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Cyber Crime Hits Big Time This Year

An anonymous reader writes to point out the Washington Post's analysis of this year's spike in junk email and online attacks, such as botnets and worms. Image-embedded spam emails made up an amazing percentage of all messages sent in the months of October and November, and something like four million bots are actively adding to that total. These botnets are also increasingly connected to organized crime, as are 'independent' hacker groups. The article goes on for three pages, and doesn't have a lot of hope that 2007 will look a whole lot better. From the article: "Experts worry that businesses will be slow to switch to the [Windows Vista]. And even if consumers rush to upgrade exiting machines or purchase new ones that include Vista, Microsoft will continue to battle security holes in legacy versions of Microsoft Office, which are expected to remain in widespread use for the next 5-10 years."

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  1. "Experts worry that businesses..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Experts worry that businesses will be slow to switch to the [Windows Vista]. "

    Maybe because Vista isn't written for security or for the businessess, or for anyone who buys it, its written for DRM and for the RIAA and MPAA.

    1. Re:"Experts worry that businesses..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What do the RIAA/MPAA have to do with UAC, ASLR, or Kernel Patch Protection? I'm not saying that DRM features are not present (or even well implemented) in Vista, but to imply that Vista wasn't "written for security" is ignorance at its finest.

    2. Re:"Experts worry that businesses..... by Ruff_ilb · · Score: 1

      The RIAA and MPAA are businesses =)

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    3. Re:"Experts worry that businesses..... by bky1701 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hmm...

      RIAA Jim: Hey, we just got some file-sharers here. Quick save the packets and download the files so we can nab them!
      RIAA Bob: Umm, Jim, I donno know to do that on this new windows...
      RIAA Jim: Idiot, press that button.
      RIAA Bob: I did, it just says "you cannot download this file".
      Both: WTF?

      Sounds like a plan to me. ;)

    4. Re:"Experts worry that businesses..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have mod points. GP was 5, P was 3. They're now both 4. (P was first post.)

    5. Re:"Experts worry that businesses..... by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 1

      My jaded opinion is that the security features are there to keep you from breaking the DRM, but what do I know.

    6. Re:"Experts worry that businesses..... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      To imply that any Microsoft product is "written for security" is even more ignorant. Each successive version of Microsoft Windows is marketed as being "the most secure Windows to date!" which, while sometimes true, is a far cry from being actually secure. A more reasonable summation might be that Microsoft never gets anything right on the first release. Technically, they rarely get everything right ever, but from a security perspective it would be wise to stick with known quantities (2K and XP) and wait for the first service pack or two before jumping on Vista. That is, if security is at all important to you.

      There's a reason why smart people put their Windows machines behind non-Windows firewalls, and don't use Microsoft applications to provide Internet and Web services. I mean, most of us don't trust Microsoft to keep their word about, well, much of anything so I see no reason to accept their assurances that Vista was "written for security."

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  2. Crime and technology by Esteanil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As the number of people online grow, the crime scene grows with it (at a slight delay).
    A large enough number of people for crime to be viable online will stay gullible, no matter what we do.
    This is another one of those "Wars" we simply cannot win. We can try to educate the masses, but in general it will not work.
    A number of people within any social network will be defrauded somehow, and as they tell their stories (which most of them won't, afraid to seem a fool in the eyes of their peers), eventually these networks will become more resistant to attacks.

    We can design tools to help this process. But there will never be a technical tool to stop all, or even a significant amount of the crime and fraud that goes on out there.
    It's the American dream - everyone can make it rich, and some people will always think that it's the mail/phonecall/whatever they just received that'll make it happen for them.

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    1. Re:Crime and technology by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      It's the American dream - everyone can make it rich

      The "American Dream" for the average person is rapidly becoming the notion of actually owning a home without a 75-year or interest-only mortgage.

  3. Thank you Spamthru & Warezov by GrumpySimon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not much on specifics in TFA, but apparently the major increase in spam (mainly those pump'n'dump stock scams) appears to due to the Spamthru trojan which is being dropped by Warezov.

    We've had a few stories on this before here and here.

  4. Anti-virus needs a new direction. by khasim · · Score: 3, Interesting
    From TFA:
    Some software security vendors suspect that a new Trojan horse program that surfaced last month, dubbed "Rustock.B" by some anti-virus companies, may serve as the template for malware attacks going forward. The program morphs itself slightly each time it installs on a new machine in an effort to evade anti-virus software. In addition, it hides in the deepest recesses of the Windows operating system, creates invisible copies of itself, and refuses to work under common malware analysis tools in an attempt to defy identification and analysis by security researchers.

    Yet, with a boot CD on Linux, I can inventory everything on the local hard drive and quarantine any suspect files. Yes, including loadable modules for the kernel.

    Why aren't we seeing that for Windows? Running an anti-virus app on the system itself is useless if the system can be compromised at a more privileged level than the app is running at.

    Not to mention that the users are notorious for NOT keeping their anti-virus apps updated.

    And ISP's really should be looking at blocking or actively monitoring outbound connections to port 25. Come on! It's not that difficult.
    1. Re:Anti-virus needs a new direction. by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I just wonder why these people who are so good at compromising Windows' security don't go legal and start writing anti-virus software. They obviously know all the tricks. Seems theirs would be the best AV software in the world and they could sell it and make loads of cash legally. Why, I wonder, does this not happen?

      TLF

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    2. Re:Anti-virus needs a new direction. by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because to profit on writing anti-virus software you have to have a lot of financial backing, and it takes a lot of patience. If you get steal an identity, it can be a major windfall tomorrow. To write good antivirus software, you have to compete with a bunch of people who are attempting to monopolize the market and have the credentials. And be able to advertise. It's just a lot easier overall to steal large chunks of cash from stupid Americans.

    3. Re:Anti-virus needs a new direction. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear Slashdot,

      Don't hate us because we're more attractive than you. Hate us because we're better.

      Sincerely,
      Mac users

    4. Re:Anti-virus needs a new direction. by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      AIUI, the one part of the malware that can't morph is the part that does the morphing, and that's the part they anti-spyware can hunt for. It's a clever-sounding idea, but won't work for long in practice.

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    5. Re:Anti-virus needs a new direction. by Nasarius · · Score: 1
      AIUI, the one part of the malware that can't morph is the part that does the morphing
      That's just not true. If you know assembly language, it should be fairly obvious that it's easy to alter any code and have it retain the same functionality. Take the simplest case of randomly inserting NOPs. Then take it to the next level of writing multi-instruction code that is the equivalent of a NOP (the possibilities are effectively infinite). Suddenly you can obfuscate ANY chunk of machine code without changing the functionality, including the code that does the obfuscating.

      There have been a number of articles written on the subject, but I can't remember the authors offhand. Poke around on Google for polymorphic code.
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    6. Re:Anti-virus needs a new direction. by Namlak · · Score: 1

      And ISP's really should be looking at blocking ... port 25

      As the keeper of a corporate network that includes laptop-wielding field personnell, this is a major PITA. I currently have them hitting our corporate SMTP server with SMTP authentication. Until someone's ISP starts blocking or redirecting port 25, then I have to instruct the user to change their outbound SMTP server to that of their ISP (which they never know but expect me to, or to find out). Now they take the laptop out into the wild and want to send an email. It tries to send it through their home ISP's email server but it won't accept that because they are outside the ISP's network. Now I have to tell them to put the corp SMTP server back in their Outlook setup. It's even worse when the "road isp" blocks - yep, another SMTP setup they have to manage.

