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An On/Off Switch for Genes

Jett wrote to us with a report on some of the latest work being done in genetic theory. Scientists have made progress in being able to turn genes on and off at will, which is a critical step towards creating systems that will do what you want to them. This "toggle switch" can be triggered by either a specific chemical or a thermal rise. Nanotechnology is an area of convergence here as well - you can imagine the need for the ability to turn off some of your living nanites when unneeded.

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  1. Tsk, tsk... by Brian+Kendig · · Score: 2
    Modifying genes to create a superbeing with enhanced telepathic and telekinetic abilities is madness! Haven't you watched the Pokemon movie?

    Oh wait.

    Um, neither have I.

  2. How are nanites any safer then bacteria? by Derek+Pomery · · Score: 2

    I've never understood why articles emphasize nanites as being safe and controllable. It seems to me nanites as self-replicating machines are just as susceptible to an evolutionary selection process as any other lifeform.

    Once we create nanites, presumably they will generate more nanites to cut down on cost, correct? And these nanites will produce more, right?

    In any manufacturing process, errors will creep in. Usually, the damaged articles are thrown out. This would probably happen to the majority of nanites produced. But what if one error (mutation) is lucky enough to be more effective at replication? What if it's an error in it's "off" switch? Wouldn't we have the same possibility for a nanite plague as a bacterial one? And this time, with no known enemies, and unlimited raw materials...

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  3. Re:Why do we have to do this? by ewhac · · Score: 2

    Why THE HELL would we want to change our genetic makeup?

    Because it may be the next step in our evolution.

    Some science fiction writers have speculated that, when a species becomes intelligent enough, messing with its own wetware is the next logical step. After all, it was a natural process of evolution that led to the species becoming intelligent enough to understand genetics at all; why should subsequent deliberate manipulation of those genetics be any less natural?

    And even if we take control of physical evolution, social evolution will carry on "naturally" much as it always has. Just a few hundred years ago, people thought slavery was fine, and that the Earth was flat and the center of the universe. We have evolved beyond it. We will evolve beyond this, as well.

    Yes, the possibility fills me with unease, just as did global thermonuclear destruction. It may take a generation or two, but I suspect we'll learn to cope fairly well with this new power we've unleashed upon ourselves.

    Schwab

  4. Re:Genetic variation by Windigo+The+Feral+(N · · Score: 2

    Crush dun said:

    Like Cheetahs for example? A highly evolved species, so evolved in fact that they have one of the lowest known genetic variations. I think that you are assuming that evolution is synonymous with best, which in your mind is synonymous with varied and able to respond to a variety of situations.

    Actually, the lack of genetic variability in cheetahs isn't so much because they're "perfectly designed" as because they are on the verge of extinction--populations of cheetahs have been reduced over the past few thousand years from millions in two species to a few thousand members who probably share something like fifty ancestors in common. (Cheetah populations, along with those of most other big cats, have crashed precipitously in the past 150-200 years or so.)

    In fact, there is a fair amount of worry whether cheetahs DO have enough genetic variability to keep from going extinct. As noted, it's estimated that the ENTIRE cheetah population, worldwide, may well have less than fifty ancestors in common. (Fifty basal ancestors is considered the base minimum for a mammal species to perpetuate itself--basically, as long as you have that much genetic variability you have "hybrid vigour". This guarantees, roughly, that if something Really Bad happens to the species like a fatal disease epidemic or a bad summer drought, at least a few members will survive to live on and the entire species won't go extinct.) There is real concern that if some disease fatal to cheetahs were to become widespread that there is not enough genetic variability to save the species; for that matter, there is worry of an increased rate of birth defects in the cheetah population (you do get increased rates of both birth defects and genetic disorders when animals get too inbred--that's why there are laws against marrying first cousins in many states, and why areas with a large amount of inbreeding (like isolated Appalachian or island communities, or Ashkenazi Jews who were isolated in ghettos) tend to have rare genetic diseases that are not common in the general population).

    If you want to see a really extreme idea of why not having enough genetic variability is a Bad Thing, look at Florida panthers (a subspecies of cougar that lives mostly in the Everglades). The total population has been reduced to around fifty or so individuals; many biologists do not think they have the genetic variability to survive as a subspecies any longer (especially since many of the panthers are also effected by "estrogen mimic" pesticides which have caused low sperm counts and feminisation in panthers). There is already evidence that inbreeding is affecting them negatively; many panthers are born with holes in their hearts and/or being born cryptorchid (one or no testicles descended), both of which are hereditary conditions in felids.

