Domain: wikivoyage.org
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Re:Ways around this
let alone makes a stopover, you still are subject to US customs inspection.
Another US peculiarity, which is a major problem for many people daily.
Making it worse, the US considers Canada and Mexico part of the US for visa purposes.
So a 4-month visit to Canada, transiting the US both ways, is considered a 4-month stay in the US and so ineligible for ESTA and needing a full visa with interview just to transit.Here is some help to avoid US transit:
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Not tust Japan
China, Korea and many European countries already have large high-speed rail systems and are building more. China's fastest is 400+ km/h from an airport to central Shanghai, but they have lot of 350 km/h trains on longer routes. Compared to other highly industrialised countries, US passenger rail is downright primitive & Canada is even worse. An article on the Chinese system: https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki...
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Re:Forgot to mention...
EVERY where you go, you will find tons of objectionable behaviour, norms and social mores. You will often be saying "we didn't do it like this back home" or "it wasn't like this back home". It's called cultural shock for a reason.
But's that's price you pay. No one is saying you must accept that...merely that if you can't accept it, it would be suitable for you to stay home.
The Person in the article could accept it, hence Malaysia.
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Related article
This article is on retiring abroad, but it contains some material relevant to the remote-work-overseas scheme: http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Retiring_abroad
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Re:Mosquito Extinction Campaign
Advice for tourists to the Amazon:
"Rio Negro is an area that is great for the jungle vegetation and for the lack of mosquitoes (due to the acidity of the river). Unfortunately, the lack of mosquitoes means there are a lot fewer animals that live there."
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Re:To be clear...
As a long-time contributor to Wikitravel, I'm very glad to see Wikivoyage managed by Wikimedia. Internet Brands, the organization that took over Wikitravel some time ago, has been turning their site into a classic example of ham-handed monetization; compare intrusive travel booking banners and horrendously limited search to their respective alternatives. For a while, they were even several versions behind the MediaWiki platform itself. I abandoned contributing to Wikitravel last year, and I'm very happy to have a new place to which I can contribute content. More importantly, I suspect I'm not the only one.
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Re:To be clear...
As a long-time contributor to Wikitravel, I'm very glad to see Wikivoyage managed by Wikimedia. Internet Brands, the organization that took over Wikitravel some time ago, has been turning their site into a classic example of ham-handed monetization; compare intrusive travel booking banners and horrendously limited search to their respective alternatives. For a while, they were even several versions behind the MediaWiki platform itself. I abandoned contributing to Wikitravel last year, and I'm very happy to have a new place to which I can contribute content. More importantly, I suspect I'm not the only one.
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Re:What they did may have been unethical, but-
Except Tomothy Lord is an employee of Andover.net with a specific employment contract and policies that he has agreed to follow.
In the case of the admins of WikiTravel, there were no policies governing their use of the mailing lists and administrative tools... other than "use common sense" and "don't be an ass". Those are hardly contractual requirements to avoid at least suggesting that all of the admins have moved on to another website and it would be nice if they would follow along. There were policies about the interaction with users in regards to deleting content, but those were mainly guidelines anyway. Most wikis (even Wikipedia) has pretty loose policies in regards to administrators and expects them to be mature and not doing things rashly.
In this case, apparently the WikiTravel admins did come to some sort of group consensus and if the Migration FAQ is any indication, the group e-mails did have a sort of official standing.... from the group of admins who had been running the site previously.
In fact, if you want to read a really interesting page (until it gets deleted), I'd suggest reading this:
http://wikitravel.org/en/User_talk:IBobiThis is apparently the current "bureaucrat" in charge of the site. Note that several of the previous bureaucrats had even desysoped this user (an employee of Internet Brands apparently) and it sort of is the current hotbed of discussion... or at least what is left.
The sad part: I think this particular person is also going to become a bit of a scape goat for Internet Brands. It will be interesting to see where this goes.
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Re:It's theirs no matter what they did with it.
I guess all of that is up to a judge and jury to decide, if these folks want to go forward.
The awesome thing is that the Wikimedia general counsel is essentially offering his services (with permission of the WMF board of trustees) to act as their attorney so this can set a precedent to tell would be idiots like Internet Brands to suck an egg. They have the WMF at their back.
As for if it was a lie or not, that is also the point of this going to adjudication. I really don't think IB is going to succeed here.
I would have to presume that some sort of "consensus" happened among the admins to speak in this manner. Perhaps what is being portrayed elsewhere is also a lie to suggest that a vast majority of the admins are making the move together with a large number of regular contributors. There will always be stragglers being left behind, but the bulk of the community is moving. Perhaps you have some evidence to the contrary, but that seems to be the situation. To quote:
Wikitravel's administrators have agreed unanimously to leave the website Wikitravel, hosted by Internet Brands, and to create a new site that will initially begin with the same content.
--- http://www.wikivoyage.org/general/Migration_FAQ
I'd be curious who is going to be left after all of these experienced admins are gone? There might be a few people who are newly promoted admins, but unless they have substantial experience in running a high traffic wiki they are going to be quickly overwhelmed. This Slashdot story alone is going to flood the site with trolls that is going to test the patience of the admins. Certainly the heart and soul of the site are going to be gone.
Somebody is certainly telling a lie here. My gut reaction is to suggest when terms like "unanimous" are thrown around, that it really means something.