      Email is becoming ruined as a reliable business tool. The only reasonable option I see is to go to 100% HTML email.

    7. Re:Anti-virus needs a new direction. by bky1701 · · Score: 1

      "And ISP's really should be looking at blocking or actively monitoring outbound connections to port 25. Come on! It's not that difficult."

      Mine already DOES this, the problem is, I have a few legit uses for that port (well, at least not illegal). At least 3 I have had did it, same as port 80. They use the virus EXCUSE, but it's just that...

    8. Re:Anti-virus needs a new direction. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Don't hate us because we're more [imageshack.us] attractive [imageshack.us] than you [atspace.com]. Hate us because we're [com.com] better [metafacts.com]."

      An emo, what looks like a transsexual, a image of nerds, a page that had no connection to anything (bet you can't write C, to spite being much smarter...) and what looks like an ad for apple.

      Say what?

    9. Re:Anti-virus needs a new direction. by gregmac · · Score: 1

      If this is an issue for you, you should be using another port.. but more importantly, if you have on-the-road users sending email, USE SSL! Not only is it a different port (that almost certainly isn't blocked), but it encrypts the email. This is extra important when you consider how much WiFi networks are used. While you're at it, make sure you use SSL-enabled POP3 and IMAP, for the same reasons.

      It amazes me how many sys admins would scoff at using telnet to log into a server, make sure all their web apps run on https, and then check their email with plain-text POP3.

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  5. One e-mail address to rule them all.. One e-mail.. by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seriously. I have like 5 email accounts, and I doubt that's a lot compared to some people who use e-mail more than me. Three of which I will drop at a moments notice. The other two I consider untouchable. They are whitelisted. You want to get to my good ones? You gotta go through the other three. Then, and only then, will you get to my inner e-mail sanctum.

    So bots and spam and worms and identity phishers don't get to me. Part of the reason is that I simply don't pay attention to e-mails from unsolicited sources. That's half the reason cyber crime works at all: people are idiots when it comes to computers. Odds are you know someone who sees a pop-up disguised to look like an authentic Windows message box and clicks on the buttons thinking they are actually talking to Windows and not some porn-site-based phisher and thief. Odds are you know someone who thinks those e-mails are from someone with an actual product instead of a phishing scam, like a second chance offer from www.ebay.cra.cz or something similar.

    These criminals are simply separating stupid people and their money. I know, I know, it's a harsh perspective. You know somebody who got nailed so you want to mod me down because I called your friend stupid. Well, hopefully they learned. The saying goes, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. It's true.

    TLF

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  6. Learner's license. by delire · · Score: 1

    At a certain point internet users are going to have to get down with the fact that spam isn't like weather, it's not an environmental effect. They're going to have to learn to make sensible choices: like not using Outlook express, IE, not exposing their email on their websites in clear text, mass CC'ing friends and realising that by using operating systems like Windows they are supporting a broader economic machinery that provides a ready platform for the widest possible proliferation of spam, despite the empty pledge of our self-elected baysean martyr, Sir Gates.

    Only then will we start to see a real reduction in spam in general. Spam is, in part, a supply and demand system. We're getting alot of spam because statistically speaking, it's justifying the expense of its implementation and distribution. Windows especially is actively a part of the macro-economics of spam, the multi-billion dollar cat and mouse game that it is. Stop supporting the proliferation of spam. Companies, schools, organistions ought to take responsibility for educating the users of the computer terminals they provide and make sane choices come time for them to spend their technology budget.

    1. Re:Learner's license. by name*censored* · · Score: 2, Insightful
      They're going to have to learn to make sensible choices: like not using Outlook express, IE [...]operating systems like Windows
      To be fair, one of the reasons that OE/IE/Windoze are so insecure is that they're so popular - and thus, hackers/etc work overtime to find every little security hole. If everyone switched over to say, Thunderbird/Firefox/Linux, then the hackers/etc would do the exact same thing as what they're doing to IE/OE/Windoze.

      Having said that, it would HELP if everyone switched to Thunderbird/Firefox/Linux, because 1) They're better written, 2) It's harder to hit a moving target, 3) That level of mobility would put a serious crimp in the morality of hackers/etc. It's a little like how smalltime MMOs can easily control and boot out (goldfarmers/general troublemakers) since there's so few of them as noone wants THEIR ingame money, and the ones that are there stick out like a sore thumb... but in WoW, you'll never be able to fully erradicate them, there's just too many and the lure is too great.
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    2. Re:Learner's license. by keeboo · · Score: 1

      The sad cold truth is that nobody cares.

      ISPs are not going to pressure their users, Joe User could simply switch to another company, or feel abused and bring the case to justice, or something like that.

      Universities, gov't institutions in general... There is politics everywhere you walk in those places. No tie-wearing person wants to burn him/herself forcing people to use non-Windows OSes, to prohibit usage of Outlook Express, to prohibit installation of junkware into their Windows boxes, even making the users liable for anything bad that happens when they do something stupid.

      The users themselves usually do not even know on how stupid are the things they do. When those users are informed, they simply do not care and continue behaving like before.


      In the specific case of SPAM, the governments are to blame too, by not creating/applying the laws against the ones responsible.

    3. Re:Learner's license. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At a certain point lemmings are going to have to get down with the fact that jumping off cliffs before being equipped with an umbrella is dangerous.

  7. Battle? What battle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft will continue to battle security holes in legacy versions of Microsoft Office

    Right now, Microsoft has a number of known documented security holes in Office, and they don't seem to be doing very much about it.

    Microsoft's suggestion, not opening office documents from other people, isn't realistic with most companies.

    1. Re:Battle? What battle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right now, Microsoft has a number of known documented security holes in Office, and they don't seem to be doing very much about it. And those security flaws are not flaws in their DRM. Therefore, they don't give a damn.
  8. Jail one spammer a month by Animats · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What we need is more effective law enforcement. There aren't that many spammers any more. Look how few different spams show up. The top three or four spams represent most of the volume. We need a law enforcement effort aimed at finding the top ten spammers and putting them in jail.

    1. Re:Jail one spammer a month by Timesprout · · Score: 0, Troll

      Personally I want it legalised to find them and beat the fucking shit out of them just like I can if I catch them interfering with my property. Prolonged hospital treatment will discourage most of them from repeat offending.

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    2. Re:Jail one spammer a month by phoenixwade · · Score: 1
      No, Go After the money.

      The reason for spam is that someone is making money from the spam.

      Go after the companys that are benefiting from spam - and take All the money they make and then some. AND go after the stupid consumer who is actually answering spam and buying stuff.

      Of course, to do anything we need to define what Spam is, and what it is not. Give marketers a way to direct market without the email in question being spam (I'm a fan of OPT-IN only lists, you can send to me only if I ask you to) - and then drop the hammer on everyone who doesn't play by the rules.