    This is, incidentially, why extensive family trees are kept of animals being bred as part of the Species Survival Plan...they don't want them to get TOO inbred, and they want to maintain a good amount of genetic variability (especially for those animal species planned for reintroduction to the wild, like black-footed ferrets and California condors). This is also why typically if the number of animals in a species reaches less than 100 they tend to capture all the animals for breeding...

    There IS one case where only around 150 individuals of a species survived and proceeded to repopulate the better part of a continent--that being American bison. (The herd had a great amount of genetic variability, which explains why bison aren't inbred to Hell and back like cheetahs or Florida panthers; the bison were INCREDIBLY lucky as a species to have the last herd have that much "hybrid vigour". The more religious of us might even say God/White Buffalo Calf Woman/Mom Nature/ must've been looking out for the bison ;)

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  5. Re:Useful? Could be... by Windigo+The+Feral+(N · · Score: 2

    Accipiter dun said:

    I'm no geneticist, but I think this would definitely be instrumental in preventing genetic disorders. Seriously. If this 'switch' is patched onto genes of a fetus before development, it could switch off any known genetic errors resulting in birth defects, deformities, etc. This could make genetic disorders rare. (save those disorders caused by UNknown errors.)

    I'd hope that they are careful about knowing which genes to turn off and on, then, as well as knowing which disorders this will work for and which it won't. ;)

    As a minor aside--for the vast majority of genetic diseases, this isn't going to do anything at all--the vast majority tend to be either "bugs" in creating proteins or other essential body factors that cause the rough equivalent of a kernel panic or BSoD, or "stuttering" in genes in which a gene is repeated far too many times (basically becoming stuck in the genetic programming equivalent of an infinite loop).

    For example, albinism is caused ultimately either by a gene that contains errors that cause the creation of tyrosine to "kernel panic", or by a gene that has errors that cause a buggy version of tyrosinase (the protein that converts tyrosine to melanin) to be produced that doesn't work. (I think all the computer programmers in the audience can appreciate that not everything that will compile properly in GCC will actually execute. This is what roughly happens with "tyrosinase-positive" albinism--the code for tyrosinase "compiles" properly (unlike in tyrosinase-negative albinism, where the code gives a "stop" because of an error) but it doesn't RUN right.) Both Huntington's chorea and Duchenne's muscular dystrophy are caused by repeats in genes that amplify across generations and add many extra copies of the gene (sometimes many, many extra copies--people with early-onset Huntington's can have as many as 500,000 extra copies of the gene).

    Where "on-off" gene therapy may be useful is in disorders involving both "regulator" oncogenes and in some disorders where it's thought environmental factors trigger Something Really Bad happening to a gene.

    For example, the oncogene "P-53"--if it's turned off or one is unlucky enough to get two bad copies of it--vastly increases one's chances of getting cancer. Most spontaneous cancers (even in folks who don't have bad copies of P-53--those who do have bad copies tend to show up with cancers very early in life, particularly retinoblastoma) also have P-53--which is thought to regulate cell division--turned off. This could be VERY useful in cancer therapies as a very specific form of gene therapy targeted directly at something that is specifically wonky in cancer cells (and in fact, some therapies for breast cancer are specifically taking that tack) to convert them to semi-normal cells.

    This could also be really good for people with genetic tendencies towards autoimmune diseases or genetic diseases involving overproduction of enzymes. For example, one could turn off whatever gene leads to autoimmune reactions in people who develop rheumatoid arthritis or insulin-dependent diabetes (both of which are autoimmune diseases thought to be triggered by viruses; there is now speculation that motor neuron disease ("Lou Gehrig's" or "Stephen Hawking's" disease, depending on your generation) is caused either directly by a virus or is an autoimmune reaction to a picornavirus (if memory serves)). Also, in those cases of type I diabetes ("middle-age onset type I diabetes") in which the islet cells tend to be literally worn out [many, if not most people, with this form of diabetes tend to go into hypoglycemia, then diabetes--often severe enough to require insulin] it'd be REALLY nice to switch off that gene calling for the initial overproduction of insulin... :)

