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If you liked Peter's book, attend Peter's workshop
I agree, perl medic is a great book, influential in encouraging and developing good habits.
Peter will be speaking, though not on the same topic, at YAPC:2005, June 27, 28, 29 in Toronto. There's a whole day's worth of workshops on perl6, including PUGS, most of a day on testing, as well as threads on DBI, CGI, and lots of other workshops. Register now! At $85US for registration, it's the best bargain you'll find this year.
If you are planning to attend, Book your hotel room soon. The host hotel is only guaranteeing room availability till next weekend. There's a huge conference coming to Toronto a few days after YAPC, so the hotel wants to start making rooms available for early arrivals. Not that all the rooms will disappear the first day, but you wouldn't want to be disappointed, would you?
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YAPC
This thing keeps getting mentioned on all my LUG lists: http://www.yapc.org/
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Re:Reading Perl code?
- use Perl; is a good place, but very informal and tends to get sidetracked into politics
:) - Your local Perl mongers group may be a great place
- YAPC (Yet Another Perl Conference) and the Perl conference (now part of the Open Source conference) usually have many good presentations by the truly great Perl programmers
- I have the impression that Perlmonks is pretty good, though I don't tend to use it much
- Finally, the Perl5 Porters mailing list is the real original heart of the Perl community, though I think nowadays many of those guys have moved onto Perl6 work
A list of names is also useful: material by Damian Conway, Larry Wall, Randal Schwartz, Mark Jason Dominus, Simon Cozens (Perl involvement now minimal due to career change), and persons associated with them is going to be top notch. Plug their names into Google and see what they have to say. Catch a presentation or read a book by one of them if you can. Meanwhile, there is truly a lot of junk out there. There's an article out there somewhere about "how to tell a good Perl book from a bad Perl book," which I thought was by Mark Jason Dominus, but I can't seem to find it at the moment.
Finally, 90% of the useful modules you'll see recommended for use from CPAN are written by the intelligent lights in the Perl community. The time-tested modules that are now standard solutions are those that were written with high quality by good programmers.
- use Perl; is a good place, but very informal and tends to get sidetracked into politics
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Already knew it
I had that explained to me in person in an excellent, unrelated presentation at YAPC 2002 by Mark-Jason Dominus when he failed to follow his own advice.
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hidden agenda's
This is all just a plot to get tickets to YAPC::Europe
And a damn good one too, i'm going. Hope we'll get some scoop on this too
One year has passed since the last YAPC and they defenately confused me enough to make me want to hear The Damian explain it to me all over again, or anyone who understands it for that matter ;)
Funny how he won over the complete hall of coders using only two words: "less chars" -
Re:Namespace Collision
YAPC is an umbrella organisation which helps organise cheap, community Perl conferences. This year we have conferences in locations such as Paris, Israel, Boca Raton and Ottowa, and releated workshops in Bonn and Copenhagen. The namespace collision is intentional.
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Re:Time for Berl?
At Yet Another Perl Conference this year there was a book auction to raise funds for Perl development. Tons and tons of O'Reilly, Manning, and other books, and not just Perl books. It was interesting to see where the interests lay. There were plenty of wisecracks and groans for Java, Python, and PHP books. (I picked up Learning Python for $10.) Interestingly enough, there was intense interest in the Ruby books, and no wisecracks. Went for a higher than average price, I believe.
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Wireless Securtity TalkYey Gus for giving the same wireless security talk he did at YAPC::Europe last year.
Basically at the end of the event he presented the "We've had free wireless access for the entire event , and we sniffed this many plain text passwords flying across the open" talk. Silly, silly people.
SSH is your friend.
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YAS/Perl Foundation have lost it!I like Perl and even attended last year's YAPC::Europe. But I must say that YAS and the Perl Foundation seem to have lost it.
Firstly, this year's YAPC::Europe is in Munich, and is on the week before the "Oktober Fest". Now, I am sure a few of the attendees at the conference will want to go to this unfortunate event, but not the majority. So the Munich.pm people have set up the conference for the busiest and most expensive time of year (accommodation and travel-wise). They are asking people to make reservations now. Excuse me? The conference is over half a year away. I don't want what I'm going to be doing in September, do you? The theme of the conference is some silly quasi-intellectual "Science of Perl" nonsense. Surely the theme should have been Perl 6? Apparently not....
Secondly what the hell makes the Perl Foundation think they're going to get enough money? In nearly 2 months they've barely got enough for one grant, let alone 3! I despair. (And before you ask, I did make a contribution).
I know these comments seem a bit harsh, but please don't mod this down. I think I make valid points, and please forgive the tone since this is just annoying me so much.
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YAS/Perl Foundation have lost it!I like Perl and even attended last year's YAPC::Europe. But I must say that YAS and the Perl Foundation seem to have lost it.
Firstly, this year's YAPC::Europe is in Munich, and is on the week before the "Oktober Fest". Now, I am sure a few of the attendees at the conference will want to go to this unfortunate event, but not the majority. So the Munich.pm people have set up the conference for the busiest and most expensive time of year (accommodation and travel-wise). They are asking people to make reservations now. Excuse me? The conference is over half a year away. I don't want what I'm going to be doing in September, do you? The theme of the conference is some silly quasi-intellectual "Science of Perl" nonsense. Surely the theme should have been Perl 6? Apparently not....
