Domain: verio.net
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Re:Devalued IP Space?
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Urchin - cream of the crop
I have tried webalizer and webtrends, but without a doubt, nr. 1 is Urchin. It really is the cream of the crop, but it costs too. You check out a sample here.
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It's been tried beforeI used to work for a large internet provider (which shall remain nameless) who had contracts with several small cable franchises for end-user internet services. As a network engineer I was responsible for planning and supervising the rollout of metered cable modem service in one mid-sized city, as a pilot program. Needless to say, things didn't work as well as we had hoped. Here are some of the problems we ran into:
- Fraud. Several prolific warez kiddies figured out how to change their MAC address to bill their service to their neighbors or even to our own router (!). We're still not sure exactly how that happened. Sure, we cut them off and connected their modems to a high voltage source as punishment (our contract allowed it), but how many more are there who we didn't catch?
- Billing issues. People who obviously ran up a very high bandwidth bill would call us and complain when they got their statements, asking us to lower their bills. Our position was that it wasn't our responsibility that they couldn't figure out how to close Napster or stop downloading porn. When they paid with credit card we would sometimes lose the dispute, but things were okay when they paid with cash or check.
- Expectation of quality. As you know, a cable modem is a shared medium and cable companies are not at fault for your neighbors' downloading habits. However, it was considered a potential legal liability to be providing a service of varying quality.
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Re:Spam is theft, theft is legal,..."If you want random pseudonymous people putting arbitrary files on your machine, be my guest, but don't cry to me when they put on your machine files which you don't want."
Back when 99% of the 'random pseudonymous people' turned out to be people who were contacting me to discuss something I'd posted somewhere, there was no problem. When spammers started abusing this system for their own gain, a "tragedy of the commons" ensued.
Your "well established protocol" analogy is utterly useless. The well established protocol for email is that it is NOT for the mass distribution of unsolicited email on an opt-out basis. No mind reading necessary. Wake the fsck up and read your own ISP's acceptable usage policy. (whois, traceroute, and ARIN suggest that Verio is your ISP, if I'm wrong you'll have to find the AUP yourself...) The "protocol" hss been in writing ever since spammers started pissing in the pool. Smaller ISPs caught on early, but even giants like MCI were catching on by 1996 and now you'd be hard-pressed to find an ISP that doesn't subscribe to the same "protocol." And if your ISP doesn't, you can expect most of your outgoing mail to bounce.
That said, as a practical matter, the only way to be free from spam is to make it difficult for 'random pseudonymous people' to get into your mailbox. Unless junk email gets regulated like junk fax, I expect whitelisting to catch on in a big way. In a few years, people will simply expect their first email to someone to bounce back with a message that says something like "please reply to this message with the subject line intact, unless you are a spammer." Three-way handshake will be the norm, not the exception.
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The Nature of ChangeYou get no more then you pay for. In most states there are low limits on the liability of free services. If you depend on a free service try to use open source. That way it will only really die when something better comes around.
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.com implosion will continue. When half of the customer base unable to pay their bills the providers start having problems too. The capital markets allowed for great experimentation with many business models and corporate structure. Now with so many out there now it is time to find out which models will survive. Only the strong will survive. But, they will survive.As a group, people over estimate the short term effects and under estimate the long term effects of any new technology. The ASP model has its merits and niches. The short term predictions will not reached. In the long term it will be even greater then predicted.
The early predictions for the computer were something like there would be a need 8 to solve all the worlds problems. I bet in the very short term, the companies who wanted to sell and service those 8 computers were sorely disappointed that there were not 8 buyers to be found. Most of those early companies probably went under. But, we know how that ended up. The same thing happened with lasers, cars, railroads, airplanes and fiber optics. We do not have the laser ray guns but we do have bar-code readers, cd/dvd players and the basis of our long distance commutation network.
ASP's are still in their early stages. They are still looking for the killer app. ASP's are not the answer to all of our problems like the marketing would suggest. But, they ASP model does help to solve many real problems.
Right now if you find a ASP that is a good fit for you, go for it. Read your contract. Have a contingency plan. Read the SEC filings of possible providers. Calculate the cash burn rate. Are they going to be around much longer?