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    3. Re:Jail one spammer a month by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not so easy. A significant fraction of the spam I get is pump-and-dump scams. Are you going to punish everybody who makes money from FOO.OB? And how are you going to distinguish the idiots buying FOO.OB because they got some spam hyping it and those who really just want to invest?

      Only a trivial fraction of spam is for legitimate businesses where you can easily attempt to trace the money. The rest of all illegal, so the money trails will be hard to track because it's all laundered.

      dom

    4. Re:Jail one spammer a month by Animats · · Score: 1

      How many people bought FOO.OB in the weeks before the spam? Those things can be traced. It might require applying pressure to a number of intermediaries to follow the money, but that's not impossible; it's just hard work.

      One of the problems with law enforcement is that they generally don't have big travel budgets. It's unusual for cop types to just get on a plane and go someplace - they need too much authorization. What's needed is an anti-spam consortium funded by big mail recipients like AOL and Google, headed by some good ex-FBI agent, employing good investigators in the main spam countries (former KGB people are easily available), and with a big travel budget. And a big budget for paying off informants.

  9. Printable version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
  10. Re:One e-mail address to rule them all.. One e-mai by jfengel · · Score: 1

    Until some jackass forwards you an article, includes you on a mass email, sends you an e-card, etc.

    Like you, I've got an array of email address (scores of them, actually), with one final true "use this if you must reach me" email address known only to a very few close, personal, and technologically savvy friends. Gradually I blacklist the ones that get too much spam, but sadly the primary general-acquaintances email address is in full spammer rotation now, and I may have to drop it soon. That will be painful. The filter I use keeps it to a tolerable level, but just barely.

  11. Designer Diseases by delire · · Score: 1

    Furthermore, don't wait around for fscking Vista to fix problems that Microsoft cannot afford to fix.

    Protecting computers from vulnerabilities that need not be there in the first place is a multi-billion dollar business encompassing thousands of product and service vendors world-wide that ultimately trickle capital back up the vulnerability supply chain.

    This bizarre altruistic myth of Microsoft working around the clock to solve these problems, to deliver the customer a trouble-free computing experience, is to be awash on the shoals of pure reason. It is idiocy. No monopoly in it's right mind can afford to produce a flawless, self-obsolescing product. MS is all about creating a sickness and providing itself as the only cure. There's no reason that given time, Apple would do otherwise either - such is the legacy of these old proprietary software corporations and their rental operating systems.

    If you want to step out of this self-flagellating pit, try a desktop quality BSD or find peace in the sanity of a certain brownish distribution of Linux.

  12. And finding one exploitable hole is not difficult. by khasim · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And don't forget that one cracker can find one exploitable hole and make a lot of money off of it. Either in "identity theft" for by creating a zombie army and selling those services.

    If s/he went legit and tried to sell anti-virus software, s/he would need to be as good or better than all the other virus/worm/trojan writers out there. The payoff vs effort quickly becomes worthless. A little effort for a big payoff is what crime is all about (and a number of other endeavors).

  13. Neuter the zombies by WoTG · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think that 2007 is the year we'll see action from ISPs to proactively neuter zombies on their network. It's been several years of DDOS's now and the technology to compile which IPs have been hacked is available. All we need is some incentive to push ISPs to look after their own network. Maybe make a public list of the worst ISPs for sending SPAM?

    1. Re:Neuter the zombies by GrumpySimon · · Score: 1

      So, 2007's the year for neutering on the desktop? I guess linux will have to wait until 2008.

    2. Re:Neuter the zombies by bigberk · · Score: 1

      We already know where the zombies are. Hard working volunteers collect and publish (among other things) zombies, an ever growing list of the nodes used to carry out spam runs, DoS attacks, and other mischief.

      cbl, sorbs, uceprotect, wpbl, and others all publish this info in near realtime

      That's where the info is. A responsible ISP has to search the lists for their hosts and then go from there.

  14. Spamkillers and Law Enforcement Are Not Effective by sciop101 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Let me represent myself to you. This letter reaches your because you have been presented as a reasonable and trusted person.

    The attached image is my own personage representing me as a reasonable and trusted person. My truthful intentions are above reproach and presented to you in a reasonable and trusted manner.

    I get one of these about every other two or three months. I just build another filter and notify my ISP.

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  15. Yep, I've sent more spam this year, tis true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know I've sent a lot more spam this year. So far on the order of 100,000 emails.

    But most of you will be happy. Its all been on Myspace.

  16. Re:One e-mail address to rule them all.. One e-mai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read his post again for the solution to your problem - a whitelist. I have one "top level" email that is whitelisted, and of course doesn't get more then a message or two a day. Then I have 2 or 3 "main" emails with simple, decent, blacklist filters that see real use (and are rotated, very rarely) and then one "open" hotmail address that dies like weekly... when I have to register for something I know is bad I remake it, use it once, then leave it alone to die under space limits and inactivity in a week or two.

  17. This is all Microsoft's fault! by linux+pickle · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If they hadn't made such an insecure operating system, we wouldn't have any of these problems!!

    I hate that argument, because its completely incorrect. The vast majority of people who use computers have little idea how they work, or the difference between viruses and spyware and adware. If it's easy for them to do what they need to do, they'll be happy. Linux may be extremely secure, but the reason it is hardly used as a desktop OS is because the vast majority of people don't know how to easily do what they need to do using it. To meet all users desires, you'll always have to sacrifice some security for ease-of-use. IMHO, Microsoft has done quite a decent job of making this balance in Windows. For all the people who do know how to use a computer and want security, there's Linux and OS X.

    The fact is that you'll always have a lot people who use the easiest thing available, even if it is insecure. You'll always have the people who turn off the firewall because it makes their IM program not work, you'll always have the people who ignore the 'This file may harm your computer!' dialog. As a result, malware, worms, etc. will always be a problem.

    1. Re:This is all Microsoft's fault! by melikamp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Microsoft has done quite a decent job of making this balance in Windows.

      What a joke. The following are purely design flaws which you cannot excuse by saying that they are being exploited only because Windows/Office are popular.

      1. By default, all userland applications are granted Administrator's privileges. I cannot think of a suitable comment for this stupidity.

      2. By default, IE is capable of running applets with the said privileges. This would be dumb even if they were user privileges. Executable code which affects the system should be downloaded and then run locally. Just two more clicks, but now even a very dim user knows that a program is being run, whereas before he assumed that he's just browsing the Web.

      3. The de-facto document exchange format, .doc, is imbued with executable code which, wait for it... runs with administrative privileges. Let's not whine about how .doc is not an exchange format, because it is. That's what people corroborate on and email each other for revisions. It has its flaws but it does a good job. Sticking VBA in it is like handing little Johnnie a vial of nitroglycerin and saying: now be a good kid; if you jump too much, you won't have a good time.

      4. Getting a program involves running an executable file. This is a very grave flaw in the design. Much malware would be curbed if MS switched to a good packaging scheme and eliminated the need of ever dealing with .exe (for a not-so-clever user, that is). Ubuntu can do it, why cannot Microsoft? On my laptop, the only program I ever had to install by hand was ies4lin. Everything else (and I am quite a whore when it comes to software) was available through the Multiverse. Once a user is shown the kosher way of installing new programs, i.e. from inside the package manager which talks to the trusted repositories, he will naturally regard standalone files as suspect, and most likely will not even encounter them.