    Unfortunately, I don't think it'll do much for Tay-Sachs, or any of the bad mitochondrial genetic diseases, or Prader-Willi, or maple-syrup urine disease, or any of the other really bad genetic diseases (mostly because these are the result of "programming bugs" that cause "fatal compile errors", or that cause "fatal runtime errors" in the proteins they code for, or that cause "infinite loop errors" that repeat a gene too many times, or which contain too many copies of a "library" which conflict with existing copies [chromosomal disorders--it's the repeats what cause most of them to be so bad as to be incompatible with life, and most of them besides Down's syndrome and the sex chromosomal trisomies/tetrasomies to be really bad for a kid in terms of longterm survival--those that survive tend to be mentally retarded and have all manner of health problems; you could also probably lump in disorders known to be affected on whether you inherit two copies of a gene from mom or dad in this [Angelman's Syndrome and Prader-Willi are like this--in one, two copies of the gene come from mom, the other, two copies of the gene come from dad]])...it MIGHT help in the cases where way too much of a protein is coded for, though. Perhaps the ultimate solution is that God really needs a debugger ;)

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  6. Re:Give me a break by Windigo+The+Feral+(N · · Score: 2

    Rhombic dun said:

    Dear God, scientists have discovered chemical-sensitive/temperature sensitive induction of gene expression! Oh NO! For crying out loud, temperature/chemical induction of gene expression has only been going on for twenty years or so.

    Actually, if you count the genetic engineering Mum Nature's been doing for the past four billion or so years, a lot longer than that. ;)

    Specifically, the "himalayan" or "pointed" genes that exist in most mammals (including, on rare occasion, humans) and most notably in Siamese cats are temperature-sensitive genes--specifically, there is a "bug" in the tyrosinase gene that only activates it at low temperatures. (Siamese kitties are born albino white at birth, and grow dark on the cooler parts of their body. If a cool pad is held against a Siamese kitten when they're starting to change colour (around four to six weeks of age), it can leave them with a dark spot where the cool pad was until their next good shed. Conversely, if the kitty is kept warm all the time, the kitty stays white.)

    Yes, the gene exists in humans too; temperature-sensitive albinism is known (if memory serves, it's considered a variant of tyrosinase- negative albinism), and the humans tend to be red-headed or darker on their head, have dark hair on their lower arms and legs, and white or very light hair everywhere else (yes, almost exactly like a Siamese cat, because it's the exact same gene that causes "pointing" in Siamese cats).

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  7. Re:Genetic variation by crush · · Score: 2

    The strength of evolved systems (mainly biological, but you can see it most easily in genetic programming) is that the huge mess of largely unreadable information is far more robust and flexible than a straightforward human-coded version.

    Like Cheetahs for example? A highly evolved species, so evolved in fact that they have one of the lowest known genetic variations. I think that you are assuming that evolution is synonymous with best, which in your mind is synonymous with varied and able to respond to a variety of situations.

    I really don't buy the genetic programming argument at all. It might work well for problems that have not been studied well and hence the problems and parameters are unknown, but given a clearly defined problem I'll go for human design any time.

    introoduce an evolved system to a slightly different problem or environment, even one it's never seen before, and it is far more likely to deal gracefully than a "programmed" system.

    I know this is reductio ad absurdum but here goes for some examples to disprove this statement:

    • putting humans or mars=landers on mars
      • putting a trained human and an un-trained human in charge of open-heart-surgery
      • getting a human or a computer to run Linux on it's hardware

        I think GP is interesting, potentially useful for suggesting strategies when we don't have a clue, or when we are optimizing in parameter spaces with unfeasibly large dimensionalities for standard statistical approaches to apply, but that's all. Engineered design rules!

  8. Re:Genetic variation by crush · · Score: 2

    This would only be a concern if they were introducing these promotors and repressors into the genes of germline cells,

    No, if the phenotype of the population is altered uniformly through somatic DNA by this technology then there may be too little variation left to cope with novel environmental threats. What if it turns out that we all need appendices to cope with a (presently) rarely occuring bacteria and we've eliminated it from all of the F0 generation?

    We get eliminated, we leave no offspring.

    On the other hand, if we changed the germ-line then it would only(!) affect the next generation - of course this would ultimately mean extinction for the race - but what the hell! If we were that stupid we deserved it.

