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Precisely how they did it is yet to be revealed by a truly independent investigation with full subpoena power. This timeline leaves no doubt that the official story is a crock of lies, and indicates a number of people who should be taken in for questioning. For a longer exposition including proof of controlled demolitions, details of disinformation tactics, and information on moving companies, a "factoring company" that specializes in "unconventional transactions worldwide" and deals with the Pentagon, the CIA and the FBI, and possible links to organized crime, see here.

Pre-9/11 Timeline

1946: July 22. Menachem Begin's Irgun Jewish terrorists dress as Arabs and bomb the King David Hotel, killing 92 people. The Irgun also plot to assassinate British foreign secretary Ernest Bevin; fortunately, this conspiracy is foiled by MI6.

1948: May 14. David Ben-Gurion declares the independence of the new Zionist State of Israel, born from deception and from the blood of victims of Jewish terrorism hours before the British Mandate is due to expire. It takes effect at midnight, Tel Aviv time. May 15. Eleven minutes after midnight, U.S. President Harry Truman officially recognises the proclaimed Jewish state in Palestine.

1954: July. An Israeli spy ring is arrested in Egypt. These Israeli secret service agents have been assigned to attack U.S. and British interests in Egypt. "Operation Susannah" is a typical example of false-flag terrorism in which the perpetrators pin the blame on another party - in this case, Egypt and "the Arabs" - for political gain. The operation is unsuccessful, the Israeli defense minister Pinhas Lavon is forced to resign as a result of the scandal, and the incident becomes known as the Lavon Affair.

1967: June 8. Israel carries out a sustained air and naval attack on the USS Liberty for over an hour, employing torpedoes, machine guns and napalm rockets, even to the extent of machine-gunning lifeboats launched to save the most seriously wounded. 34 men are killed and more than 170 wounded.

1983: Christopher Bollyn marries

Or the terrorist militaries who target the ships of their allies in international waters. http://www.ussliberty.org/

The choctaw.

I'm not sure how much or from what tribe but my parents have told me I'm part Indian. An uncle on my moms side says the same thing but he told me to get the info from her. Appearly she won't talk about it because it a "dirty secret". As she has a French Canadian background I believe it's Ottawa or one of the Iroquois Confederacy tribes. My dad also has a French Canadian, er Acadian, background I don't be supprized if there was Indian in his background as well.

And a small group of people but still numbering in the millions wants to kill us- mainly because we make them feel bad because they are so backwards but partially because they are educated from birth that we are "monkeys" and not human. At 4 years old they are pledging to commit suicide killing us. At 5 years old almost a decade ago, they were cheering in the streets when we died.

Who are these people? Do you mean Arabs and other Muslims? Thinking of bin Laden? You may not recall or know this but bin Laden only started his war on America because the US stationed troops in the Holyland, Saudi Arabia. After Saddam invaded Kuwait there was a concern he may invade Saudi Arabia as well. bin Laden told the Saudis his al Quada would defend SA if Saddam attacked, but they declined his offer and asked for the US's assistance. It was only after this when the attacks came, he wanted the infidels out. Prior to the Kuwaiti invasion the US had indirectly supported bin Laden. We supported the mujahideen in Afghanistan, of which bin Laden was a member, in their fight against the Soviet Union.

As far as the US making people mad, it's only right that many do hate the US or at least the policies of the US. The US has a bloody past, it has assasinated or supported those responsible for killings of leaders in other countries. The US helped in establishing the Shah of Iran in power as well as Saddam later. It supported Gen Pinochet's overthrow of a democratically elected government in Chile after which thousands were killed and tens of thousands simply "diappeared". In other parts of the Americas it supported regimes in Guatemala and Honduras while many Mayas were massacred, and the Contras while they were terrorizing many in El Salvador. In the Middle East the US continues to support Israel, even after Israel attacked the USS Liberty. On the other side of the world the US supported Indonesian President Suharto's invasion of East Timor, this dispite a congressional bar for such aid. Pres Ford and Henry Kissingergave Suharto the greenlight for the invasion. After the invasion about 200,000 East Timorese were killed, that's one third the populationof East Timor.

Fact is is there are plenty of people who quite rightly have the right to feel hatred for the US.

Again- the problem is that in an age where even a 16 year old can kill 10 to 20 people, you really don't want people sworn to killing you so they will go to heaven wandering around unsupervised.

I'd have to say I'm the opposite of you, I'd rather keep my liberty and take to chance of being a victim than give up any liberty for a little temperary security. As Benjamin Franklin said, paraphrasing, "Anyone who gives up liberty for a little safety will get nor deserve either." Besides it's government that is the biggest threat to both liberty and safety. Look throughout history and you'll see the biggest massacres were done by governments or those trying to seize control. Most recently it's been Hitler, Pol Pot, the Rwandan government, Soharto, and Stalin. Saddam, who the US supported might be added as well, as well as Chiang Kai-shek led KMT's invasion of Formosa, otherwise called Tiawan. 28 February 1947 was Formosa's Holocaust. Some have also said Mao was responsible for 50,000,000 dead.