      These are just off the top of my head. All four are atrocious decisions, given that catering to the lowest common denominator is in Microsoft's mission statement. All four became problems because MS chose to completely ignore the fact that every Windows computer is connected to the Internet. Why bother? The monopoly status works just fine.

  18. Old people! by autophile · · Score: 4, Informative

    An anonymous reader writes to point out the Washington News's analysis of this year's spike in telemarketers gulling lonely old people, such as lonely old men and lonely old women, out of their life's savings.

    "Experts worry that older people will be slow to switch to the [old folk's home]. And even if consumers rush to put in a home existing old people or purchase new ones that include no life's savings, younger folks will continue to battle security holes in legacy versions of the Old version of People, which are expected to remain in widespread use, and even grow, for the next 5-10 years."

    As long as there is prey, there will be predators. Stamping out the predators is a game of whack-a-mole, so the best solution is to try to educate the prey. And if you can't, well, what are you going to do? Legislate against it? Pfft!

    --Rob

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    1. Re:Old people! by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Gullible people - The amount of money skimmed by churches, especially this time of year, probably make any spam-scam operation pale into insignificance.

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    2. Re:Old people! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once you factor in taxes, starbucks and apple products, spam seems meaningless...

    3. Re:Old people! by Tom · · Score: 1

      so the best solution is to try to educate the prey They breed faster than you can educate them. Until "do not buy from spammers" becomes something every 4-year old is told together with "don't take candy from strangers", education is and will remain a total failure.

      I've been doing security for 10 years now. User education is a desaster, a failure and a total waste of time. I have yet to see a single security problem being solved by user education. In the corporate environment especially giving an order and threaten everyone with being fired if they don't obey works 10x as well as explaining why doing X is bad and should be avoided.
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  19. DONE! by sciop101 · · Score: 3, Informative
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  20. Detecting Click Fraud by broward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A series of entries on my discovery of click fraud, how I detected it.
    I'm planning to work it into a Defcon 15 submission.

    http://www.realmeme.com/roller/page/realmeme/Weblo g?catname=%2FClickFraud

    1. Re:Detecting Click Fraud by whoever57 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Your comments on click fraud are interesting. My own company's website saw hits that were very odd from google adwords clicks. I searched the weblogs looking for IP addresses that had a referrer that indicated an adwords click, but only downloaded one or two files. Given that the front page is composed of many files, it is not typicalof a readl browser to only download one or two files.

      Many of these referrers tracked back to websites that had no discernable connection to our products -- in fact some were merely link farms or "search engines" running at domains that the former owner had allowed to expire.

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  21. Detecting Click Fraud by broward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    A series of entries, logs & graphics about how I detected suspicious network traffic. I'm hoping to expand it into a Defcon 15 submission on click fraud.

    http://www.realmeme.com/click

  22. Re:One e-mail address to rule them all.. One e-mai by ScaryMonkey · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ahem. I believe the correct quote is... "Fool me once, shame on you... uh, fool me... you won't get fooled again." With apologies to George Bush ;)

  23. ISP's don't want to pay for this by G4from128k · · Score: 1

    I wish that ISPs would cleanup the bots, but they won't because it would be too expensive. How would an ISP neuter a zombie without disrupting the idiot customer's PC? And if they sever the net connection of bot-infested machines, then who pays for the customer service costs of telling customers that it's the customer's fault that their PC was knocked offline. I'm thinking that each cranky bot-infested customer will cost the ISP $10-$30 in customer service costs (= long calls to explain why they were knocked off the net, what they need to do about it, etc.) for each and every time the customer gets pwned (some customers will probably get infected several times a year or more. Not to mention, the first ISP that does this will get hammered by crime syndicates that don't want there botnets disrupted. Something tells me that the cost to an ISP for letting bots survive is much much lower than the cost of trying to kill them.

    It may feel good to blame the idiot that let their machines get infested, but that doesn't pay the salaries of the customer service munchkins (even at low India call center prices).

    --
    Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
    1. Re:ISP's don't want to pay for this by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Bucket filters - bandwidth limiting, will go a long way.

      --
      Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
    2. Re:ISP's don't want to pay for this by bmo · · Score: 1
      How would an ISP neuter a zombie without disrupting the idiot customer's PC?

      This way:

      From me:

      Bonjour. J'avais reçu beaucoup d'email de quelqu'un en France dont l'ordinateur semble être infecté. C'est toujours les mêmes adresses d'IP et le même ou semblable attachement. Puisque j'emploie Linux, je suis immunisé contre l'attachement, mais je pense qu'il est temps de dire à l'expéditeur que son ordinateur est infecté et devrait être nettoyé. L'en-tête d'email est inclus.

      J'espère que cette traduction par Babelfish était quelque peu précise.


      Yes, you read that right. Babelfish. I was hoping that I didn't insult anyone, like call the system operator's mother a fat cow.

      From orange.fr:

      Bonjour,

      Nous avons bien réceptionné votre mail relatif à la transmission de virus par un de nos abonnés.
      Nous vous remercions d'avoir porté ces faits à notre connaissance et vous informons que le nécessaire a été effectué auprès de l'utilisateur fautif : son accès a été résilié ce jour.

      Cordialement,
      Service Abuse Orange Internet


      Cool! I didn't call anyone a fat cow!

      It's nice to knock them off one by one, but it's not efficient. Hell, maybe the whole "cut them off" is just shovelling shit against the tide. The only way to guarantee the death of botnets is to require everyone to run secure systems, and this means cutting off Jane and Joe home user, who would probably not even begin to fathom what a secure computer is.

      Here's an idea.

      Let's go beyond GeekSquad and computer repair shops. Let's go beyond having jane and joe user administer their own PCs. Someone is the administrator of their local residential neighborhood, as a full time paid job, hired by his neighbors to be the neighborhood equivalent of the corporate IT guy.

      Too much?

      Probably.

      --
      BMO
  24. pau. What? by Cybert4 · · Score: 0

    ma sminu di'e

    What is your point? There is a technical tool to stop the crime and fraud. Unplug the net. Write in Lojban to close friends, or just yourself. Oh, you weren't expecting that answer, were you?

  25. What's Vista Got to Do With Anything? by ewhac · · Score: 1
    Why is Vista mentioned at all? Vista will do nothing to curb the distribution and installation of trojan horses, much less the distribution of spam.

    Honestly, if you eagerly waiting for Vista to accomplish anything for you other than make you $200 poorer, you're fooling yourself.

    Schwab

    1. Re:What's Vista Got to Do With Anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      200$? WTF? I didn't know that people still bought software lol.

  26. How limit outbound SMTP... by WoTG · · Score: 1

    The vast majority of people don't need to run an SMTP server at home. Just block troublesome IP addresses from sending to random IP addresses and let them use only the ISP's SMTP servers. The few folks who run a full mail server at home, like me, can find an alternate solution, like SMTP Smart Hosting - aka forwarding to the ISP's mail server.

