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Young Irish Scientists Win Award for Linux Project
Trevor Johnston writes "Last week, three Irish students used a Linux box together with an old Basic programming language running on an Amiga emulator to display graphically the output of their own computer learning program. For their troubles they were awarded 'Best Use of Information Technology' at Ireland's Young Scientist Exhibition."
It is just delightful to see this, graphics done in Amiga Blitz Basic, emulated under linux. What will they think of next? Alekzandr
Amiga users would claim this is proof that the Amiga is still alive and kicking :)
Why thankyou :)
(I posted #3)
Also, I noticed that the guy who submitted the article to slashdot was one of the winners.
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The award they were given has almost nothing to do with the tech. they presented. From their description, the whole contest sounds somewhat bland and menial.
The only interesting thing is the fact that they wrote it for Amiga, though they really didnt have to use it. They said that the only reason Amiga was used was because the programmer had experience in that area, not because Amiga was much better for what they were doing.
Also, the Linux program was written using C++.
"A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep." --Saul Belloe
Ofcourse, one must consider the fact that it's probably a greater achievment if they actually DID do it drunk. Hell, I don't think I could get past "Hello World!" after 6 beers!
To save a lot of /. readers the trouble, I'll now post a summary of the the next 42 messages:
I was doing that with linux before I was 4 years old! (See related story)
As a teen myself, I have been to these kinds of Science Compititions (Timmins, my hometown, hosted the Canadian wide science compitition for high-school students last year). I find it disgusting when some kids actually fool their way up to the top by actually using other people's innovations. I once seen this kid that used a 3d modeller in windows, and recreated his hometown, claiming it to be some sort of "Virtual Map", that's about it. Nothing new there, sure, it looks cool, and the judges will gawk and of course they win the prize, ech, disgraceful to the informed community at large.
Anyhow, I really like the fact that these kids actually took their time and interest to develop something that although may seem a little redundant, they actually learn something useful and bring some perticular incite to others.
Keep it Up! :)
if nothing else.
and it beats rob pretending to be Keanau Reaves in the Matrix (or maybe Regis Philbin on HWTBAM?)
Awarded what? "To Award" is a transitive verb, and thus requires an object. One doesn't just award, or even award to. One awards something to someone. Why do I bore myself with such pedantry? Because Slashdot is becoming so dull and jejune that there's not much else to comment on. So let's all pick on Slashdot's never-took-a-writing-class style. And then wonder what site will replace Slashdot? Ars Technica?
at least that's what hemos tells me. were going to hawaii to get married, so look for more pics of the slashdorks soon.
And what's this about "stolen code"? If the /. crew writes the code, it's theirs, plain and simple. If they want to release a version of it to other people under the GPL, that's their choice, and they're doing a service to the community, since THEY ARE UNDER NO OBLIGATION to do jack shit, period.
Mild-mannered millionaire playboy by day, Anonymous Coward by night...
You know it does help your "aparent IQ" to actually remember that its /. (slash-dot) not dot-slash. Maybe your actuall iq is to low to realise it but ohh well its worth a shot....
It seems like they based their choice of OS on the fact that one guy used it, and they had a free C++ compiler for it. So what? There are free C++ compilers for Windows, DOS, OS/2, pretty much anything, even if it is just a GCC port.
And what's the deal with the Amiga emulator? Why not learn how to use GTK? It's not that hard, and is much more impressive, not to mention easier, than hacking a bunch of Amiga and Linux programs together.
I really can't see how this was posted. Great for the kids and all, but really content-light.
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No you didn't. I did.
So these students have developed a rudimentary adaptive processing algorithm ... great! As a participant in science fairs all through middle and high school, I can say two things about them right away -- on the whole, little original actually gets done, but the mere experience of performing experimental research in what passes for a peer-review environment has produced quite a few outstanding student (and later, professional) scientists. Moreover, at each science fair, I invariably made an assortment of contacts that later proved important to my future career as a student and researcher.
So, anyway, don't knock them for reproducing ancient and well-studied algorithms. Instead, encourage them for trying to develop something at all, and hope they continue to do so.