I happen to work for verio on the hosted oracle product. With verio having been bought by NTT, I have the resources to do things in the way that makes the most sense in the long term. Even if someone already has an in house oracle shop they still could use the product to store their recovery catalog, to push out data to share with a partner or cache data for their co-loc / hosted web server etc...
The market is still very young and most oracle people simply do not believe that it is possible for us to offer what we do. Everybody thinks that it is too cheap. There are some great gains to be had with economies of scale. The fundamental issue is that specialization and scaling do provide economic advantage. That concept is the foundation of the free market. If somebody has found a better cheaper way to do things then you do what you are good at and pay somebody else to do what they are good at.
The fundamental idea for ASP's is sound. Change always is slower and more sweeping then we think.
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The Nature of ChangeYou get no more then you pay for. In most states there are low limits on the liability of free services. If you depend on a free service try to use open source. That way it will only really die when something better comes around.
The
.com implosion will continue. When half of the customer base unable to pay their bills the providers start having problems too. The capital markets allowed for great experimentation with many business models and corporate structure. Now with so many out there now it is time to find out which models will survive. Only the strong will survive. But, they will survive.As a group, people over estimate the short term effects and under estimate the long term effects of any new technology. The ASP model has its merits and niches. The short term predictions will not reached. In the long term it will be even greater then predicted.
The early predictions for the computer were something like there would be a need 8 to solve all the worlds problems. I bet in the very short term, the companies who wanted to sell and service those 8 computers were sorely disappointed that there were not 8 buyers to be found. Most of those early companies probably went under. But, we know how that ended up. The same thing happened with lasers, cars, railroads, airplanes and fiber optics. We do not have the laser ray guns but we do have bar-code readers, cd/dvd players and the basis of our long distance commutation network.
ASP's are still in their early stages. They are still looking for the killer app. ASP's are not the answer to all of our problems like the marketing would suggest. But, they ASP model does help to solve many real problems.
Right now if you find a ASP that is a good fit for you, go for it. Read your contract. Have a contingency plan. Read the SEC filings of possible providers. Calculate the cash burn rate. Are they going to be around much longer?
I happen to work for verio on the hosted oracle product. With verio having been bought by NTT, I have the resources to do things in the way that makes the most sense in the long term. Even if someone already has an in house oracle shop they still could use the product to store their recovery catalog, to push out data to share with a partner or cache data for their co-loc / hosted web server etc...
The market is still very young and most oracle people simply do not believe that it is possible for us to offer what we do. Everybody thinks that it is too cheap. There are some great gains to be had with economies of scale. The fundamental issue is that specialization and scaling do provide economic advantage. That concept is the foundation of the free market. If somebody has found a better cheaper way to do things then you do what you are good at and pay somebody else to do what they are good at.
The fundamental idea for ASP's is sound. Change always is slower and more sweeping then we think.
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Verio's routing policy.Verio's routing policy (viewable at http://info.us.bb.verio.net/routing.html) basically says that Verio follows allocation boundaries in accepting inbound announcements:
/24s will be heard only from traditional C space, etc. Additionally, Verio will not announce longer prefixes than /24s.This isn't "Nazi-ish." This is common sense. If everyone started aggregating properly, there would be a lot less overhead.
Frankly, I think IP allocations should be yanked from people who don't know how to announce them properly.
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What I did...
I think I got the same spam you did, from "mygeek.com".
The first thing I did was blackhole the 204.176.122.0/24 network (this is the IP address where the spam originated from - this ensures I won't be getting any more from them - ever)
The next thing I did was track down marketsharerecovery.com, which is hosted by Verio.
Poking around Verio's site, it turns out that selling people's email addresses for spam is against their AUP. (http://home.verio.net/company/policies/aup.cfm states pretty plainly that "Advertising, transmitting, or otherwise making available any software, program, product, or service that is designed to violate this AUP, which includes the facilitation of the means to spam" is a violation.) Selling bulk email addresses is a pretty clear facilitation of the means to spam.
I got a boilerplate reply from Verio, stating that they had taken "appropriate action" (but that they couldn't tell me what that action was, due to privacy concerns.)
Bitch to Verio - if enough people do it, they'll eventually shut them down. You have to be vocal.
But another tactic might be to shut down the spammer.. anyone for a class-action lawsuit against marketsharerecovery.com?