    This wouldn't do anything to reduce DDOS's though.

  27. Solve it at a higher level. by khasim · · Score: 1

    One of the problems is that most home ISP's do not design their networks with security in mind.

    If I were doing it, I'd setup multiple networks. Different clients have different characteristics so why shouldn't they be on different networks that support those characteristics? And each with its own outbound email servers.

    a. The cheapest monthly rate would go to customers who would accept a block on all outbound port 25 traffic. They only route to your email server and that is monitored. Anyone suddenly sending more than X amount of mail (or X times as much mail than their average) is flagged.

    b. For $5 or so MORE a month, you can be on a network with metered outbound port 25 access. Metered by message count, not size. And monitor the email sent through your server the same as in "a".

    c. Finally, we have the "other" network. This is where machines get placed when the network monitoring indicates a problem with that machine. Remember the 80/20 or 90/10 rule. Most of your "problems" will be caused/reported by a small sub-set of your users. So you move them to their own network. And the email server monitoring the same as in "a".

    Example, you have three T-1's coming in. Each network gets its own T-1. The people on "a" see lots of bandwidth because none of them are spewing spam or worms or stuff.

    The people on "c" see lots of congestion, even though there are fewer of them and they have the same total bandwidth as "a".

    There, now anyone looking to block spam coming from your network should have an easy time. There will be no outbound connections from "a" except from your mail server and that is monitored. The worst that can happen from this would be the targeted phishing attempts. And that's not very likely because they tend towards the free accounts.

    Yet anyone can (and should) block crap from your "c" network except from your mail server (which should be subject to increased scrutiny via SpamAssassin and such).

  28. Random Thoughts by ewhac · · Score: 3, Insightful
    This has clearly become a real economic problem. I'm surprised our Feck^H^Harless Leader hasn't declared spam a form of economic terrorism, and acted correspondingly. Of course, the ideal solution is to start brutally killing spammers and putting their heads on pikes in the town square. But nobody seems to be willing to do that, so all we have to play with is the network.

    So, under the auspices of Economic Security, some random ideas to rebuild confidence in the email network:

    • Harden DNS
      The domain name is the primary reference point for a reputation base. If a domain can be spoofed, reputation fraud ("Identity theft") becomes more likely. So, harden DNS with some ubiquitous public key crypto. If you want a domain, you must provide a public key; the key authenticates you to modify the entry. If you lose the key, tough cookies; you'll have to wait for the registration to expire before you can regain control of it.
    • Make SMTP AUTH Mandatory, Preferably Over SSL
      All clients presenting mail for delivery must present credentials. No credentials, no delivery. In an ideal universe, the client's credentials (public key?) would be presented as part of the SSL connection, so the SMTP server wouldn't have to do anything special.
    • SMTP Servers Refuse Connections From IPs with No MX Record
      If you're not on the local subnet, and your IP is not registered as a Mail Exchange, then no relaying for you without prior arrangement. Assuming a hardened DNS, we can reasonably rely on the authenticity of the MX record.
    • Throttle Excessive Port 25 Activity
      Blanket blocking of connections on port 25 is excessive -- some people have a legitimate need to drop mail on smarthosts outside the local subnet. However, if the routers observe an internal IP address spraying port 25 connections to, say, a dozen different IPs over the course of a minute, then that's probably something the network admins would want to look at more closely. This would do nothing to thwart a parallel "shadow" network of compromised hosts acting as spam relays for the subnets on which they're located. But for a while you'd get a pretty good map of machines to clean up.

    Schwab

    1. Re:Random Thoughts by Clover_Kicker · · Score: 1

      http://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt

      Your post advocates a

      (*) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante

      approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)

      ( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
      ( ) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
      ( ) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
      ( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
      ( ) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
      ( ) Users of email will not put up with it
      ( ) Microsoft will not put up with it
      ( ) The police will not put up with it
      ( ) Requires too much cooperation from spammers
      (*) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
      (*) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
      ( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
      ( ) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business

      Specifically, your plan fails to account for

      ( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
      (*) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email
      ( ) Open relays in foreign countries
      ( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
      ( ) Asshats
      ( ) Jurisdictional problems
      ( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
      ( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
      (*) Huge existing software investment in SMTP
      ( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
      ( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
      ( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
      ( ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
      ( ) Extreme profitability of spam
      ( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
      ( ) Technically illiterate politicians
      ( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
      ( ) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
      ( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
      ( ) Outlook

      and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

      (*) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
      been shown practical
      ( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
      ( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
      ( ) Blacklists suck
      ( ) Whitelists suck
      ( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
      ( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
      ( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
      ( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
      ( ) Sending email should be free
      ( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
      ( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
      ( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
      ( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
      ( ) I don't want the government reading my email
      ( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

      Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

      ( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
      ( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
      ( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
      house down!

    2. Re:Random Thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aside from the excellent points raised by the other poster, and how 2 and 3 would break the internet, it should also be noted that schemes requiring credentials are inherently flawed when dealing with botnets.

      Let's assume that my machine has an email client. I send email and provide the credentials. If I have a bot on my machine, all of that can be intercepted (or asked for -- many users will type any information into their computers if it comes up in a dialog box), and then the bot can send a hundred thousand emails with the same information. So long as we allow anyone to send emails to anyone with any content (and this is a good thing), we can't stop bots on their machines from sending spam, either by pretending to be mail servers or scripting mail clients.

    3. Re:Random Thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Blanket blocking of connections on port 25 is excessive -- some people have a legitimate need to drop mail on smarthosts outside the local subnet.

      As one of those people, I'm happy using the designated port - 587. See RFC 2476. There's no problem with a blanket block of connections to port 25.

  29. For chrissakes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm really fucking tired of seeing this garbage on Slashdot every time MS release a new OS.

    It doesn't matter how crappy Vista is, it will still become the new "standard"!

    Just as all the previous MS OSs did (excepy WinME), so ditch the whole "Nobody will use Vista!" wishful-thinking shit already!

    1. Re:For chrissakes! by testadicazzo · · Score: 1

      change that to "It doesn't matter how crappy Vista is, it will almost certainly become the new "standard", and you're correct. Speaking in absolutes is pretty foolish. As niels bohr said "prediction is difficult, especially of the future".

  30. Not exactly. by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The vast majority of people who use computers have little idea how they work, or the difference between viruses and spyware and adware.

    Yes, I can agree with that.

    And it is not going to change. Which is why it is necessary for the OS vendors to ship their product so that the default configuration is as locked down as possible. In my opinion, Ubuntu achieves this in an admirable fashion.

    Linux may be extremely secure, but the reason it is hardly used as a desktop OS is because the vast majority of people don't know how to easily do what they need to do using it.

    Actually, that would be because of Microsoft's monopoly on the desktop. Breaking free of the monopoly takes a LOT of effort.

    To meet all users desires, you'll always have to sacrifice some security for ease-of-use. IMHO, Microsoft has done quite a decent job of making this balance in Windows.

    Nope. Look at a Mac. Talk to Mac users. They don't need to become experts on their systems to use them more securely than Windows. This is because Apple has implemented a more effective security model than Microsoft.

    The fact is that you'll always have a lot people who use the easiest thing available, even if it is insecure.