  9. Genetic switches have been known for a while by scheme · · Score: 2

    The switches(promoters & repressors) are also called operons. Their existence and functions have been known since at least the mid 80s and possibly even earlier. The most well known system is the Lac operon in E. Coli which triggers the transcription and generation of a protein that allows the utilization of lactose when there is no glucose present and a sizable lactose concentration. It's been pretty well studied and understood for a while. Although the article doesn't mention, the researchers were probably able to reliably splice a gene into a system like this and probably did not create the operon from scratch.


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  10. Re:Useful? Could be... They're already there by scheme · · Score: 2
    Seriously. If this 'switch' is patched onto genes of a fetus before development, it could switch off any known genetic errors resulting in birth defects, deformities, etc. This could make genetic disorders rare.

    Actually switches like this are are already present. They let developing embyros regulate their own growth so that things like a brain develop only after a skull has formed. More importantly they let cells in the embyro figure out where they are so that they can become the right sort of cells. Errors in these are responsible for a lot of birth defects.

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  11. Re:Genetic variation by cave76 · · Score: 2

    This would only be a concern if they were introducing these promotors and repressors into the genes of germline cells, which, at least in this article, they are not talking about this being an application. They're only using this for altering specific tissues or in the development of artificial tissues.
    If they were to introduce these into germline cells such that it altered the total gene pool, there would be significant potential for diseases taking advantage of these, depending on the specificity of the sequences they use for whatever they are using as their trigger for the particular "switch".

    Mike

  12. slight misrepresentation by TheDullBlade · · Score: 2

    This says nothing about how to turn existing genes on and off, but rather how to design new ones that can be turned on and off.

    I wonder what restrictions this puts on the content of the genes...

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  13. A basic science use for this technology by The+Other+Dan · · Score: 2
    Most promoter/repressor sysems, particularly in eukaroytes (that is basicly everything but bacteria) are phenomenally complicated. Lots of very bright people work in this area, but for the most part, we have no idea how the various promoters and repressors of a gene act together to coordinate gene expression at different times. In fact, it was big news about two years ago when a group published a study ilucidating how the various promters and repressors actually worked, and in what combination, to produce certain effects on a specific gene.

    With such a complex system, doing basic biology is difficult. For example, if I want to study the role a specific protein plays in the development of an organism, I can mutate it and see what changes. But what if that kills the organism (say, a fruit fly) early in development? I will have no idea if that gene plays a role later in development. But lets say I can engineer a line of flies with this switch acting on the gene I want to study. I can keep that gene on early in development, but shut it off at later times, learning the role of that gene at various points.

    I'm not talking about sticking this into people for any reason (I'll let other people continue to bicker about that.) Despite the narrow vision of MSNBC and other popular media reporting on stories like this, I'll bet that the major impact of this advance won't be on any direct human advance, but will be in all the basic research it helps fuel.

  14. I'm scared, for your children... by Stickerboy · · Score: 2
    Let me see if I get what you're saying straight...

    • Playing God is something new, and limited to current genetic research.
    Uh, yeah. Next time you take a trip down to the grocery store, give a thank you to your ancestors who took the time to play God with wild plants and animals, breed and domesticate them, and thus cause the Agricultural Revolution. And don't think that just because it took a few centuries (i.e. the hard way) that it wasn't any less genetic tinkering than what scientific research is doing right now, using easier methods.

    • Perfection is bad.
    I would actually buy this argument, if I didn't already know that as an online user, you're fairly well-educated and well-off compared to the rest of the world. Go check out your local hospital, and find someone suffering from Parkinson's disease, or late-stage cancer, sit down with them and explain that because you're scared of change and potential harms you don't think they're worth the exploration of genetic research as a possible cure. Better yet, just wait until someone you love (your children, perhaps) is afflicted, and have a nice chat with them about abstract things like the future evolution of humanity.

    Get a grip, take your head out of the sand, and check to see how much technology has done to improve your life already. If you don't believe so, you can always take a long vacation in the Sudan or the slums of India to see what a grand life without the dangers of progress is like.
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  15. Re:This is all very cool and all, but ... by PurpleBob · · Score: 2

    And then, a superfly that can fly out the open half of a half-open window!
    ... There was a point to this comment, but it has temporarily escaped the poster's mind.
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  16. Re:Look at our responses... by Dinosaur+Neil · · Score: 2
    One the one hand, yes, there is a high potential for abuse. But that could be said of any new technology (think about how many times your life has been at risk because some chowderhead in the next lane is talking on his cell phone instead of driving). And futting around toggling genes on/off strikes me as being like toggling bits in an address register; you better be damn sure that you know exactly what that bit affects before trying it...