Quantum mechanics: the dreams that stuff is made of.
Boy, I wish that some people would REALIZE that when they're ranting about someone's APPARENT IQ, and making errors left and right, that they are ACTUALLY the one that is TOO stupid...
Just a thought.
or we'll knock your yankee lights out! J/K.
C'mon down and we'll have a pint o' Guiness or two (or more likely 7)
$HUT UPOP!!!
IT IS PeoPlE EOEIE EEOIJ WHOA QUITE PerANKLY, REALLT CAUSE ME TO GUJET GET FUCJESD AFGAUIN ANND AGAINF@!!!!
It has two methods with which to complete the task and by running a certain amount of games, the computer can work out which is the better method to use.
This is actually the 2 armed bandit problem: you have a 2 armed jack pot machine, and everytime you pull an arm, it gives a certain payoff, but the payoff is probalistic. So do you keep pulling the arm that has the higher average payoff? Or do you try the other arm? It's a tradeoff between exploitation and exploration, and the solution is surprisingly mathematically involved (see Gasoml by Goldberg).
John Holland showed in the 70s that the genetic algorithm is a near optimal solution to this problem. So in a simple way, these students have rediscovered the essential issues of genetic algorithms.
You did not get third post.
You were not even close.
You should not be so quick to boast
when you were not even close.
I code on Jack Daniels all the time. Maybe sometime I'll learn to write a program that works. Gee, if I use their software I'd learn faster that my method sucks.
-Chris
piss drunk is the ONLY way to code x86 asm.
What Slashdot failed to mention (And this is a BIG surprise) is that these Irish kiddiez ARE NOT IN FACT IRISH!
A quick look at the "Trevor Johnston" reveals that he is, in fact, a RECENT CUBAN IMMIGRANT. What does this mean? I think we all know that you can't immigrate from Cuba. So, you ask yourself, what does that mean? Well, it means, fair reader, that he was sent to Ireland by the CUBAN GOVERNMENT.
And, why, pray tell, would Castro want people in Ireland? Upon reflection, even the biggest simpleton will find the truth (though it apparently eludes emmett, whose left-wing leanings are well-known): that the commies are hatching a plot to DOMINATE SCIENCE FAIRS AROUND THE GLOBE!
Think about it: if only communists win science fairs, then only science fair winners will be communists. With every Part member being prize-winning scientists, the risk that the Reds will dominate the world grows far too strong, certainly for my tastes.
In conclusion, I am deeply saddend to see Slashdot, once a proud Republican news site reduced to printing Commie propaganda. I hope this 'emmett' character will get what he deserves for such un-American activities: forced labor in the salt mines of Utah, with all the other pinkos, like that horrid RobLimo character.
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I write code piss drunk all the time. (read: I've finished the sixer of stout and I've moved on to rum.) The problem seems to be the next morning, when I have to look at the uncommented lump of spaghetti who's purpose I only half-remember.
As a whole, 1/8 of the stuff I produce greatly exceeds my sober level; it is perfectly brilliant. 1/4 of it is marginally competent, my norm. The rest of it is not fit for the light of the CRT, and may be only slightly more intellegible than Vogon poetry fed through Babelfish.
Brilliant or not, I usually just 'rm -rf *' it; I never have the same grasp of it again.
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Ten years ago, you'd have needed to be in a university to get the resources to tinker with that kind of project. Now it's in high school science projects. That's got to be progress...
I think this story is a fine example of what a benefit Open Source can be for Computer Science education.
Lemme guess, you did that to increase your hacker purity test score?
I did, as well. Actually, you get another point for attempting to increase the score.
Ah, those high school days...
Programming is great craic when you're stoned.
Very slow but very sure.