    But it is Microsoft that is using the monopoly to restrict access to more secure systems. Don't blame the users if the monopoly is actively trying to limit the options.

    You'll always have the people who turn off the firewall because it makes their IM program not work, you'll always have the people who ignore the 'This file may harm your computer!' dialog. As a result, malware, worms, etc. will always be a problem.

    Why do you have to turn off the firewall so you can run your IM program? Would you accept a car that you had to disable the air bag in order to play a CD? Ubuntu is effectively immune to worms because it, by default, does not have any open ports.

    Microsoft is skipping the FIRST rule of security: do not run anything that is not absolutely necessary.

    The reason that so many Windows machines are infected is NOT because they're running some IM client without a firewall. It's because the default configuration was insecure. Too many services that were not needed were running and vulnerable.

    If 100% of the Windows boxes start vulnerable - you need a LOT of extra work to secure them.

    If 100% of the boxes start without open ports - you'll need a LOT of extra work just to make them vulnerable.

    In the end, it all comes down to how much effort is needed. Start secure and you'll always win that scenario.
    1. Re:Not exactly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my opinion, Ubuntu achieves this in an admirable fashion. Yep. Ubuntu ships without a firewall. Ubuntu autostarts services if you install them (a service should default to disabled until the user configures it an manually enables it). Ubuntu doesn't do a security framework (Fedora/RHEL does SELinux, SUSE does AppArmour, Adamantix does RSBAC+PaX, Mandriva has a Gresecurity-enabled kernel available (at least the last time I used it)).

      Great security there.
  31. Re:One e-mail address to rule them all.. One e-mai by mcrbids · · Score: 1

    Seriously. I have like 5 email accounts, and I doubt that's a lot compared to some people who use e-mail more than me.
    That's about how many I actively use, what with my various domain names, servers, and all.

    Three of which I will drop at a moments notice. The other two I consider untouchable. They are whitelisted. You want to get to my good ones? You gotta go through the other three. Then, and only then, will you get to my inner e-mail sanctum.
    Sounds like you're putting out a lot of effort out for ... wait for it ... E-Mail! (Do you have 5 phone numbers, three for telemarketers and two for "special"?)

    So bots and spam and worms and identity phishers don't get to me.
    Putting out that kind of effort, looks like they already have!

    Part of the reason is that I simply don't pay attention to e-mails from unsolicited sources.
    You mean, the three "throwaway" accounts that you maintain, or the two "untouchable" ones?

    That's half the reason cyber crime works at all: people are idiots when it comes to computers. Odds are you know someone who sees a pop-up disguised to look like an authentic Windows message box and clicks on the buttons thinking they are actually talking to Windows and not some porn-site-based phisher and thief.
    Finally getting somewhere - why do we have a system so insecure that clicking on a mis-labelled button compromises it?

    Odds are you know someone who thinks those e-mails are from someone with an actual product instead of a phishing scam, like a second chance offer from www.ebay.cra.cz or something similar.
    Have you seen these? They are quite good. I've almost been fooled once or twice.

    These criminals are simply separating stupid people and their money. I know, I know, it's a harsh perspective.
    If you think it's "stupid" people that get their money separated, it's you that are myopic in perspective. Everybody has their area of competence - don't think that just because theirs and yours don't align, that it's a problem on *THEIR* fault. Are you a competent attorney? Tax accountant? Automotive Mechanic? Manufacturing supervisor? Medical doctor?

    What would you think if professionals in these various areas figured you were a moron because you did a stupid in their field of expertise?

    You know somebody who got nailed so you want to mod me down because I called your friend stupid. Well, hopefully they learned. The saying goes, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. It's true.
    The stupid isn't the guy who got suckered - the stupid is the guys that were supposed to provide a solid system (EG: Microsoft) who failed utterly at their task.

    Ask yourself - what if a doctor gave you a lightweight antibiotic to treat pneumonia? Well, it happened to my wife - and I don't blame my wife for not knowing the different kinds of antibiotics. Computer technology is, for most users, not much different. And the computer industry as a whole is generally lacking in professional competetence in providing reasonable security measures, and the leader of the pack is Microsoft.

    I don't think you realize how protected YOU are from fraud and the like by an active legal system and rather strict laws (that vary from state to state) on the subject of "merchantability". When a store takes back something you purchased in the last 30 days, it's partly because IT IS ILLEGAL TO SELL SOMETHING as "new" and refuse to take it back if the customer isn't happy within 30 days of the sale. (In California)
    --
    I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
  32. Use a different port. by khasim · · Score: 1

    I just set the remote users to use 587 or 465 (depending upon whether you're a Microsoft shop or not) instead of 25.

    The only real limitation here is what the client software will accept as a configuration option. Various versions of Outlook (including many of the PDA's and phones) will only allow you to set "must use SSL" which gives you port 587. If you limit those connections to ones that require a username/password, that solves that problem.

    So far I haven't found a single ISP that blocks either 465 or 587.

  33. Future of e-mail? by rueger · · Score: 1

    There really is a need for ideas for the next generation of e-mail.

    If reports are to believed we're closing in on a point when nearly 100 percent of messages will be spam. The spam blockers that were effective a year ago are becoming increasingly leaky.

    Whitelists may work for some people, but not for anyone running a business. Proposals that require tens of thousands of ISPs to significantly change how they handle mail probably aren't going to fly unless legislated. And legislation will only work within the boundaries of one country.

    Besides, ultimately it is only the recipient of an e-mail message that can judge it's legitimacy or usefulness.

    So how do you create a an e-mail replacement that's as easy as what exists now, immune to spam, and is an easy upgrade from what we have now?

    1. Re:Future of e-mail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Whitelists may work for some people, but not for anyone running a business.

      Strange, I'm running a business with partial whitelists and it works very reliable. The basic setup is as following: For initial contacts the customers use the email address listed on the website and the SMTP-server applies all the usual anti-spam measures to this address. If it is indeed a potential customer and not a spamer they get a new email address for all future communications. The server rejects all messages for that address that aren't whitelisted or that violate SPF or domain keys. If the customers use their own domain I usually whitelist their complete domain instead of single addresses.

  34. What kind of expert ... by twitter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... thinks Vista will change anything? The exploits are already being marketed and published. It reminds me of the "use XP SP2" chorus, when the only thing that did was break existing applications and push more obnoxious EULAs and DRM. We will soon see the Vista added to the list of threats which currently list XP, 2000, XP, 98 etc back to the earliest version the watchers care to add. The reason those threats typically break every previous version of Windoze is because M$ rarely rewrites anything and the same old binaries are passed on from version to version. Vista was made the same way the other versions were and the same old process is going to yield the same old results. Vista is the same old same old.

    --

    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

    1. Re:What kind of expert ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      twitter, please read this carefully. Following this advice will make Slashdot a better place for everyone, including yourself.

