups. The package and update system in Yast is slow and clunky.
I have since switched to mostly using Debian and it's so much better I didn't believe it to start with. A good configuration system, stable, incredible package and update system. And it's completely free (as in beer and speech).
prices & availability ;-)
2.4 has been doing better since Linus passed it to Marcello. 2.4.17 & 18 seem stable enough.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
Red Hat is by noisy, burger munching Yankees.
;)
I beg to differ! Red Hat is located in North Carolina which is BELOW the Mason-Dixion line. Dem's ain't yankees!
--I don't mind the school of hard knocks, it's those darned refresher courses I hate. =)
I would say their way of integrating KDE into the distro and the quick releases of updates to KDE and KDE applications. And the superb service when it comes to getting stability to the packages!
The installation is also by far the best with yast2 it's plain and simple and an upgrade is also easy.
I would say that as a SuSE user you can forget the distro tweaking and concentrate on your work;)
It's great that Suse's finished work on 8.0 and will sell me it for $40-80...but are they putting it on ftp sites yet for download in the spirit of Linux distros?
.iso files with 8.0 to make a truly easy install.
I've always had a bit of a pain downloading 7.3 and it'd be great if they included some
-Barkeep, a draft of your most hazardous brew, for the world is slowly stepping into focus, and I don't like what I see.
Updating seems to be a bad idea with SuSE 8.0. We've had a lot of trouble with updated machines, once we did a clean install, keeping only the /home partitions and reformatting everything else, it ran very smoothly (you *do* have your $HOME in a separate partition, right?).
Somewhat annoying is that there seems to be no clean way to do the move from the old, pre-8 config scheme to the new one. Update doesn't work, and I haven't found any scripts that would automate it any other way. So we had to reconfigure everything (which was not as bad as it sounds, since our machines are largely identical).
I installed 7.3 a while ago, and I know it's supposed to be a super-easy installation, but I just don't see it. It took me several days to get it installed because it always crashes. It even crashed during the successful install, but it was able to pick it back up and keep going to the distance without crashing further. Don't get me wrong, I loved it once it was running, but it just took forever to install, even though it's an Athlon XP, etc. Funny thing, my friend borrowed my CD's and installed it flawlessly. I guess I just have bad luck with making my own computers.
Correct. Red Hat is by noisy, barbeque-scarfing, sweet-tea guzzling, RedMan-chewing, overall-wearing, hillbillies.
Thank ya kindly. Ya'll.
That's exactly what 8.0 changed. They now have several config files, one for every package. Hack away!
I'm all for grids and linux, but since when is incorporating someone else's product in a distro 'cutting edge'? That sounds like MicroSoft-talk!
Does anyone know which version of Tomcat is shipping with SUSE 8.0????
I use it on all my servers, you're probably right, Debian is the better tweakable linux.
SuSE is really good for those of us that are starting because it comes with a NICELY documented book(s) explaining a lot of the basics and the medium difficulty stuff.
They also usually have a tech in their IRC room who will answer questions for you.
In the end I really like SuSE. It's done everything I've required and more. I usually use it as a server without a graphical front end, but even on my two workstations with the graphics, it installed nicely and didn't require me to know more than I need to know to use the systems. And one of them was a laptop.
Two thumbs up!
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
Which version is shipping with SUSE 8.0???
Who standardizes what major version increments mean? You sound like you're looking for an arguement rather than insight.
i think it was understood as a joke. i wouldn't worry about it.
I'm a Windows power user but a relative newbie to Linux, which means I've installed a couple of distros and played around but can't hack away conf files or troubleshoot. I also want a nice GUI and a painless dual boot install.
In the past I've used Suse 7.2 which impressed me a lot. Then I began reading about how great Mandrake was for a Linux desktop, and the fit and polish that went into 8.2. AFAICT, the only thing missing from 8.2 is KDE 3.
From a lot of the posts here, I gather that upgrading to KDE 3 is best accomplished by getting the source and compiling yourself, something that I am not comfortable with.
Would you guys recommend Suse or Mandrake as the way to go? Apart from the obvious 'try both' response, I'd like some insight or links to comparitive reviews.
Thanks
Gentoo Linux. Further up the food chain yet.