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Why aren't the racist apartheid zionists subjected to the same standard? When have they "opened up for inspection"? When did they sign the nuclear non proliferation treaty? How many generations can they get away with keeping people locked up into little bantustans with very little water, no way to work, and subject to daily attacks?

BTW, they just rocketed a few Reuters camerman and some civilians. Nothing special, they kill innocent people daily-and have a widespread and verifiable past track record of engaging in "false flag" operations, committing terrorist attacks and making it look like someone else did it. There have been many, here are two of them

remember the Liberty

remember 9-11 and the dancing "movers"

http://www.ussliberty.org/

Israel stabs you in the back and then expects you to participate in the cover-up.

http://www.ussliberty.org/

Not only can they fend off multiple nations, they can also sneak attack and murder non-participating countries at the same time.

I truly feel sorry for the numb Americans sitting on their getting-fatter-as-I-type asses while Zionists are raping their country, making them fight wars on their behalf , bombing their ship in false flag operation, yeah keep eating those super sized big macs, keep getting dumber and dumber while the Zionists fuck up your country and pony ride it to their goals... supporting Israel is now an official American value...
And finally this article the last straw, maybe it has some truth in it maybe Americans are really stupid ?

I think it works like this,
1. Joe Average start to notice what Israel is doing on the evening news
2. Palestinians get fed up with Israel for the upteenth time
3. Palestinian driven to desperation suicide bombs an Israeli bus killing 3 jews and 12 arabs, "evil rag-heads" pays loose change to bomber's mother for lose
4. Joe Average, who has a 15 minute attention span forgets that Israel bull-dozed Palestinial offices, bombed refugee camp in Lebonon or sunk the USS Liberty or WHAT-EVER
5. News media bombards Joe Average with 2 weeks straight coveage of 15 Israelis killed, congress-critter sends Israel more money
6. Israelis attack more until death ratio hits 10 to 1.
7. "evil-raghead" gets more money to fight the Israelis, Israelis get more money US foriegn aid, everybody else pays.

Of course if the Palestinians put as much effert into playing nice in Israel as they do to becoming martyrs given their fecundity rate, the Kinesset would be make Arabic the offical language and Islam the offical religion of Isreal in about 30 years.

more censorship in the US is the curious omission these days of the fact that during the rape of nanking, the US had battle ships off the coast and troops in the embassy. Even though the gov. was aware of what was going on, it could not intervene because of the anti-war groups. One of the ships was even bombed by japanese aircraft and this was explained away as an accident ..

The USS Panay. It wasn't a battleship -- it was a river gunboat. It was a Battleship you can bet that a war would have resulted. In either case history seems to judge that the sinking was intentional. What's new? Anybody care to talk about the USS Liberty? Sometimes it isn't worth going to war over -- and the United States wasn't materially ready (nor was the population) for a war with Japan in 1937.

Israel, unlike its arab dictator neighbors, allows for freedom of speech, freedom of expression, of religion, etc...


Yep, just ask Mr. Vanunu, eh?

...or the Mossad-educated "interrogators" assigned to Abu Ghraib and the JIDC in Baghdad during the June '03 to January '04 time-frame?

...or shall we discuss the past of your present Prime Minister's "indirect responsibility", or the attack by Israeli warplanes and motor-torpedo boats on the USS LIBERTY (GTR-5) a ship of an erstwhile ally, which found out about Israeli nuclear secrets in international waters and was attacked?

...or shall we discuss what should be even more painful facts to Israeli citizens, such as the use of Sarin and other nerve gasses against Palestinian citizens in what even Israelis term as "the Occupied Territories"?

Israel is a military-theocratic quasi-democracy with a LIMITED freedom of speech, religion and assembly, currently engaged in the military occupation of land that they seized and continue to illegally hold, thanks to their theocratic mythology and the terms of their pseudo-democracy, and supported by Zionists and Zionist Christians in the US, for their own reasons. Because of the support from the US propping up their economy and VERY favorable terms under the World Bank and IMF, they enjoy an almost European-level pseudo-capitalist oligarchy and are still quite Socialist in their benefits policies. I find it ironic that Israeli citizens have better health-care laws and rates, supported by my tax money, than my parents do.

Additionally, Israel is a country that violates the terms of EVERY no-proliferation treaty on the books today. The ONLY place there was WMD in the Middle East in Feb-Apr '03 was Israel...should I detail where they are? Iraq was "liberated" and put under an Israeli-style occupation by the US for Israeli, not US strategic interests, just as the original Desert Storm was fought for the same reasons. All the US is experieincing in Iraq today is a less-controlled, wider-range intifadah in a different country than The Occupied Territories.

