Domain: uceprotect.net
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domain issues
From his original post, there is a clear date he claims the FP rate to have gone up... so this isn't a blanket Gmail FP rate issue, but rather a Gmail or spam blacklist incident, which is quite different from what the summary would suggest. As of right now:
http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3aLKML.ORG&run=toolpagelkml.org Added to UCEPROTECTL2
Uceprotectl2 Automatically Delists Entries
This blacklist does not offer any form of manual request to delist. Your IP Address will either automatically expire from listing after a given timeframe, or after time expires from the last receipt of spam into their spamtraps from your IP Address.
Uceprotectl2 Accepts Payments Or Donations
This blacklist does support a manual request to remove, delist, or expedite your IP Address from their database upon Payment or Donation of fees to their organization. Please note the following; 1) MxToolBox does not in any way advocate the paying of removal from any blacklists. 2) Removal requests that are submitted without addressing the core problem will likely result in your IP Address being relisted in the database which can cause subsequent problems and extended listing periods without release.
More information about UCEPROTECTL2 can be found at their website: http://www.uceprotect.net/
Reason for listing - Net 146.185.176.0/21 is UCEPROTECT-Level2 listed because 36 abusers are hosted by RCN-ASN - Reality Check Network Corp./AS46652 there. See: http://www.uceprotect.net/rblc...
UCEPROTECTL2 seems a bit shady, but I am not blacklist expert.
Also as a side note, any spam filter that attempts context evaluation has a tendency to mark emails with code or special character formatting as spam. Even emails with links. So for someone like Linus to have a higher blanket spam FP rate is also not surprising.
The best gmail feature is the "never treat as spam" filter.
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domain issues
From his original post, there is a clear date he claims the FP rate to have gone up... so this isn't a blanket Gmail FP rate issue, but rather a Gmail or spam blacklist incident, which is quite different from what the summary would suggest. As of right now:
http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3aLKML.ORG&run=toolpagelkml.org Added to UCEPROTECTL2
Uceprotectl2 Automatically Delists Entries
This blacklist does not offer any form of manual request to delist. Your IP Address will either automatically expire from listing after a given timeframe, or after time expires from the last receipt of spam into their spamtraps from your IP Address.
Uceprotectl2 Accepts Payments Or Donations
This blacklist does support a manual request to remove, delist, or expedite your IP Address from their database upon Payment or Donation of fees to their organization. Please note the following; 1) MxToolBox does not in any way advocate the paying of removal from any blacklists. 2) Removal requests that are submitted without addressing the core problem will likely result in your IP Address being relisted in the database which can cause subsequent problems and extended listing periods without release.
More information about UCEPROTECTL2 can be found at their website: http://www.uceprotect.net/
Reason for listing - Net 146.185.176.0/21 is UCEPROTECT-Level2 listed because 36 abusers are hosted by RCN-ASN - Reality Check Network Corp./AS46652 there. See: http://www.uceprotect.net/rblc...
UCEPROTECTL2 seems a bit shady, but I am not blacklist expert.
Also as a side note, any spam filter that attempts context evaluation has a tendency to mark emails with code or special character formatting as spam. Even emails with links. So for someone like Linus to have a higher blanket spam FP rate is also not surprising.
The best gmail feature is the "never treat as spam" filter.
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Re:wrong on all accounts
Monitoring their blacklist for your IPs is not "hard"
Neither is distinguishing between "having open relays", "sending perfectly legitimte e-mail to addresses that have a new (domain) owner" and "sending spam", but they don't do it - you will always be slandered (called "spammer") and your business will be disrupted by their blacklisting, even if no spam e-mail was ever sent by your hosts. Last time I checked, they will even blacklist you for having a vacation responder at the address they send their probes to and on one occurrence they kept blacklisting us with the following reason (i.e. their probes that prolonged the blacklisting were these lines):
postfix/smtp[....]: XXXX: to=, relay=XXXX:25, delay=[...] status=bounced (host XXX said: 571 Your IP is BLACKLISTED at UCEPROTECT-LEVEL 1 - See: http://www.uceprotect.net/rblcheck.php?ipr=XXX (in reply to RCPT TO command))
So basically they extended the blacklisting because we were blacklisted, at least that was the reason in the logs (which we were supposed to use to find a problem on our side).
In fact the problem was that we had a registered user many years ago with a domain that had changed owner in the mean time and was used as a spam honeypot now - how do we "debug" that, let alone prevent it? And why do we need to "punished" with a blacklisting when we obviously did nothing wrong (or should we demand of our users to tell us when their e-mail provider sells a domain or goes belly-up?).
What is usually ignored by people in this thread is the simple fact that no spam e-mail is required to get you blacklisted, they don't seem to classify e-mail at all, that needs to be understood.
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Re:Sue in UK for defamation
You say:
Ever considered the fact that UCEprotect might be a legitimate organization? (I wouldn't know)
But then you say:
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS AN OPTIONAL OFFER ONLY.
YOU ARE LOSING YOUR RIGHT TO EXPRESSDELIST YOUR IP IF YOU ARE STUPID AND CLAIMING THIS WOULD BE BLACKMAIL, EXTORTION, SCAM OR SIMILAR BULLSHIT.I think we know whether they're a professional organisation...
Let's also take a look at their website, and their 'Cart00ney' publication of legal documents Piratebay-stylee.
If they're not an outright illegitimate organisation, they're a jolly dubious one.
They also seem to imply that they're involved with 'Bavarian municipals', but seem awfully coy about naming them.A good response may be to draw the attention of the service providers you can't get email through to as to the nature of the outfit they're getting their blacklist from.
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Re:Neuter the zombies
We already know where the zombies are. Hard working volunteers collect and publish (among other things) zombies, an ever growing list of the nodes used to carry out spam runs, DoS attacks, and other mischief.
cbl, sorbs, uceprotect, wpbl, and others all publish this info in near realtime
That's where the info is. A responsible ISP has to search the lists for their hosts and then go from there.
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Re:Not noticing the increase
Blacklists, my friend. Here's my current list:
rsync-mirrors.uceprotect.net : Level 2 - Fast local blocking
combined.njabl.org - For dynamic IPs and other
dnsbl.sorbs.net - For open relays
relays.ordb.org - For open relays
list.dsbl.orgM - Various types of Unsecured servers
dnsbl.tqmcube.com - dynamic IPs, spam trap
bl.spamcop.net - Spam trap
sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org - Known spammers, exploited servers
l2.spews.dnsbl.sorbs.net - Spam friendly ISPs
dnsbl.ahbl.org - Realtime composite
About four of those are composites, and contain blocks for dynamic IPs. Each link goes to the usage page for the blacklist, and if you want, you can just block dynamic IPs by using the correct subdomain. -
Pay and you get removed
I have found an interesting offer: pay 50 bucks and you are removed immediately from the spam list. Have a look here.
Interesting: The company won't say who they are. They say this was approved by local authorities, but this is bullshit. Local authorities can not brake federal law in Germany. -
Pay and you are removed from the list
I have found an interesting offer: pay 50 bucks and you are removed immediately from the spam list. Have a look here
Interesting: The company won't say who they are. They say this was approved by local authorities, but this is bullshit. Local authorities can not brake federal law.