    On the other hand, is this something we can afford to ignore, or put on a shelf until we're more "responsible"? My grandmother has diabetes; if someone finds the "off" switch for this (or any other) genetic disorder, do we tell her, "Sorry Grammy, we could just give this one shot and fix you up, but theres's a risk of people changing their hair color so you'll just have to stick to the insulin."

    Just a thought...

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  17. A good book on the subject of genetic switches by SIGFPE · · Score: 2

    I'd like to recommend a book on the subject of genetic switches: "The Genetic Switch" by Mark Ptashne. It's one of the most wonderful little books I have read in my life. The whole book is on one subject - a switch in the genome of a lambda phage that determines whether it remains dormant or reproduces. The detailed mechanisms of this little switch are absolutely awesome. It has a beautiful feedback mechanism rather like a bistable transistor circuit. The book goes into a lot of detail but anyone vaguely technical should be able to understand it as it is a model of clarity. A good introduction to genetic switches for a geek. Disclaimer. I am not the author. I don't work for the publisher. I am not a book retailer. I just thought that it was a good book.

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  18. Me too :-) by jw3 · · Score: 2
    Each time I see something about genes / DNA / cloning on /. I have a bad feeling. Which usually gets worse after I've read the actual article.

    I think I know what the problem is: unless you are into a certain field, something like "scientists found now a way of switching genes on and off" sounds like a sensation, and "it seems that leptine plays an important role also in lizard metabolic regulation" does not - even though the first one is, roughly speaking, nothing but journalistic bullshit, and the second a real revelation.

    In spite of my miserable English knowledge I keep submitting to slashdot articles from Nature science update and some other sites that are providing good scientific information. Unfortunatelly, they do not sound as interesting and enthusiastic as what you can read about biology in "XXN news for housewifes".

    By the way, I work at ZMBH, Bujard, who developed the tet-system (which seems to work quite fine in many applications) also works here.

    Regards,

    January

  19. Re:Progress by belgin · · Score: 2
    Progress costs. I can't realy think of any scientific advance, especially in medicine, that didn't involve multiple deaths and mistakes.

    Yep. But if people are actively thinking about the costs in advance, the costs are smaller. Out of sheer desire to be annoying, I will point out the Y2K bug. It is not exactly the sort of thing we are talking about, but it makes a good metaphor. The costs were apparent because people were looking for them, and they were paid in a different fashion by having thousands of programmers work long hours rather than a catastrophic event. Had people not had the dangers inherent with it brought up, we might have truly had the catastrophe so many people feared.

    Hopefully in the future we'll have computers powerful enough to simulate what a certain drug will do if it is ever combined with other drugs and things like that, but for right now we've got to live with risks or we'll end up standing still...

    I don't really mean to indicate that we shouldn't have advances because we cannot fully understand their repercussions. That would indeed be standing still. I would like to suggest that people focus on what repercussions they would like to avoid, and focus more on those. That makes it less likely that those problems will occur. I was reacting to the unbridled enthusiasm and speculation of the first responses I read. I like enthusiasm, but not one person had written any comment indicating that they had thought of the potential dangers, so I did.

    The guy who invented refrigeration died doing it, would you rather he have lived and we never got it?

    No. I would have preferred that he took longer to get it and didn't die. I really mean to advise caution, not cessation.

    B. Elgin

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  20. Re:Look at our responses... by belgin · · Score: 2
    I understand your viewpoint, and and my point was that the frivolous uses like changing hair color are the dangerous ones. Serious research into something like diabetes should, of course, go ahead if the people are willing to take the proper precautions. You don't take a solution that works once and start applying it wholesale. Persons with serious illnesses should have the right to recieve a treatment if it is available.

    Half-arsed research into something that is not "life-threatening" and thus treated less carefully will cost more lives than the delay in getting out the diabetes cure that comes from increased detailed inspection of these advances.

