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President's Weekly Radio Address (comedy)
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Re:First amendment?
Sorry, but frankly I don't think anyone could mistake an address about using monkeys as CIA agents to be real: http://www.weeklyradioaddress.com/WRA20050716a.ht
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Re:This is called a "joke?"
the fact that you cannot distinguish between parody and official message
I said "How is its use considered satire?", not "Is this satire?". These are two completely different questions.
As I also mentioned, I can quite simply slip in one of those "satirical" radio addresses in what should be a legitimate discussion. To verify that I'm linking to an offical site, I'll just ask you to follow the first link in the title bar, that will bring you here, as opposed to what is linked to on the official site - saying that level of imitation is still a satire is saying those PayPal phishing sites are also satire (meant to collect the names of people stupid enough to fall for that trap).
Consider the most recent Jack Thompson incident to be another thing claimed to be satire by the writer (including the donation claim ). In that case, it isn't since it is exactly the kind of game that will be written - and when people took it seriously, you-know-who claimed that gamers were too stupid to tell that it was satire.
There are some things that do not qualify as satire, and are called "attemped satire" instead. Even I can make a better attpampt by taking a "declassified" document and stamping the seal all over the text, with a caption of "Recently Declassified by order of the president." It's simple satire that shows that the US still keeps secrets, even if the usage of the mark is marginally inappropriate.is all the more reason to worry about this country today... and is all the more reason to use the seal.
That reminds me: George W. Bush reminds youngers to practice a safe Halloween - you can tell just by looks that this is is just as official as any other statement - you can tell because the Privacy Policy based on both links are completely identical. -
Re:This is called a "joke?"
the fact that you cannot distinguish between parody and official message
I said "How is its use considered satire?", not "Is this satire?". These are two completely different questions.
As I also mentioned, I can quite simply slip in one of those "satirical" radio addresses in what should be a legitimate discussion. To verify that I'm linking to an offical site, I'll just ask you to follow the first link in the title bar, that will bring you here, as opposed to what is linked to on the official site - saying that level of imitation is still a satire is saying those PayPal phishing sites are also satire (meant to collect the names of people stupid enough to fall for that trap).
Consider the most recent Jack Thompson incident to be another thing claimed to be satire by the writer (including the donation claim ). In that case, it isn't since it is exactly the kind of game that will be written - and when people took it seriously, you-know-who claimed that gamers were too stupid to tell that it was satire.
There are some things that do not qualify as satire, and are called "attemped satire" instead. Even I can make a better attpampt by taking a "declassified" document and stamping the seal all over the text, with a caption of "Recently Declassified by order of the president." It's simple satire that shows that the US still keeps secrets, even if the usage of the mark is marginally inappropriate.is all the more reason to worry about this country today... and is all the more reason to use the seal.
That reminds me: George W. Bush reminds youngers to practice a safe Halloween - you can tell just by looks that this is is just as official as any other statement - you can tell because the Privacy Policy based on both links are completely identical. -
Notary Public's Seals are the SameIt's a seal. It's supposed to show that something is authentic! You can't allow a seal to be used willy-nilly or it utterly loses its purpose, even if the offending use is in paraody material Slashdotters apparently love.
I think similar laws are in effect for the use or reporduction of a notary public's seal for the same reasons. When my wife was a notary, I recall the laws were pretty draconian. Even using a notary public's seal in satire would not be permissible as it could lead to misidentification of it as authentic just as the use of the Presidential seal on this Onion web page is highly misleading.
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Re:I dunno
Is this site real or a humorous parody?
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this is the actual site that they're worried aboutWeeklyRadioAddress.com
if you look at that, you'll see that they've ripped the entire whitehouse.gov interface, and built thier content inside of it. yes, you'd have to have no sense of humor to realize that the prez wouldn't actively talk about being touched inappropriately by the holy spirit, or tell the victims of katrina to go into the military (would he?), but i can see where they'd be a bit upset.
the main onion page, though, is a no-brainer.
i wonder if the press confused the two?
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Re:This is called a "joke?"
Showing the Presidential seal does not fall outside of the bounds of Satire, because clearly they are not implying Presidential support or endorcement. Therefore the use is acceptable.