I'm not so sure about 9/11 attacks, but it is very well documented that during the war between Israel and Egypt, Israel purposely attacked an American ship so that the American army wouldn't pick up on the atrocities the Israelis were comitting against the Egyptians.

http://www.ussliberty.org/

It is poorly looked upon to criticize Jews in general, so this is close to taboo.

Israel really did attack the radio survellence ship Liberty, killing 34 americans. It is very clear that the attack was not a mistake. The best guess is they did it to prevent information about prisoner massacres from getting out. The adminstration (Johnson?) hushed it up.

See, for example, http://www.ussliberty.org or better yet Google for yourself and make up your own mind.

Honest.

I'm surprised Israel just doesn't steal Office. They stole nuke secrets from American, and illegally sold radar technology to China. Israel illegally stole Palestinian land. Israel began a war in 1967 to steal Egyptian, Syria, Jordanian and Lebanese land. They illegally tried to sink a known US ship to steal land in the Golan Heights.

The Balfour Declaration by not means gave Israel any sort of territorial rights - it was merely a letter written by the British Foreign secretary, specifying that the British government would support the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine. (link)
This would be similar to Jack Straw (the current British FS) writing a letter to some "pro-Chilean" figure, stating that the British government would support the establishment of a Chilean nation in Argentina.

The Israelis, in fact, initiated the 6-Day war. It is true that there were troop build-ups on both sides and that there was a great deal of threatening from all parties, but it was the Israelis that started the fighting. (link)
It is interesting to note that as part of the Israeli's initial attack, they assaulted a clearly marked American recon ship (USS Liberty) from the air - disabling it completely with several phases of attacks, there is also evidence that the Israelis shot down US planes that were deployed to the assitance of the Liberty. (link1 link2 link3).
Gaza, the West Bank and the Golan Heights were occupied by Israel during the 6-Day war (There were other pieces of land occupied during the war that were later returned).

The reason that it is accurately refered to as "Occupation" is that it precisely describes the situation (Similarly in concept to how the US is now occupying Iraq). The legal situation is that Israel has been mandated to return to its pre-1967 borders by a UN Security Council Resolution (242) and has ignored the international community's pressure along with several other Security Council Resolutions. Therefore, it is illegally occupying these territories .

What are these "Rules of War" that you are referring to? We've come a long way since the times when people could just take land from eachother just because they had a bigger army.

1. Maybe it's because Israel is the only democracy in the middle east.

Problem: Israel is a theocracy, not a democracy. The laws of that nation afford certain privileges to members of a specific religion, including things like citizenship rights. This is not a 'democratic republic' in the western style.

2. Or because Israel has had WMD for more than 20 years now and never even thought about initiating an assault (unlike the US, mind you).

How can you make this claim? Are you intimitely involved in the internal workings of the Israeli government, a most secretive organization? If not, what is your basis for making this claim?

3. Maybe it's because Israel protects the interests of the US in the middle east, provides intelligence for example - the only worthwhile intelligence the US has about the middle east, IMO.

In my personal opinion, Israel has become a liability for the US in the middle east, and is in fact one of the reasons why our public image is so bad there. We've blatantly supported one side in a fight spurred on by hatred on/from/for both sides.

4. Maybe it's because Israel isn't run by "crazies" - at least not more than the US is run by a war mongering illiterate. Such claims are prejudice.

If it wasn't "crazy" of Israel to sink a US military ship flying a US flag, what was it?

Israel hasn't started any of the wars it was engaged in.

If you define "starting a war" as most people would interpret it, he who fires the first shot, this is not true. Using that definition, Israel started the 1967 war. Egypt had massed troops on their border (intentionally provocative, yes. act of war? no.) so Israel responded with a preemptive strike.

You might not agree with it's current internal security policy - with regards to the palestinians - but that's a very complicated issue

Bullshit. There's nothing complicated about "if you are the immediate family member of a suicide bomber, we're going to bulldoze your house". There's nothing complicated about "we're going to build civilian settlements on the front lines of occupied territory".

It's going to take seperation from the palestinians. It's going to take generations of healing and trust-building.

Everyone knows that trust-building starts with wall-building, right?

The area in Israel has no natural resources like Saudy Arabia or Kuwait

What about water? Especially in a desert, isn't that also a natural resource?

The worst thing you can do is fulfill the stereotype of the ingnorant american cowboy by oversimplifying a painful and serious situation and thinking every problem can be solved by using power and money.

Isn't that exactly what Israel is trying to do?

The unfortunately obligatory disclaimer: I am anything but antisemetic. I am marrying a lovely New York Jew, under a chuppa. I am criticizing the actions of a national government, not a race or a religion. This disclaimer exists because all too often anyone who criticizes Israel faces accusations of bigotry, which is the precise antithesis of all that I believe in.

I was in East Africa during the USS Liberty murders. I will not forget, I will not forgive.
For the truth about the Liberty I waited 30 years for the truth to come out. Please take the time to read his story.

Maybe someday we will get revenge for the murders of my brothers.