      • As a representative of the Linux community, participate in mailing list and newsgroup discussions in a professional manner. Refrain from name-calling and use of vulgar language. Consider yourself a member of a virtual corporation with Mr. Torvalds as your Chief Executive Officer. Your words will either enhance or degrade the image the reader has of the Linux community.
      • Avoid hyperbole and unsubstantiated claims at all costs. It's unprofessional and will result in unproductive discussions.
      • A thoughtful, well-reasoned response to a posting will not only provide insight for your readers, but will also increase their respect for your knowledge and abilities.
      • Always remember that if you insult or are disrespectful to someone, their negative experience may be shared with many others. If you do offend someone, please try to make amends.
      • Focus on what Linux has to offer. There is no need to bash the competition. Linux is a good, solid product that stands on its own.
      • Respect the use of other operating systems. While Linux is a wonderful platform, it does not meet everyone's needs.
      • Refer to another product by its proper name. There's nothing to be gained by attempting to ridicule a company or its products by using "creative spelling". If we expect respect for Linux, we must respect other products.
      • Give credit where credit is due. Linux is just the kernel. Without the efforts of people involved with the GNU project , MIT, Berkeley and others too numerous to mention, the Linux kernel would not be very useful to most people.
      • Don't insist that Linux is the only answer for a particular application. Just as the Linux community cherishes the freedom that Linux provides them, Linux only solutions would deprive others of their freedom.
      • There will be cases where Linux is not the answer. Be the first to recognize this and offer another solution.

      From http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/docs/HOWTO/Advoca cy

  35. Spike? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So spam will diminish in 2007? Happy to hear that.

  36. Exiting machines? by cralewyth · · Score: 1
    And even if consumers rush to upgrade exiting machines or purchase new ones that include Vista, Microsoft will continue to battle security holes in legacy versions of Microsoft Office, which are expected to remain in widespread use for the next 5-10 years."


    So, let me get this straight, even if customers rush to upgrade exiting machines.... wait, brainfry.

    Let me try that again.... Exiting machines...

    Nope, there goes my brain.
    --
    "Women are just like ninjas; They lie even when it is more convenient to tell the truth." ~ Unknown
  37. Re:One e-mail address to rule them all.. One e-mai by bky1701 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Are you a competent attorney? Tax accountant? Automotive Mechanic? Manufacturing supervisor? Medical doctor?

    What would you think if professionals in these various areas figured you were a moron because you did a stupid in their field of expertise?"

    These are not cases of being a moron because you don't know how to do something, it's because you ignore that you are not smart enough to do them. A lot of people get their cars fixed for them, hire lawyers, have people do their taxes, etc... How many people forward their emails to people to make sure they are legit? None. People who don't know how to drive but drive anyway and crash the car have only themselves to blame, this case is the same.

    Emails are too easy to get, if it was harder; cases of this would drop by a LOT, because people who didn't know how to use emails wouldn't be using them. Not like that's going to happen, or if it would even be a good thing, but it does say people should avoid messing with things they can't comprehend.

  38. Vista to fix everything? by jdcope · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If MS is supposed to "fix everything" with Vista, then why are they pushing Live One Care so hard?


    And if they can fix security problems with One Care, why couldnt they fix them in the OS in the first place?


    So first, we pay MS for the OS... then we have to pay them again to make it secure? Sounds like a scene from The Godfather.

  39. Anti-botnet botnet? by bucky0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now, I know someone already tried to write an anti-botnet botnet for code red, but couldn't someone start hijacking computers that would monitor honeypot spam addresses for spam, then by reading the headers, see what exploited machines were spewing spam, then hack into them, patching the security holes and shutting off the spam trojans?

    Of course, with as much money as there is in hacking type stuff, I'd be afraid of the enemies I'd be making.

    --

    -Bucky
  40. Re:One e-mail address to rule them all.. One e-mai by INT_QRK · · Score: 1

    ...ah so desu...he bigger problem than the software may be the wetware. "Social engineering" is still the most reliable attack vector.

  41. Vista? Yeah, right... by Tom · · Score: 1

    Experts worry that businesses will be slow to switch to the [Windows Vista] Oh yeah, the "most secure windos ever". That's like saying you've just created the least leaky sieve ever. Come on, the consumer version isn't even out yet and there are already exploits. Within a year, Vista will be full of holes just like XP is today. Doesn't anyone remember that they made the identical claims regarding security when XP replaced 98/ME ?

    Shut down bots. Only option to get rid of the networks. Make people care. Pass a law that forces ISPs to shut down known bot-infected customers until they've cleaned up, on penalty of severe fines. I work for an ISP. We can do it, but won't for fear of customers becoming angry and moving elsewhere. That's why it has to be a law so there is no elsewhere to go and the rules are the same for every ISP.
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    Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
  42. Vista Upgrade Cost Prohibative by leon.gandalf · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Considering the cost of Windows Upgrades in General I realy cannot see Vista taking over on a consumer level any way other than new machine purchases.

  43. Re:One e-mail address to rule them all.. One e-mai by uNople · · Score: 1
    ...With apologies to George Bush...

    What are you apologising for? We all know that George Bush can't read ;-)
  44. Re:One e-mail address to rule them all.. One e-mai by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 1

    Good point. But I think you can at least consider e-mail a social avenue. With that said, social engineering over e-mail is quite common. And learning how to adequately filter and deal with the harmful messages becomes the same as being able to deal with somebody who calls 'from the IT dept.' because they need to fix your account at work but they don't have your password. Neh?

    TLF

    --
    I do not respond to cowards. Especially anonymous ones.
  45. I Can't Believe It by His+Shadow · · Score: 1

    They actually mention that the botnets and security flaws they are talking about are Microsoft problems, and not some flaw with the Internet or "PCs" in general. Seriously, every last single dire article about the state of internet security that appears in the Edmonton Journal (for eg) steadfastly refuses to lay the sorry state of home users security at the feet of the company almost entirely to blame. It's amazing how general they keep the articles in order not to admit the obvious.

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    Fiat Homos et Pereat Theos

  46. spamming techniques by wendyg · · Score: 1

    Along these lines, last Wednesday the INquirer ran a piece of mine, an interview with Scott Chasin, CTO of MX Logic, talking about the techniques in use by the spammers (branching out into p2p architecture). Chasin, too, believes things will get worse. And, from the sounds of it, the measures taken by service providers and others will continue to make the Net a far more restrictive place than it was originally designed to be.

    wg

  47. Re:One e-mail address to rule them all.. One e-mai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No offense mate, but the argument you state is a specious one at best;

    >"Are you a competent attorney? Tax accountant? Automotive Mechanic? Manufacturing supervisor? Medical doctor? What would you think if professionals in these various areas figured you were a moron because you did a stupid in their field of expertise?"

    I'ld think they were right.
    -Not reviewing a contract your signing is dumb (but common)
    -Not keeping your receipts and 1040's and tax returns in order is dumb (but common)
    -Not changing your oil on time and burning out your engine is dumb (but common)
    -Not wearing your safety gear on the job is dumb (but common)
    -Not going to see your doctor when something abnormal happens is dumb (but common)

    Its called personal responsibility mate, and alot of people don't have it, and cry woe is me when they get nailed. I wish they *could* learn from their (or better yet other peoples) mistakes, but, sadly
    they are dumb.

  48. I wish I could use Linux... by hadaso · · Score: 1

    > ... the only program I ever had to install by hand was ies4lin.