    B. Elgin

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  21. Look at our responses... by belgin · · Score: 2
    and really think about them for a second. The initial responses to this level of technology are usually pretty frivolous. Changing skin and hair color? Unfortunately, these are the same responses that will eventually have a good chance of coming to pass.

    I cringe every time I hear about an advance like this, because I stop to think: "OK, how can this be misused." Genetic engineering is a touchy ground with me, because the potential good for humanity does not necessarily outweigh the potential harm. For every gene we create with imperfect knowledge, we permanently affect some portion of the species we are working on. This is why serious geneticists insist on attaching terminators to sterilize genetically engineered crops. We have no good idea of what they would do to the natural species in our ecosystem.

    Playing with our genes can be even worse. People will buy things they really don't want if it is sold well, and we are treading down the path towards that being our very genes.

    "The salesman said not to worry, I will only start poisoning myself if this and this and this happens. In that situation it will be good." But how thoroughly was this tested and how good is the understanding we have of the systems involved. "Ooops. We are issuing a recall on that gene because we found out seven years later that this other thing can turn it on and the person dies. Sorry."

    Unfortunately, this is not as far-fetched a scenario as we might wish it was. The on and off switch for genes is wonderful progress, but what will it end up costing?

    B. Elgin

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    1. Re:Look at our responses... by belgin · · Score: 2
      What will it end up costing? If we live in an unethical , immoral society which prizes other goals than human dignity and freedom, well then, probably those two latter will go by the board when a technology that can affect them that also happens to be profitable turns up. Change the system, don't kill the science!

      I don't really object to the science at all, I just worry about the side effects. The unfortunate factor is that a very large percentage of any society values dignity and freedom, but there is a smaller percentage that ignores it. Usually, these are people who have never been in any danger of losing either, and do not place much value on them as a result.

      My intent is to provoke thought about the potential dangers that come with scientific advances, rather than to try to prevent the coming of those advances. Usually, the good brought by advances such as these can be amazing, but if people only focus on the good and do not actively guard against the bad, you get quite a bit of the bad, too.

      B. Elgin

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    2. Re:Look at our responses... by crush · · Score: 4

      Disclaimer: I have not read the original article, merely the crappy MSNBC piece stuffed with "factoids". how thoroughly was this tested and how good is the understanding we have of the systems involved I would imagine that one of the benefits of this work is that it will allow investigation of complex phenotypes. Many phenotypes are controlled by several genes operating in weird regulatory networks. The ability to switch on and off bits of this network merely by dumping in chemicals would be great. A different specific switch for each gene in the network. What happens when gene 1 is on and 2,3,4 are off etc. So, this could allow us to understand better what is happening with developmental defects, homeostatic defects etc What will it end up costing? If we live in an unethical , immoral society which prizes other goals than human dignity and freedom, well then, probably those two latter will go by the board when a technology that can affect them that also happens to be profitable turns up.Change the system, don't kill the science!

  22. Sounds like a job for moderation! by re-geeked · · Score: 2

    Is there some way that expertise in particular areas could be cultivated/rewarded better on Slashdot?

    Ideas:

    Topic-specific karma: points granted for posts in a particular topic go to your topic-specific karma, perhaps yielding:

    A posting bonus whenever posting in that topic,

    Moderation and meta-moderation opportunities specific to the topic,

    Due consideration to submissions on that topic,

    Pre-publication editorial/review opportunities relating to that topic.

    Other ideas:

    Recruit more paid article posters and editors with topic expertise, now that Slashdot is awash in IPO cash :-)

    "Instant karma" (I'm sure you've never heard _that_ before) to some folks credentialled in a certain topic.

    Moderation guidelines or choices such as "inaccurate" for topic-expert moderators (this one's getting a little dicier, and I'd hate to see "stupid" questions cost karma)

    "Article alerts" that get emailed to those wanting them for a specific topic. This would allow those of us with lives to only hit Slashdot when something cool comes along, and would let informative comments be heard before the topic gets old.

    Anyway, you get the drift: is there a way to highlight/ascertain/reward expertise? If well done, it could really boost the level of discussion.

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  23. Re:Genetic variation by bjrubble · · Score: 2

    I think if you promoted enough of this kind of behavior in genetic systems, you would end up with something much less robust. The strength of evolved systems (mainly biological, but you can see it most easily in genetic programming) is that the huge mess of largely unreadable information is far more robust and flexible than a straightforward human-coded version. Introduce an evolved system to a slightly different problem or environment, even one it's never seen before, and it is far more likely to deal gracefully than a "programmed" system.