It's quite a shame that SuSE doesn't provide ISO images on their ftp. I understand they are merely trying to make some money off of their efforts, but they're turning away a significant portion of their potential customer base.
SuSE was my first experience with linux (i actually purchased it), and I would like to give it another shot, but there is no way I am going out to drop cash on the whole package without trying it. I would be delighted if they even released a minimal base install ISO for download, and I'm sure many other people would agree. If I could try out a base install of the new system I would gladly go out and buy all of the additional CD's for a complete system. Unfortunately this isn't the case.
I'm writing from a SuSE 8. I brought yesterday a box of "SuSE 8.0 Professional"
It's an awensome distro. SuSE did an incredible work from 7.3:
And many more.. gimme some time to discover everything... :-)
Pila
---Pila---
Perhaps because QT is ass-slow and RAM-hungry compared to gtk, wasn't free for a long time, and is a freaking bloated single library (unlike gtk...if I want just glib, I just use glib...no reimplementation of the STL here).
SuSE doesn't have anything particularly wrong with them (aside from being the only distro I know of not to actually allow downloading ISOs, and having a lower degree of compatibility with most third party packaged software from their lower market share), so as long as they stay in business, I could see people that started out with them sticking with them through inertia. SuSE isn't my favorite distro, but it isn't "bad". Qt is "bad".
The whole neat thing about Linux is that you aren't constrained to use a distro as a black box in the way it was packaged -- season to taste. I think it's quite rational to want to remove Qt from SuSE.
May we never see th
suse modified kernel version 2.4.18 (with Andre's VM)
Ok, whats modified? Wheres the changelog? Is Andre's VM not included in 2.4.18?
Currently I am using 2.4.19-pre7 with preempt-kernel-rml-2.4.19-pre7-1.patch. Im very happy, stable as hell, smooth desktop now. Really would like to know what Suse has modified.
barbecue-eatin' tobacco-spittin' whisky-drinkin' loudmouth rednecks!
Yes, once in a while you can see the European origins of this distribution, like in the A4 bias for default paper sizes, but generally they're pretty good about providing "en" language users a good interface.
Aargh! Brain exploding. It's St George's Day so hello moderators. England - an island next to mainland Europe. Inhabitants speak English (OK, most of the time, I'm cool about that). Mostly metric and despite what some would say, mostly European. And on good terms with our friends across the Atlantic. Sigh.
Bum! England is situated on an island next to mainland Europe ... (please excuse jingoistic rush of blood to head, struggling to find national identity today (23rd) more tea vicar?)
Nope, Red Hat is by barbeque-munchin', Confederate flag-wavin', NASCAR-lovin' rednecks.
You got the noisy part right tho :).
there are also experimental kde3.0 packages for debian. although not the stablest, it's there and easy to install. so dont feel left out.
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http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=14
my blog
Et moi, j'aime les Francais aussi.
I hereby inform you that I have NOT been required to provide any decryption keys.
Why don't we just switch over to metric like the
rest of the planet?
After several years of only metric I come home to
these asinine measurements. Talk about a
trade impediment.
I ordered mine at www.suse.co.uk last week. Hasn't arrived yet though ;-(
I love stacking my barbecues in the shed at the end of summer - you can't beat a bit of grill on grill action.
Give me a break. Really. Take 10 seconds and
you will be using yast2 like a pro.
Yast took some getting used to and so does yast2
but the switchover is easy enough.
Granted not a single software company
understands the concept that constant change does
NOT lead to steady improvement. Why can't
they just fix the bugs in the product as it
stands and leave the interface alone. Oh yeah
they have to sell new books and new certs.
silly me
Technically, it's more than a day late. I placed my order when 8.0 was announced and as of Tue, 4/23 4:30pm my order shows as "backordered" on Suse's website.
I WANT MY KDE 3 !!!! WEEP WEEP
Here in NC. We prefer the name TARHEELS.
I got my copy on Friday, the 19th, delivered to New York in the US. I've already been wooping it up with transgaming's WineX 2.0, on my geforce 4600 ti. The thing I miss most is the Yast1 package manager. Ag great ascii based menu tool that you could run at a CLI. I used it via ssh on server's all the time.