How is its use considered satire?
While something may be protected by the First Amendment because it is satire, parody or some other thing, it has to qualify as such. As of this posting, I see the symbol used in The Onion's weekly radio address - I don't even see a remote connection about the seal being parodied or satirized, and neither does anyone else.
The souce website, known as Weekly Radio Addresses, creates these parodies - and also uses the seal. Compare this to the Official radio addresses. While there is indications that site itself is a parody, you actually have to dig beyond the links at the top of the site (which pretend to be the official Whitehouse site - at the very least, they could have given themselves away by linking to Whitehouse.com.) -
Re:I dunno
The site provided to fake radio announcements:
http://weeklyradioaddress.com/ does not appear to be an obvious parody. A parody, yes, but it was enough to fool me for the time between me reading the site, and the time it took to listen to a few seconds of the audio. Furthering the illusion are links at the bottom and the right-hand column to actual whitehouse sites.
Specifically, examine the "news" links in the right column: 4 of the 5 links direct to whitehouse.gov; only the 5th link directs back the parody site.
Interspersed with these links are several other links to parody sites. What is disorienting is that these links are not distingushable, until I see that the address is altered.
These are the same techniques used by phishing sites, in order to confuse, disorient, and decieve readers.
There are uses for parody, but there should be safeguards to prevent people from being decieved. -
weeklyradioaddress.com
More insidious is the site http://www.weeklyradioaddress.com./ This site (which seems to provide the content to the Onion) steals the layout of the official site (http://www.whitehouse.gov/radio), without providing anything to tell us that it's fake.
Something like this could quite possibly cause confusion to the unaware. So I think that it is within the rights of the White House to try and prevent that confusion. -
Thin Skinned
Here is the standalone version of the site Weekly Radio Address. Not once during the Clinton administration did they send a cease and desist letter to the parodies aired on the Rush Limbaugh show. Looks like The Onion isn't the only thing that's thin skinned.
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Re:I dunno
I have not read TFA (silly registration required stuff), but this could be related to http://weeklyradioaddress.com/ which, AFAICT, does not have anything that immediately says it's satire. And it's not just "evil corporations" and "the foolish American government" that are protecting certain images (such as logos and seals), but mozilla.org has trademarks, IIRC the Linux penguin is trademarked, it wouldn't suprise me if the slashdot logo was trademarked. And there are reasons for trademarks.
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Re:First amendment?
Well they're hardly using it to promote a commercial venture,
If that's true, they should drop the banner ads, and they should definitely stop intercepting hits to their home page to display interstitial commercials. Today the Onion is trying to get me to buy shoes, watch TV shows, eat fast food, report software pirates, wear jeans, buy belts, buy The Onion books, and go to the theater. I certainly hope they're getting paid for all that.
and if you can find someone who reads one of these Onion pieces and believes it suggests presidential support,
Okay, here you go:
http://www.weeklyradioaddress.com/
This is the page that made me think they may have a case. I too thought that this was just another attempt by the Whitehouse to bitchslap dissent, because I thought that they were just talking about the presidential seal graphics that might be in photos used in obvious parody articles about the President.
But look at this page. There's no info about the Onion (you'd have to have started from an Onion page to find out the connection), all the links go to official whitehouse.gov pages, the style is that of the official whitehouse.gov page, the server uses local copies of their potentially copyrighted graphics, and they've got a nearly identical (it says "Resident of the United States" now) copy of the Presidential Seal in the upper left corner: large enough to recognize, but small enough that the modification (even assuming it's always been modified) isn't obvious.
Could someone listen to one of these addresses and not realize they were listening to a parody? I doubt it, but then again I knew they were an Onion parody before I ever went to the site, and I've only listened to one address so far. Since the Onion's humor is sometimes of the prescient "it's funny cause it's true" variety, I could definitely imagine there being addresses in there capable of fooling people.
could you point them in my direction, as i've got this bridge i'd like to sell them.
Well, I'm not buying, but there's no story so ridiculous you won't find someone to buy it. Even the Onion's regular articles have fooled the Bejing Evening News, MSNBC, and some fundamentalist Christian groups in the past. -
Listen to the president
There were some really insightful comments in the The Future of Education presidential radio address.