  24. Why do we have to do this? by r-jae · · Score: 2

    I can't believe that some people are actually considering this to be useful. I am having even more trouble comprehending the fact that people think that these advances are actually a GOOD thing (advances probably isn't the best word).

    Why? Why must we play god or whatever you think made us in the first place? My argument is simple. It's not complicated. I haven't included any statistics or quoted any scientists. I might sound ignorant, but I just want to rule that out. I'm not ignorant just because I have a simple argument.

    Do we really want to play around with our lives any longer? I mean, we've completely ruined our natural environment and wiped out countless species of animals. Do we want to wipe out ourselves as well?

    Why THE HELL would we want to change our genetic makeup?

    Some of the arguments for this type of research are:
    1) We could cure some types of congenital disease. But do we really want to? As cruel as it may sound, what would happen if everyone on Earth died of old age? The picture in my head is that our already over-populated planet will be unable to sustain the sheer amount of it's inhabitants. But neither me, nor you, nor anybody on this Earth knows.
    2) We could use the research to improve our lives. Create a perfect human. Why on Earth would we want to do that? Could we imagine a planet where everyone looks beautiful. Or even worse, with cloning, alot of people look EXACTLY the same? Do we really know what we're messing with here. Human character and individuality would dissapear. The world would become a very boring place.

    Forget I said all that. Forget that I'm trying to change people's minds about this nonsense. Just remember one thing. I'm scared. Scared for my children, for my grandchildren, my friends and family. That's all.

  25. Changing skin colors. by Glytch · · Score: 3

    The dream of obsessed anime fanboys everywhere. I wonder if this would also work for hair?

  26. Genes by Signal+11 · · Score: 3
    Yes, but the question is, do we want to?

    Really now, tampering with biological genes which have withstood thousands of years of evolution may destroy large sections of our world. It's no joke - imagine if they "switched off" the gene that makes us violent. We'd be completely defenseless - we wouldn't respond to violence, and hence the few genetic mutants that emerged would quickly dominate. Oh joy. How about this - make everybody intelligent. That's not such a bright idea either. With intelligence comes and increased desire to alter existing social structures. Get enough entropy stirred into the pool and the whole thing collapses into anarchy.

    How many "good ideas" are out there by well-intentioned people? How about we turn everybody into "super" humans with fast reflexes, strong muscles, and longevity? Sure.. that'll only spawn a deep chasm between the genetic haves and the have-nots and might very well spark a war.

    There are very serious and very dire decisions to be made with such technology. I hardly think such decisions belong in the hands of people making these decisions. We simply are not at the point socially or otherwise to start tinkering with human genetics. Understanding is one thing, modification is quite another!

  27. Gilligan by SheldonYoung · · Score: 3

    Press release
    Subject: Gilligan Nanite Processor
    Release Day: Jan 19, 2004

    After a long period of secrecy TransMetaTag Corp. finally announced the new Gilligan processor.

    The new revolutionary processor uses nanites as it's core, translating Itanium instructions on the fly through a process known as "Gene Morphing". The nanites reorder and translate the instructions by pushing electrons through the right Gates at amazing speed.

    "It was a breakthrough in nanotechnology that made this new design possible", says Linus Torvald Jr., "without the ability to turn them off, we could have never achieved our amazingly low power requirements".

    Hemos could not be reached for comment.

  28. The book on DNA Computing by Esperandi · · Score: 3

    Here's the info:
    DNA Computing : New Computing Paradigms (Texts in Theoretical Computer Science)
    by Gheorghe Paun, Grzegorz Rozenberg, Arto Salomaa, W. Brauer (Editor)

    A few people emailed me asking about this book, I figure this is a good time to post it for all to see... its a very good book and after reading it you'll realize this is a really nifty thing for DNA-based computers.

    Oh, and NO DNA knowledge is needed to read this book, I knew bothing going in, now I feel like I could do the stuff in my basement if I knew how to get DNA out of a living cell or how to synthesize it...

    Esperandi

  29. We need a rheostat, not a switch by jbuhler · · Score: 4

    Inducible expression systems for research use have been around for a while. Judging by the MSNBC article, this is one is novel because, once induced, it stays induced.