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This doesn't tell anything about Linux because: 1. The other IT projects were apparently very crappy. 2. Because their program can use a simple method to choose between 2 alternatives, they conclude that extreme AI is a sure thing. 3. They chose C++ over symbolic languages for their `AI' program because that's what they knew, instead of doing the right thing, which was learning how to use the appropriate tool. They conclude C++ `proved itself'. Well, the only thing that was proved is that the algorithm was simple enough so that you could get by with C++. But their program doesn't scale. If you need to start adding a lot of fancy reasoning, C++ is a catastrophic choice (even if you're just porting an application already written in a symbolic language, not R&Ding it). 3. Nitpick: I doubt Amiga BASIC is the best for some quick simple 2D graphics. I think LOGO should still be it. And it's portable w/o requiring an emulator.
så äre!
Of course, The Diamond Age also featured evolutionary design - the nanites, remember?
Can tell you're a Merkin, since you think that 6 beers is enough to get pissed on, and this on top of the fact that American beer is similar to making love in a canoe. :-)
But enough about me, I would guess that about one in every 5 computer related projects at the competition currently makes use of Linux. I don't see what makes this one so special.
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I once mounted a Linux flopyy drive, shared it out through NFS. Mounted it on another Linux machine, created a swap file on the floppy and started using it. Extream distributed computing, eh? But nobody awarded me. But it was fun to see how floppy started rolling when I run X and all other memory consuming apps. This was 5-6 years ago, on a 486 PC with 4MB of RAM :)
Well it impresses me that they were able to do it... but since everyone else on /. seems to think they could program it with their hands in their ass, I guess I'm just on the lower level of slashdot users. *feels his IQ drop 50%* *and feels his self-confidence drop 75%* :P
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Is making love in a canoe good or bad? I'm picturing it being good... I shall speak of this to mygirlfriend. (Sorry for the off topic post, but the pictures of Natile Portman that was posted in Chris' wedding are still making me horn-nay) :P hehehehe
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I'm surprised that no one else has commented on this yet. Here we go.
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Trying to use Prolog for this would have been a bad, bad idea. Prolog is for logic programming, which is great for theorem provers and any other such problem which depends on logical relations between a bunch of data, but entirely unappropriate for a graphical real-time game. Especially considering that the amount of AI involved in this problem was very small. Especially considering that graphical games require languages appropriate for graphical programming, and Prolog was definitely not designed with graphics in mind.
Now Lisp, on the other hand, would have been appropriate. There is a good reason why it is the language of choice for AI work, after all: it's easy to model most problems using Lisp. In fact, I'm developing a General Game Data Model (GGDM) for Scheme (on RiceU's DrScheme environment, which provides just about everything you can ask for - easy graphical programming, a simple network model, good multithreading support and a lot more), a simple extensible class library indented to turn all of these kind of problems into a simple matter of defining a few objects with behaviour defined on the fly. Anyone interested can email me.
As for C++... well, I can only guess what a mess the code wound up looking like. Maybe the boys care to open the source?
To the editors: your English is as bad as your Perl. Please go back to grade school.
(it's meant to be funny, not flamebait)
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American beer is like making love in a canoe.
They're both fucking close to water.
Fortunately American beers are no longer watered down.
Cheers
ummmm... i'm not the one who's been calling for the release of the slashdot source code. i'm not all that concerned about it.
my concern is the open sourcing of hot young actresses and that's pretty much where it ends for me!
About the VT (and slowly drifting off topic) - there actually were "non-Amiga" versions sold. In high school one of the Mac [people] came to be and started gloating that the Toaster had been released for the Mac. I told him it was impossible. He showed me a picture and said, "Oh yeah? Then what's that big ugly box sitting next Mac there?" "Easy - an Amiga! The Toaster's an expansion card..." :-) There was even a stand-alone version sold - once again, a disguised Amiga CPU.
-AC
And now for the brickbats to some of the posters I've seen here:
Again, my hat's off to these people, and I hope to see more from them in the future!
Strike while the irony is hot! -- The Freethinker
Cool, they used Blitz Basic in UAE.
I bought BB2 for my Amiga 500Plus years ago, and I have to say that it's definitely one of my all-time favorite programming languages & environments.
Super-fast compiled programs, inline assembler, pointers, etc...
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