Domain: vorbis.org
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Saying that homebrewed software is completly irrevelant to gamers, is like saying that open-source is irrevelant to gamers.
Maybe most gamers don't install Linux or haven't even heard of opensource.
But just look on how many games today are using OGG/vorbis for sound.
And how many servers a gamers encounters do run Linux and/or Apache.
Less restriction helps bringing more interesting uses for the end user, even if the user himself doesn't directly use them. -
Re:Forgive my ignorance, but...I forgive your ignorance, but condemn your laziness, even though it is supposed to be one of the virtues of a programmer.
See Vorbis for more information.
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Some Informative Literature Regarding Patents
I believe that it's important to hear all sides to any issue, so here are two Ogg Vorbis encoded recordings of Richard M. Stallman speaking about software patents and a percieved danger that they pose to software development. I know that this story isn't specifically about software patents, but you may find his ideas informative and extensible. (Disclaimer: Verbatim copying and distribution of the entire speech recording are permitted provided this notice is preserved.)
http://audio-video.gnu.org/audio/rms-speech-cambri dgeuni-england2002.ogg Transcript
http://audio-video.gnu.org/audio/rms-speech-patent s-lse2002.ogg
Here is a transcript of a non-recorded speech given by RMS in India also on the issue of software patents.
I hope some of you find these links useful. If anyone knows of any good links taking differing position on the issue of patent law, etc... than I would definitly encourage you to post those. -
Re:Craziness!
I was converting some of my oldest CDs to ogg and find out that a couple of them do not work anymore.
However if you have a Mammoth you can copy it.
How To Clone A Mammoth -
MP3 to Ogg?I get all of my music from the online "music communities", mostly OpenNap. There is a single server on the "OggVorbis" network, but I still find that it's mostly MP3 format.
So far I haven't been able to find an MP3->Ogg converter for Unix/Linux... if there one listed on http://vorbis.org I'm sure Ogg would be a much more widely used format.
I'll probably end up finding an MP3->WAV converter and then using oggenc from there... sigh =\
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Re:MP3 is NOT a free standard.
Ogg Vorbis, however, is a truely Free audio format of the same/higher quality as MP3.
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Re:Quicktime codecs ?Presumably Apple is striving for widespread acceptance of quicktime. I don't think a project lead throwing a hissy fit because some Linux users weren't nice to him furthers this goal.
Don't release it then; I won't use it. I can frankly do without streaming video and my favorite radio station (WFMU) has MP3 streams.
What these companies keep forgetting is that the multitude of incompatible streams and players will soon eclipse bandwidth as the single greatest reason that streaming on the 'Net is a waste of time. Then, one day, Ogg's video codec or something similar will put that whiny project lead out of a job.
Good for him.
Boss of nothin. Big deal.
Son, go get daddy's hard plastic eyes. -
too lazy. but here's a link anyway:
Actually, it really would have been common courtesy of me to include more links. Sorry.
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Vorbis! Does noone here remember Vorbis?
After all...that just gives MP3's more of a chance.
Ahem, leaving SDMI for MP3 is just leaving the DMCA Swamp for the Patent Quagmire. Out of the frying pan, into the fire.
Why don't we go for the option that doesn't involve breaking the law (and has nice fringe benefits -- MP3 is old tech now), when we can?
And, by the way, the Vorbis format is finalized and has been for some time. bps limitations of current encoders are only a result of the encoding software, not of limitations of the underlying format. Not to mention that
.ogg seems to be sounding better than higher-bitrate .mp3s as the encoders improve...This does it, I'm re-encoding[1] all the music on my site to
--- .ogg when I get the chance. I need the space savings anyway.[1] that is -- encoding new
.oggs from pristine audio, not "converting" the existing .mp3s."converting" among lossy formats is always going to sound bad.
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Cracking the format wouldn't necessarily be bad...Prolong their time to market with an already too-little-too-late stopgap measure... Maybe submit a thorough and unquestionable compromise of their proposed format shortly before the deadline... send them back to the drawing boards and if they challenge again... full circle again?...
By that time, OggVorbis should be ready for primetime and maybe animated PNGs (MNGs is it?) streamable and GPL'd in Mozilla... Sweet digital freedom =) maybe.
Otherwise, they may get products to market real soon and upgrade shipping nomads and rios etc. with shrinkwrapped crippleware. It might be simply better to crack it and open the method (DeSDMI?) after it's adopted but it could do some damage to further prolong their ability to compete while reevaluating new security schemes and not selling new devices. That's what I thinq anyway. TTFN.
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Re:AUGH!! NO!
Yeah, sounds good. But how popular the Vorbis will be? And MP3 is a compression method, right? And isn't it so, that an algorithm for the compression method can be patented, not the compression method itself? Or am I mistaken?
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Ogg VorbisWell first off, for those that don't know, there's ogg vorbis. You know what I'm looking forward to? Its multi-channel capability. I've taken to getting concert DVDs, because I really like the surrond sound (the only reason I buy dvds is because I have DeCSS, so I have the capability of easily ripping stuff to use as I like.)
What I plan to do is rip the surrond tracks from my dvds when ogg reaches maturity, and encode them for playing through a computer. What I _really_ would like to see is a CAR STEREO that has surround sound cabability. I mean, they're ALREADY hooked up to front and rear left and right. If I had a car stereo that could play ogg AND was surround sound aware, that would be just spiffy.
"What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is"
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AUGH!! NO!
Please, think about the future. Consider Vorbis instead.
It's "out of the frying pan and into the fire" if you stick with MP3. [remember the patents?]
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NO.
I'd much rather say "Streaming Vorbis" instead...