    However, it's not really correct to think of (most) genes as being "on" or "off"; they are transcribed at a variable level depending on the local concentrations of one or several promoter proteins. The analog networks formed from these elements exhibit a variety of interesting nonlinear behaviors (of which switching is just one example) which help ensure that, for example, your cells divide at a rate just fast enough to replace their dying neighbors and maybe grow your body a bit -- but no faster.

    We need to perturb these networks in order to understand them, but knocking out a gene or overexpressing it 1000-fold is like using a nuclear blast to twiddle the current in a sensitive circuit. Our lack of fine control over gene induction is one reason that dissecting gene networks is so hard.

    Of course, there are other problems: biological control happens at the RNA [1] and protein [2] levels, not just the gene transcription level. We've got considerably better tech [3] for observing gene transcription than for watching proteins, but it's the proteins (especially the ones that bind to transcriptional promoters) that do the real work. Also, our analytical toolkit for network identification works great for linear systems but isn't so hot in the presence of nonlinearities and feedback.

    For more information on how to analyze biological networks, see e.g. the proceedings of the latest Pacific Symposium on Biocomputing at

    http://www-smi.stanford.edu/projects/helix/psb-o nline/

    [1] RNA levels can be controlled not just by tweaking the transcription rate but also through selectively degrading mRNA's and by alternative splicing-out of introns to produce different transcripts.

    [2] Proteins can be translated from mRNA and later degraded at variable rates. More importantly for fast responses, they can turn each other on and off through kinase activity (e.g. by adding and removing phosphate groups from particular sites in the protein).

    [3] The latest and greatest tech for measuring gene transcription is the cDNA or oligonucleotide microarray. For example, see the GeneChip at www.affymetrix.com. Please don't ask me how quantitatively reliable these methods are -- the answer would only depress you :-).

  30. This occurs naturally by aswang · · Score: 4
    The theory is pretty old. Some of it was fleshed out as early as the '30s and '40s. These genetic switches are how genes are commonly regulated in biological systems. A textbook example of this is the lambda phage, a virus that infects bacteria, where the cI and the cro gene products act antagonistically, and an external stimulus determines which one wins out, and whether the virus stays in the bacterial chromosome, or whether it decides to leave (killing the bacterium in the process) A lot of the development of vertebrates is regulated in a similar (though at times more complicated) fashion.

    I suppose the breakthrough lies in the ability to synthesize a genetic switch in vitro. As sensors, they will be a lot less invasive than mechanical and electronic sensors. But their implementation still faces the same barriers common to all gene therapy: delivery systems and persistence. We have yet to perfect a method for stably integrating a synthetic chromosome into a eukaryotic cell, and transfection of small pieces of DNA is usually temporary because they will rarely integrate with the genome.

    In terms of revolutionizing genetic engineering, if we do figure out how to insert such a switch into a pre-existing gene, we'll only be able to solve autosomal dominant disorders, and only the ones that are due to dominant negative effects, like some forms of osteogenesis imperfecta, where a bad copy ruins the good copy too. Other autosomal dominant disorders are due to haploinsufficiency, meaning that one good copy isn't enough for the job, so turning off the bad gene won't help. Autosomal recessive and sex-linked disorders cause problems because there are no good gene products, so turning off genes won't really help, and there isn't anything to turn on. In any case, if we were to understand such a gene well enough that we could confidently install a switch, it would just be easier to replace the bad gene with a good copy than inserting the switch.

    It would be interesting to construct a computer from genetic switches, however. Such a switch wouldn't have to only represent 0 and 1.

  31. I am a Molecular Biologist... by Foamy · · Score: 5

    and I can tell you that this story is not in any way 'new' news. Maybe the nano blurb is a new idea for this technology, but the idea of turning on and off engineered genes at you're discretion is not.

    The system they are referring to is known as a tetracycline responsive promoter. A commercially kits for this purpose are available here.

    Having used the system, I can tell you it does not work very well. A better system is located here and an even newer system here. I rarely post here, but I have noticed that most of the pieces on biologically related topics that make it on /. are not well researched on the poster's part. When I think about it, the majority of news and pseudonews sites on the web and in the traditional media fail miserably when producing stories about science in general and particulary regarding biology.

    Yo