    Wow!, now how did you know you need to run "dfs3dse". Oops, sorry, it was "ies4lin". How did you know this?

    I really wish I could use Linux. Well, I managed to use it a little bit, but not in a very useful way. After Mandrake 9 failed to install completely leaving me with the task of providing a graphics driver for my very common ATI card from 1998 that it could not provide, and leaving me with a text only interface but with no instructions on how to proceed from there (and no instructions on how to just make it use a standard vga driver like win98 did on the same PC until the manufacturer's driver was installed from CD), I tried Knoppix 3.7 which worked slowly but provided some functionality. Then Knoppix 3.9 failed to work on the same PC. Then I tried Ubuntu that came nicely and showed a blank screen that reminded me of why I stopped using university UNIX in the late 20th century and intead brought my own private laptop with win98. It was because of the way UNIX provides info to users: everything is documented. In the most sensible way. Alphabetically. I can find anything I want. Like I could just type "man ies4lin" and I would get all the info on it. EVERYTHING! Every little options, all conveniently listed alphabetically. I just have to scroll down to the option I want to know about. Now how do I know what I want to know about? Well, I thought I could just install some standard distribution, start using it and learn along the way, but I tried several times and it didn't work out :-(
    Not that I know nothing about computers. I can read email headers and I can read RFCs. I can write html and css and a little javascript. I know enough to use WinXP under a non-admin account and behind a hardware linux based firewall (that a student of mine installed for me). I did a lot of fortran programming in the past, and used Unix for many years (but someone else maintained it). I still wasn't able to install a single distro in spite of trying several times, and I don't believe someone without any computer experience can. And even when I could run a live CD distribution getting help on trivial things like keyboard shortcuts was very difficult. Usually you need to know the name of an app that does something to find out how to do it.

    I still want to use Linux. I just don't seem to be able to get to the starting point where I can start learning while doing some real work.

    1. Re:I wish I could use Linux... by melikamp · · Score: 1

      You might want to get an old desktop box. Old but not too old: 3 years would do nicely. Avoid flashy components. Avoid wireless for now (some research might be required to make it work), get Intel accelerated on-board graphics. You can get that virtually for free these days. Put it in the corner of your flat (or, as we say on Slashdot, your parents' basement) and install the easy-going Ubuntu.

      I am not saying that GNU/Linux won't work with wireless, by the way. Almost any card is supported through the ndiswrapper module, but I advise you not to bother with it until you get acquainted with the system and like it enough to start learning about it.

    2. Re:I wish I could use Linux... by hadaso · · Score: 1

      The box you describe is my "new" desktop (actually it's almost 4 years old now). The box I was trying to put Linux on is an 8 years old 500 MHz Pentium 3 with quite standard ASUS motherboard, ATI graphics card and SB soundcard, with 128MB RAM which is quite a lot compared to what used to be on PCs back when it was new, and I think the main reason that Knoppix 3.7 that happens to work on it is painfully slow is that Knoppix "steals" much of the RAM for the RAMdisk it "installs" itself on and not enough is left for applications. So it should be able to cope with a reasonable Linux installation, only I was unlucky until now and haven't succeeded in installing one (a similar machine my parents had handled WinXP quite well for a few years).

    3. Re:I wish I could use Linux... by melikamp · · Score: 1

      Well, dude, it will sound too obvious, but you cannot "give GNU/Linux a try" unless you get it running. It sounds like you are running a bad streak, but do not let that discourage you. Because of little to no hardware testing by the industry, installing Linux can range from a walk in a park to pulling live teeth. You just have to give it another try with different hardware. Just a few days ago I ran into an old IBM box which caused the latest Ubuntu (live) CD to crash with the kernel panic before I could go any further. Guess what? I am looking for a different box.

  49. Educating people would not hekp! by hadaso · · Score: 1

    No ammount of eduacation to users will stop spammers.

    You may think that spammers send you their spam because they are trying to sell you something, and that you outsmart them by filtering their spam out, or by recognizing it and refusing on principle to buy from them (if perhaps they are selling something you wanted).

    Spammers are not sending their spam to you. They are sending to someone else who will never learn and will buy whatever they are selling. The fact that you are getting spam is a side-effect. If they could avoid sending it to you at a reasonable cost to them they would not send it because they never meant to send you email. However, since they happen not to know the eamil address of their customer (that someone else that is not you that is the intended spam recipient) it is more cost effective for them to issue instructions that deposit a copy of their message in every existing mailbox, and since they don't know what mailboxes exist, it is easier for them to issue routing instructions that route their message to every known string that contain an "@" sign. Some of those strings are working routing instructions, and some of those routing instructions are instructions that deposit email messages in mailboxes, and a few of those mailboxes happen to be the mailboxes of their customers, that could have been located by the old fashion way of market reasearch, but the old fashioned way was replaced by the modern more cost effective way of stealing computer and network resources and using them to issue routing instructions to every string that contains an "@" sign.

    Now there's a faults in this new method: there are lots of side effects (like you getting a copy of this message. Like bounces prodiced from routing instructions that failed to work etc.) Spammers cannot deal with the consequences of all these faults. Their resources can deal with the few customers they really did try to contact. Luckily for them they don't have to deal with the consequences, because you actually don't respond to their messages in the same way that a real customer would, and as their real customers are distinguishable from side effects they only have to locate the resources to serve their intended customers.

    No matter how much people will be educated about not dealing with spammers, spam would remain effective, perhaps even more effective. There will always remain a small percentage that would still make money for the spammers, and these are the real recipients of spam. The mistake in believing that educating people would starve spammers is in actually believing that the millions of spam recipients play any role in the spammers' business model. They don't! They are side effects, and they are actually helping spammers by spending lots of money to filter spam so it only goes to the spammers intended audience. If you want to really hurt the spammer's business model, you have to stop being a side effect, and join the spammer's audience. You have to respond to spam in a way that indistiguishable from real responses from interested customers. You have to make them have to serve you the same way they do serve those real customers of them but withoutproviding them with any real valuse. That would increase their costs top the point where thei business fails. You have to fill their contact forms with info that is indistinguishable from real interested customers' info (until manual contact is made and fails). You have to fill their purchase forms with info that is indistiguiahble from real purchase info (until the point when the credit card company says the cc number doesn't match the billing address/name). The only way to hurt spam is to cause spammers to have real extra costs. And the only way this can work is by real people who aer not their intended audiences posing as real customers and require service but creating no revenue.

    That of course doesn't deal with all kinds of spam. That kind of image spam that recommends petty stocks has no contact info. And some people that "fall for it" actually make a profit (

  50. Good article on the subject by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stas Bekman wrote a good article on the subject - http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2006/10/12/asyn chronous_events.html

  51. Easy to stop spam.... by avanaardt · · Score: 1

    ... just charge 0.5 cents for sending an email. Once Joe Sixpack gets a bill for $5000 for emails sent by his Windows bot, a.k.a. PC, he will start to take security seriously. His first question is going to be" What can I do to stop this?", and then maybe he'll listen to the advice we've been trying for years to get through to him. Secondly, even if spammers send out emails from their own accounts, charging for it would quickly raise the bar to the point that it's no longer profitable.