Secondly what the hell makes the Perl Foundation think they're going to get enough money? In nearly 2 months they've barely got enough for one grant, let alone 3! I despair. (And before you ask, I did make a contribution).
I know these comments seem a bit harsh, but please don't mod this down. I think I make valid points, and please forgive the tone since this is just annoying me so much.
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Re:Best way to use money?Ha! Vacation? No. The travel budget comes from our goal of keeping the people we fund active in the community. That means sending them to conferences like YAPC and OSCON, as well as regular trips to see other Perl Monger groups.
Damian has set the bar very high in this regard--see the start of his 2002 schedule, and read his 2001 diary to see how much he gets around. While I doubt Larry and Dan will be travelling internationally as much as Damian, we do want them to visit user groups outside their home town.
In an ideal world, a conference would pay Larry to be Larry. Unfortunately, you might have noticed that this world isn't ideal. Larry has to pay his own way to conferences, just like everyone else.
--Nathan Torkington
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Re:Neat, but......will there be a version letting one write in the original Klingon?
Well...kinda. I demo'd the forthcoming Lingua::tlhInganHol::yIghun Perl module at YAPC::NA last June. It will hit the CPAN in a few weeks time.
With it you'll be able to implement programs like Eratosthenes' well-known "Death Challenge for Primes" in the original Klingon:
#! /usr/bin/perl
use Lingua::tlhInganHol::yIghun;
###### mI'wa'DIchvaD 'eratoSHeneS HeghqaD #####
<mI' tIn law': > yIghItlh!
mI'tInwIj laDDaqvo'Hal yIlaD nob!
mI'wa'DIchmeywIj cha' mI'tIn chen nob!
{
mI'wa'DIchmeyvaD { 'oH gheD chuv! } mI'wa'DIchmey tIwIv yInob!
gheD <<\n>> ghItlh!
} gheDvaD mI'wa'DIchmeyvaD yInIH yInob teHtaHvIS!
Damian -
Look at YAPC for inspiration
Yet Another Society(YAS) has put together the Yet Another Perl Conference for a couple of years now, which is low cost perl conference. It might be worth looking at what they have done with Perl and see if it could be applied to Apache.
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It's time to underwrite T13 membersMr. Gilmore suggests we join T13 as voting members, to protect our interests. This sounds great, but here it says that you've got to attend two meetings (held mostly in California and Colorado, with a few other venues thrown in), at least. It may also require USD800 (it's not clear to me that you must be a member of ITI to join T13).
In any case, it's not like joining, say, ICANN, to be done from the comfort of your keyboard.
So, I suspect we're not all going to run out and do it. But, we can support some folks we trust to do so. My first thoughts are to ask Mr. Gilmore and/or Bruce Perens, if IBM's left hand would let its right oppose these doings. Noise won't help here, but a combine in the form of that supporting Damian Conway's Perl work should be possible. Can one of our existing organizations (YAS or SPI [if there's still anyone home at at the latter]) pick up the banking effort?
For myself, I pledge to donate USD100 to such an organization for this purpose. Are there seven others willing to step up to the plate? If so, we've got a membership in hand.
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Actual URL for donation pledges
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URL for donations
If you want to contribute to the Damian fund, you can pay online with a credit card at:
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ActiveState--good for Perl... or not?Q: My understanding is that Microsoft is 'embracing' ActiveState's Perl. They will be shipping Perl with their "Services for UNIX 2.0". Do you see any chance for Perl to compete on a Windows Platform as a replacement for Visual Basic? In particular, as application "glue"?
LR: Why not? Perl is superior to Visual Basic in every way imaginable.
Maybe a push from Microsoft will help overcome the barrier of acceptability that I focused on above.
ActiveState's support of Perl has been increasingly bothering me other the last 12 months... am I just being paranoid?
ActiveState's work in bringing Perl to Win32, and supporting OLE effectively, has been a very important piece of work (and done very well to). But having achieved that, they now seem to moving towards the embrace, extend, extinguish paradigm that some might have noticed from a certain other company.
For instance:- Packages are distributed in PPM format, which as far as I can see are quite separated from the CPAN model which has been so effective for the Perl community
- The Perl Power Contest (sponsored by ActiveState) requires the use of ActivePerl, rather than encouraging generic Perl solutions
- With Gurusamy Sarathy (of ActiveState) looking after the Perl 5.6 release (and doing a great job, I might add), the 'official' binaries for both Win32 and Linux are now ActivePerl packages
- They are partnering with M$oft in many projects. This just makes me uneasy, given M$'s history.
- Scripts I write will run on almost any platform I come across, as long as I avoid direct system calls and avoid assumptions about file system structure
- I know that if a problem has been tackled in Perl, it's solution will be available on CPAN. And furthermore, I know that I can use the CPAN module to install it with just one command.
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Re:ConsAs it so happens, the unofficial Perl conference named yapc::America (Yet Another Perl Conference) costs $75 for three full days of talks and whatnot. The idea isn't to fleece people to death, but instead provide an interesting medium for discusssion about Perl.
A European YAPC (yapc::Europe) is also being planned, but as it'll be in London accomodation will cost way more than the conference fees
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Re:ConsAs it so happens, the unofficial Perl conference named yapc::America (Yet Another Perl Conference) costs $75 for three full days of talks and whatnot. The idea isn't to fleece people to death, but instead provide an interesting medium for discusssion about Perl.
A European YAPC (yapc::Europe) is also being planned, but as it'll be in London accomodation will cost way more than the conference fees
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