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Re:Regarding IslamWay
Starting around WWII (I believe), Zionism, or the desire for a Jewish homeland started to grow.
Not to pick nits, but the Zionist movement actually started much earlier, in the late 1890s in western Russia, basically as a response to jewish persecution. The movement expanded as the problem became more widespread, reaching a fever pitch in the 1930s. Here's more information on the "What is Zionism" page at JSource. Yes, it's a pro-zionist page, but sometimes going to the source is the best way to define a movement. -
History 101in 1982 up to 4000 civilian refugees were massacred by lebanese militia at the sabra and chatila refugee camps in lebanon. they died just as horrible deaths as the people at wtc, pentagon, etc. basically, the israeli army sealed off the camps and then let the militia in to kill everybody.
for an account of the massacre in the independent nespaper (u.k.), see: http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=5487
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according to an israeli government commission of inquiry (the kahan commission):
The Commission determined that the massacre at Sabra and Shatilla was carried out by a Phalangist unit, acting on its own but its entry was known to Israel
... the Commission asserted that ... Mr. Sharon was found responsible for ignoring the danger of bloodshed and revenge when he approved the entry of the Phalangists into the camps as well as not taking appropriate measures to prevent bloodshed.
the report is archived at the jewish virtual library at us-israel.org http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/kahan.ht
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pretty much on the anniversary of the massacre, sharon, protected by by israeli soldiers, visited a shrine in jerusalem contested by arabs and jews.
now sharon is prime minister of israel.
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Re:Middle East Wire -- InterestingYou seem to ignore that Israel is territory forcefully taken from the Palestinians. If I gave someone else your home, would you be happy living in a closet in the basement?
Remember, Palestine was a British colony, with both Jews and Arabs living there. The following was taken from the American Israeli Cooperative Enterprise Page on Myths and Facts of the Partition.
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"Israel usurped all of Palestine in 1948."FACT
Nearly 80 percent of what was the historic land of Palestine and the Jewish National Home, as defined by the League of Nations, was severed by the British in 1922 and allocated to what became Transjordan. Jewish settlement there was barred. The UN partitioned the remaining 20 percent of Palestine into two states. With Jordan's annexation of the West Bank in 1950, Arabs controlled approximately 80 percent of the territory of the Mandate, while the Jewish State held a bare 17.5 percent (Gaza, occupied by Egypt, was the remainder).MYTH
"The Palestinian Arabs were never offered a state and therefore have been denied the right to self-determination."FACT
The Peel Commission in 1937 concluded the only logical solution to resolving the contradictory aspirations of the Jews and Arabs was to partition Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states. The Arabs rejected the plan because it forced them to accept the creation of a Jewish state, and required some Palestinians to live under "Jewish domination." The Zionists opposed the Peel Plan's boundaries because they would have been confined to little more than a ghetto of 1,900 out of the 10,310 square miles remaining in Palestine. Nevertheless, the Zionists decided to negotiate with the British, while the Arabs refused to consider any compromises. Again, in 1939, the British White Paper called for the establishment of an Arab state in Palestine within 10 years, and for limiting Jewish immigration to no more than 75,000 over the following five years. Afterward, no one would be allowed in without the consent of the Arab population. Though the Arabs had been granted a concession on Jewish immigration, and been offered independence - the goal of Arab nationalists - they repudiated the White Paper. With partition, the Palestinians were given a state and the opportunity for self-determination. This too was rejected. -
Re:FIRST NAZIHenry Ford was a notorious anti-semite before WWII.
See this page for more information about Ford's hatred for jews.
Although Ford recanted his anti-semitism after the second world war (and the unique horrors of the Holocaust became apparent) his legacy is still tainted because his virulent anti-semitic work "The International Jew" continues to be distributed on the web by anti-semitic haters.
Americans like to see themselves as the soldiers who stormed the beaches in Normandy as a pre-cursor to the liberation of European jewry, but there is a much uglier side of American contribution to the Holocaust. Many U.S. industrial companies like Ford, GM and IBM played a two-faced role, on the one side cooperating with the allies, but on the other side they supported the Nazi's through their trade.
It is about time the Americans people came to admit that their role wasn't as only a glorious one as portrayed in movies like Saving Private Ryan but also one of war-time collaboration and profiteering. The same is true for most other countries. Jews were unwanted in all European nations, in Britain and in the USA. They were turned away back to a certain death.
Ironically the country with the best war-time record regarding the jews is the country that was most vilified by the Americans after WWII. The Russians did the bulk of the liberation of European jewry and they lost far more soldiers than Great Britain and the USA combined (well over 20 million). This fact is remembered by the U.S. Holocaust Museum, which proudly flies the flags of the Red Army brigades who liberated the camps. Something to remember.
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Re:The Slippery Slope of TotalitarianismActually, it's worse that that; the Germans _asked_ for Hitler to take over.
True. We don't ask for it. We beg for it. Every time we vote for the Republicans or Democrats only because we're afraid of "wasting" our vote,we beg for it. Every time we fail to go to the polls and vote at all, we get on our hands and knees and grovel for it.
Furthermore, everytime someone is wronged, and we do nothing because it doesn't affect us, we bend over and let them use our backs for a stepstool.
In Germany they first came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up becaues I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up becaue I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.
-- Pastor Martin Niemoller
If you wish to know a bit more about Martin Niemoller, here's a nice page at http://www.us.israel.org/jsource/biography/niemoel ler.html -
Re:Military Support of the NSA
You were cruising around in a war zone, and you got shot at? Heavens, who would have thought it? Friendly fire -- it happens. Perhaps you think the Brits killed by the USAF during the Iraq affair should "not forget, and not forgive"? Sounds like a nice recipe for international chaos. What do you think the USA should do about this? Bomb Tel Aviv?
/. readers should note that the link fair-mindedly included on the ussliberty.org page comprehensively demolishes any case for a deliberate Israeli attack -- here.