Aside from the missing (and missed) Yast1, 8.0 is solid. I've had no issues, it comes with all the latest and greatest packages and online update is always a boon.
If it's got BZFlag built-in then it ROCKS!
If it can go wrong it wnetscape: Segmentation Fault, Core dumped
I bet there are some boys at Duke University who would like to have a chat with you about that one. ;)
--I don't mind the school of hard knocks, it's those darned refresher courses I hate. =)
G e n t o o L i n u x
www.gentoo.org
omg noooo....the horror.....the horror
and anyone would care because.....?
unplug and get a life, geek
Suse 8.0 only has StarOffice 5.2, but it does include the latest OpenOffice build (the one that just came out).
Need a Linux consultant in New Orleans?
And there are some people at UNC that would love to chat with them over a friendly game of football ;-)
The ability to monopolize an industry is insignificant, next to the power of the source.
I'd have to go digging through my old CDs, but there was a RedHat release that had "Redneck" as an install language choice. It was a hoot!
Although my heart swells with pride as each new major Linux version is released, the instability of this converns me. Actually, it's the most unstable 'high-end' linux I've ever put on my test box.
However, I haven't spent the time balancing, hacking away to solve problems etc etc. This is just a prelim comment. Has anyone else had initial system problems like this?
PII 300, TNT1, 256MB ram, 20G Deskstar, Gigabyte board. Could just be me :) In fact, it probably is.
Move faster
and it has a couple of problems. they still haven't fixed the memory resource allocator driver ide problem from 6.2.34. also, my pcmcia universal drive-part table is unsupported.
.1 releases really seam to be QA releases with a few new features.
.0 releases.
Repeat after me. dot-zero releases are buggy Linux distros. The basic attitude (and perhaps justifiable) is that these releases are showcase distributions and the
I remember 7.0 which handily would have metadata corruption with Raiserfs-- fixed in 7.1.
Don't even get me started on Red Hat's or Conectiva's
I will personally wait until 8.1 before upgrading.
I only use dot-zero releases when I have little other choice.
LedgerSMB: Open source Accounting/ERP
Juect checked out ftp.suse.com and i see that they have not uploaded 8.0 on there Servers. I was going to install 8.0 on my new Dell Inspiron 8200. I hope they upload it soon.
I am Pakistani And No! I do not own a 7/11! And my NAME is not Apu! --Zuhaib
Quand à moi, ce sont plus les françaises que j'aime bien (especially if they're well stacked -- oy, I'm such a pig (man, just realized that being a sexist Jew is not Kosher ;-)).
Miss it too, just wish I could update RPM's as quickly as one did with yast1.
StarTux
Well, SuSE is a nice distribution for beginners and you get things done with it, but recently there were some issues that I didn't like at all.
When upgrading my laboratory server from SuSE 7.0 to SuSE 7.2 I found out that there was no longer any support for Token Ring adapters included. So I had to go on the net and find the modules on my own.
Usually you should wait a couple of weeks before doing the upgrade and in this weeks you should frequently have a look at SuSE's support database to see what "features" were found.
Well, with SuSE 8.0 there is no doubt why here in Germany they are calling it "Windows from Nuremberg". Its just another collection of the latest software. Take a look at KDE 3.0, SuSE announced it when KDE 3.0 was still in beta status. Thinking of the production time of a lot of CDs I guess that the official distribution still contains a beta or maybe just a release candidtate. Well, maybe even the beta works fine. But I want first of all a stable system before I try out new features. And I don't want to have a hell of a job after upgrading because several things don't work anymore.
So my choice is going towards Debian because this distribution seems to be quality driven instead of marketing driven.
Why don't we just switch over to metric like the rest of the planet?
:)
Assuming the the "we" equates to the US it's probably to do with the US like to doing things differently from the rest of the planet. An extreme case of NIH (Not Invented Here) syndrome.
The US did actually sign the "Treaty of the metre", but since when did the US signing a treaty actually mean anything
Apologies. Big time case of H.U.A.S. (Head Up Ass Syndrome) yesterday.
The opposite of progress is congress
-- will allways be first: ;-)
cause they've got no shipping