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Re:Why?
That's actually not correct. If you look at Figure 2-1 in the W46F product guide, you'll see that it provides propulsion from about 390 to 600 rpm. The listed speed of 600 rpm is just the maximum.
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Re:Why?
This is already the case. Typical Wärtsilä diesel engine, which is used pretty much all over the maritime business is constant RPM diesel.
See:
https://www.wartsila.com/produ...
Select engine, click "technical data" and you'll see the RPM engine operates at.
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Signifigant
There are many generating plants that support frequency response. The value of frequency response support is already recognized in some markets. Eventually the available ramp rate will become a component of the market price of frequency response. The ability to program static inverter power supplies to have a response that acts like high inertia generation with very fast throttle response+ is significant.
Here are some systems to compare.
Dinorwig Power Station Wales Hydro pumped storage
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Re:Production?
The best you can do with an internal combustion engine in theory is 37%
Nonsense. Wartsila diesel engines can get up to 50% efficient. The best you can do with a heat engine in theory is limited only by the temperatures it operates between. In practice, there are materials limits. -
Re:Bring back Neutron Jack
Here's a cite for you: The island I live on has (almost) all of it's power provided by RECO, using Wärtsilä generators (disregarding the very low adoption of PV and wind, and the couple of gas stations that run their own generators).
According to the first link, RECO burns 15,000 gallons of diesel a day providing the power for this island, according to the second, it's one of 1550 such power plants around the world (specificly using Wärtsilä generators.).
Now, as you pointed out, this is a rather expensive way to go for power generation, but it's certainly done. Of course, the reason this makes any sense if because this is a relatively small island 50 miles off the coast of Honduras, we can't afford the infrastructure needed for a more efficient means of power generation.
Finally, in the interests of full disclosure, I will note that RECO was recently (3 or 4 years ago) bought out by an investor who has been investing massive amounts of money into it, and once he's done bringing the distribution infrastructure up to snuff, he's announced plans to change over to biomass generation. -
Re:or desalinate?
Your math seems solid, but taking the Emma Maersk as an example doesn't quite work.
Container ships carry time-critical goods, meaning they have to be fast. The Emma Maersk is among the fastest cargo ships in the world, doing 25.5 knots. Tankers sail much slower, for example the Hellespont Alhambra does 16.5 knots, which is quite fast for a tanker. Lower speed means you need less engine power, which means you consume less fuel. While the Emma Maersk has an 80MW main engine and five auxiliary engines of 6MW each (totaling 110MW), the Hellespont Alhambra makes do with a main engine of 36.9MW along with three auxiliary engines generating 1.5MW each (totaling around 41.5MW).
Another difference is that containers have a very low density, meaning container ships have a relatively low deadweight tonnage (carrying capacity). The Emma Maersk can carry 156,907 tonnes, the Hellespont Alhambra can carry 442,470 tonnes.
This means the Hellespont Alhambra carries 2.82 times the amount of cargo, using only 37.7% of the Emma Maersk's fuel while running at 64.7% of the Emma's speed. This means it is (2.82*0.647/0.377) 4.84 times as efficient as the Emma Maersk.
Napkin math aside, they'd use smaller tankers for this, since Alaska doesn't have any ports that can accommodate supertankers with their 24m (80ft) draft.
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Re:Need sailors to vette sea stories
A blown boiler is sure to ruin anyone's day.
While I agree that most merchant ships can't sustain 26 knots. I don't think many of them are steam powered anymore. They mostly use low speed diesel engines, such as those manufactured by Wartsila.
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copyright violation
Hnm...the article is a little disreputable. As far as I can tell, here's what happened. Some guy named Todd Walke scraped photos and diagrams out of the pdfs on this Wartsila web page. He made his own web page, which, AFAICT from Google, no longer exists, possibly because he got a take-down notice from Warsila. Meanwhile, a bunch of other people have mirrored the page. So in other words, the Slashdot story linked to somebody's copyright-violating copy of a copyright-violating copy of some of Wartsila's pics. As other people have pointed out, it's actually not the world's most powerful diesel engine, either. Oh well, the pics are cool!
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Manufacturer's site has better info
The product page has a couple of PDFs with actual technical data and some nice photos. Oh, and in terms of real units, the power output is up to 80 MW for the largest model.
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You want to stand behind that?
We already grow all the biomass we need to replace fossil petrol.
Pardon me if I don't accept your unsupported word on this. Got any cites to back yourself up? And you wanna put some money on that?Biodiesel isn't a good way to provide electricity... imagine running diesel generators non-stop to try and supply all the energy needs for even a small country.. impossible.
Funny, that's exactly how some small countries (islands and such) supply their electricity. Diesels are still used as peaking generators in some parts of the USA, if I'm not mistaken, and diesels are sold for electric generation purposes (you can order them today). Big diesels can hit 50% thermal efficiency, quite a bit better than steam turbines and up there with combined-cycle plants (and a lot more throttleable).So I'm not even attempting to say that all fossil fuels will be replaced, just diesel and gasoline
Tell me how much of the US land mass would have to be planted in cotton, flax, mustard, canola/rape, etc. to replace petroleum motor fuel. You will find petroleum information here.If you add it all up we already produce billions of barrels of viable oils and with a demand market farmers would have even more incentive to grow these cash crops.
You're saying that these oils are produced now... for no purpose whatsoever? Pardon my skepticism. I seem to recall reading that the US uses about 1 billion gallons of edible oils per year (a few gallons per capita), which seems about right; even if it was 100% converted to biodiesel, it only represents a small fraction of on-road diesel consumption, forget total motor fuel consumption.Tell me how much you're willing to wager, I can use the money.
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You want to stand behind that?
We already grow all the biomass we need to replace fossil petrol.
Pardon me if I don't accept your unsupported word on this. Got any cites to back yourself up? And you wanna put some money on that?Biodiesel isn't a good way to provide electricity... imagine running diesel generators non-stop to try and supply all the energy needs for even a small country.. impossible.
Funny, that's exactly how some small countries (islands and such) supply their electricity. Diesels are still used as peaking generators in some parts of the USA, if I'm not mistaken, and diesels are sold for electric generation purposes (you can order them today). Big diesels can hit 50% thermal efficiency, quite a bit better than steam turbines and up there with combined-cycle plants (and a lot more throttleable).So I'm not even attempting to say that all fossil fuels will be replaced, just diesel and gasoline
Tell me how much of the US land mass would have to be planted in cotton, flax, mustard, canola/rape, etc. to replace petroleum motor fuel. You will find petroleum information here.If you add it all up we already produce billions of barrels of viable oils and with a demand market farmers would have even more incentive to grow these cash crops.
You're saying that these oils are produced now... for no purpose whatsoever? Pardon my skepticism. I seem to recall reading that the US uses about 1 billion gallons of edible oils per year (a few gallons per capita), which seems about right; even if it was 100% converted to biodiesel, it only represents a small fraction of on-road diesel consumption, forget total motor fuel consumption.Tell me how much you're willing to wager, I can use the money.
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Re:All these blackout stories..
nah with todays computer systems you will need something more on this scale.... Wartsila 46